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Trump v. Hitler

Oh trust me, I have no problem making decisions.

of course you do!! you cant decide between freedom and govt so dumbly sit in the middle all confused by opposites . There have been 1000 political ideas in human history. Is it just coincidental that you ended up between Democrats and Republicans, the current ideas in this country?? You would have been equally confused in 3rd century Rome stuck there too between whatever you were told were the two dominant ideologies then.
 
but Mussolini is a better match.

Backwards of course. HItler and Mussolini were twins in support of big govt, while Trump, the exact opposite, is cutting taxes and regulation to cut govt.

Obama was a good twin to Hitler and MUssoloni since all 3 believed in ever growing magical govt. IN this case NIcky imagines that he can leech off liberal big govt to pay his bills!!
 
Backwards of course. HItler and Mussolini were twins in support of big govt, while Trump, the exact opposite, is cutting taxes and regulation to cut govt.

Obama was a good twin to Hitler and MUssoloni since all 3 believed in ever growing magical govt. IN this case NIcky imagines that he can leech off liberal big govt to pay his bills!!

I was speaking of the style and the actions of dictators. Obama didn't endorse torture worse than waterboarding. That's big government. Obama did not suggest murdering families of terrorists, he deported plenty of illegal immigrants without insulting them as rapists, did not say that most killers of whites were blacks, and he and Bush before him spoke respectfully of Muslims even as they fought Islamic terrorism. Obama did not speak of infestations of darker people threatening us, hardly a call for a smaller government. Obama did not say the country was filled with carnage even as crime was declining. He did not harken back to a greater America of segregation. He did not insult allies and express admiration for dictators; he did not say incredibly stupid things like climate change was a hoax invented by China. (Then, again he may be right: perhaps wind turbines do cause cancer. After all Trump did point out that "some say" they do, a variation of his usual BS that "a lot of people are staying...")

And leech? We all do. Even you, I suppose. Or do you pave your own interstate highways? FYI, lots of people complain about big government while accepting its benefits. One of our favorite indoor political sports. Eisenhower took grief for not trying to repeal the New Deal, and warned about the military industrial complex. Opposite of Trump. Smart man. Trump will grow the military with weapons it does not need and cut food stamps. If you like THAT form of big government, fine. Most people don't.
 
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conservative groups like Focus on Family and Family Research Council support Trump. While he's far from perfect he infinitely superior to liberals who openly attack love and family. Now that you have learned this are you a conservative too??

Yeah hyper partisan hack groups proving they are nothing but hacks means squat
 
not at all, would much rather have Jefferson or Reagan as our standard bearer than Trump, but Trump is far better than the socialist liberals who have killed 120 million so far. Simple enough for a liberal to understand? Also, Trump might be the best of all time if only because he has flushed the liberals out of the closet as the communists they really have been all along. Who else did that?

Stop showing you lack any knowledge of history We get it you are a hyper partisan hack who embraces a liberal president ONLY because he has an R after his name
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If so why so afraid to present even one example of a conservative running from a debate??? What did you learn from your fear??

Even one huh? How about this one?

President Harry Truman on Socialism

Fletch was totally unable to defend his claim that Truman was a "war criminal" and fled instead.

What do you learn from your failure?
 
Fletch was totally unable to defend his claim that Truman was a "war criminal" and fled instead.

no idea who fletch is or what he said or even if he was speaking as a conservative. Do you understand??
 
no idea who fletch is or what he said or even if he was speaking as a conservative. Do you understand??

Yes, I understand that you are clueless. Try doing basic research and get back to me.
 
Yes, I understand that you are clueless. Try doing basic research and get back to me.


no idea who fletch is, where he wrote , what he said or even if he was speaking as a conservative. Do you understand how utterly meaningless your comment was??
 
He doesnt

He is typical of those I tend to ignore 99% of the time. It is just that instead of being on the Unhinged Left, he is on the Unhinged Right.

And this is obvious because apparently to him, everybody that does not share his degree of extreme views is automatically either an uninformed idiot, or the enemy.

Watching his statements is literally like watching the third Star Wars movie.
 
*Looks at thread title/
<s>Oh, well this should be fine</s>
 
The best Trump to Hitler example is calling anti-fascists terrorism.

If you think Trump is anything like Hitler, you have to be historically illiterate. Trump did not take away the rights of anyone, did not concentrate all powers in his own hands, did not jail or murder his political opponents, and he didn't build concentration camps to be filled with his political adversaries and other groups he presumably disdains per your narrative. People in Auschwitz could not leave Auschwitz. They were not free and their lives were absolutely threatened. People in ICE facilities can ask to just leave the country and their lives are not threatened. In WWII France, under the Vichy regime, if you talked against Nazis and tried to fight their policies, you ran the risk of getting tortured and executed without trial. In the contemporary US, if you talk against Trump or try to fight his policies, you get an Op-Ed in the New York Times. You don't need guts to oppose Donald Trump and call him a fascist. It's cheap, childish rhetoric.

It is also an abhorrent insult to all Jews that anyone would dare compare the US today to Europe under Nazis during WWII, or Trump to Hitler. Stop cheapening the meaning of horrors like Nazism, concentration camps, or Hitler by applying them to people you dislike in an extreme form of senseless hyperbole. If you ever have the unfortunate opportunity to meet with an actual Nazi, you will lack the words to describe what you see. Nobody will react because you cried about there being a wolf for a 100 times when there was no wolf to be found.


Stop making me defend Trump. I don't like him.
 
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So you love Trump a guy who represents pretty much everything conservatives hate, infidelity, divorce, lack of ethics, massive state spending (...).

Many people who voted for Trump could be more accurately described by saying they voted against Clinton.
 
Many people who voted for Trump could be more accurately described by saying they voted against Clinton.

True but I wasn't talking about all Trump voters, I was talking about James
 
True but I wasn't talking about all Trump voters, I was talking about James.

It's part of the rituals on this website, that you will run into statements about liberal fear followed by elementary arithmetics. I've taken issue with it multiple times with only limited success. It is especially odd when he merges liberalism and communism into a single word, even against the rather unusual usage of the concept of liberalism in contemporary US politics.
 
It's part of the rituals on this website, that you will run into statements about liberal fear followed by elementary arithmetics. I've taken issue with it multiple times with only limited success. It is especially odd when he merges liberalism and communism into a single word, even against the rather unusual usage of the concept of liberalism in contemporary US politics.

James is binary there are only 2 options
Right wing, conservativism, republican which equals good or liberal, socialism, communism (which all mean the same thing in his world view), democrat which equals bad.
He has shown that the most import thing is the republican or democrat because in his binary non thinking world that automatically means all the other things.

Hyper partisanship is a scourge on democracy but considering the syntax in his early posts (which has greatly improved with practice) I seriously doubt he lives in a democratic society
 
Hitler was arguably more efficient. He also had a vision for his country [however abhorrent] whereas Trump has no vision at all. Otherwise, their hearts are just as black.

Spewing nonsensical insults day in and day out is quite different from plunging the world into a massive war, stripping millions of people of their rights and orchestrating a genocide. At his worst, Donald Trump hurt the feelings of some people. At his worst, Hitler slaughtered millions not even counting the actual combats. Even if you slept through your history courses, you would know that. You're cheapening historical horrors for political expediency and that is disgusting. How dare you insult the memories of all the victims of those events and compare their suffering to people getting angry over Twitter? What is next? You're going to compare your "side" with the French resistance? In 1942, saying you want to assassinate Hitler and help people escape the Gestapo means you risked life and limb to stop real evil. Saying "Orange man bad" in 2019 doesn't take any guts. Childish cries over a lost election will get you an Op-ed in the New York times, not an execution without trial in the back alleys of Paris. People you dislike win elections sometimes. Grow up.

Stop making me defend Trump. I hate to do that.
 
no idea who fletch is, where he wrote , what he said or even if he was speaking as a conservative. Do you understand how utterly meaningless your comment was??

Yes, again you repeat that you are totally clueless, and too lazy even to click on a link. Do you understand how pathetic that makes you look?
 
Spewing nonsensical insults day in and day out is quite different from plunging the world into a massive war, stripping millions of people of their rights and orchestrating a genocide.

Actually, it is that kind of nonsense that has pretty much caused me to turn my back on the Democratic Party.

Most telling was a few months ago when I decided to research a claim somebody had made that "all Republicans were racists". So out of curiosity, I started looking back at every Republican Candidate for President. Trump, Romney, McCain, I just kept going back further and further and further.

And what I found was rather disturbing. In the case of every single Republican going back to Gerald Ford, the Democrats accused them of being a racist.

Every. Single. One.

And probably the only reason they did not try that against President Ford was because he was well known to have taken part in a protest when he was in College over another school refusing to play with one of his teammates on the field. A teammate who was black. Mr. Ford threatened to quit the football team over that.

That means that for almost 40 years, they have been calling their opponents racist. That simply showed me how little such things actually meant, it was all bullcrap politics and nothing more. Especially when a few years later after he announced he was dying and rather spectacularly spoke out frequently against President Trump the Democrats practically canonized John McCain as the Patron Saint of Politics.

The very man that a few years earlier had been a rabid racist that should never have been in politics in the first place.

Naw, it is that very dishonesty that made me turn my back on them. Kind of like the boy who cried wolf, I find they have zero credibility. Which is sad, because there are many candidates in that party I have liked, but when they start in with the "Republicans are Racists" chanting, I am very quickly done with them.

And yea, they also pretty much compare every Republican that becomes President to Hitler. Is sadly predictable.
 
Spewing nonsensical insults day in and day out is quite different from plunging the world into a massive war, stripping millions of people of their rights and orchestrating a genocide. At his worst, Donald Trump hurt the feelings of some people. At his worst, Hitler slaughtered millions not even counting the actual combats. Even if you slept through your history courses, you would know that. You're cheapening historical horrors for political expediency and that is disgusting. How dare you insult the memories of all the victims of those events and compare their suffering to people getting angry over Twitter? What is next? You're going to compare your "side" with the French resistance? In 1942, saying you want to assassinate Hitler and help people escape the Gestapo means you risked life and limb to stop real evil. Saying "Orange man bad" in 2019 doesn't take any guts. Childish cries over a lost election will get you an Op-ed in the New York times, not an execution without trial in the back alleys of Paris. People you dislike win elections sometimes. Grow up.

Stop making me defend Trump. I hate to do that.

No one with a shred of integrity should be defending Trump. Period.
 
No one with a shred of integrity should be defending Trump. Period.

No one with a shred of integrity would be comparing insults on Twitter to Nazi policies. It's in fact because I actually have some integrity that I call out bull****, even when it is not politically convenient.
 
Naw, it is that very dishonesty that made me turn my back on them. Kind of like the boy who cried wolf, I find they have zero credibility. Which is sad, because there are many candidates in that party I have liked, but when they start in with the "Republicans are Racists" chanting, I am very quickly done with them.

Many establishment Democrats stopped listening to people around them, especially people who might genuinely disagree with them on some issues. The only thing they seem to know is how to circumvent the need to address an opinion by saying or insinuating it is the kind of opinion only deeply evil or contemptible people would hold. You know, they do what any sane person would do if they got caught pants down without a solid argument.

Sanders and Warren got caught pants down during the last debate. As soon as they get asked real questions, they say it's a "Republican talking point" and refuse to answer. It's really something to watch top Democrats, seasoned politicians, being able to provide meaningful answers when confronted with the kind of issue Republicans will not fault to bring up later down the road. Harris also got cornered by Gabbard. That was actually glorious to watch. Harris has this holier-than-thou attitude. Even her reaction reeks with arrogance: she never thought it worthwhile to explain her actions and, when interviewed, she pulled ranks with Gabbard saying she's top-tier and Gabbard is a low 1% candidate. I have seen five-year-olds take a hit with more grace.
 
Spewing nonsensical insults day in and day out is quite different from plunging the world into a massive war, stripping millions of people of their rights and orchestrating a genocide. At his worst, Donald Trump hurt the feelings of some people. At his worst, Hitler slaughtered millions not even counting the actual combats. Even if you slept through your history courses, you would know that. You're cheapening historical horrors for political expediency and that is disgusting. How dare you insult the memories of all the victims of those events and compare their suffering to people getting angry over Twitter? What is next? You're going to compare your "side" with the French resistance? In 1942, saying you want to assassinate Hitler and help people escape the Gestapo means you risked life and limb to stop real evil. Saying "Orange man bad" in 2019 doesn't take any guts. Childish cries over a lost election will get you an Op-ed in the New York times, not an execution without trial in the back alleys of Paris. People you dislike win elections sometimes. Grow up.

Stop making me defend Trump. I hate to do that.

I would have preferred a more civil and less accusatory response, but you are correct to some extent: arguing whether Hitler and Trump are 'the same' somewhat cheapens history. Yet there are elements of their tenure that are undeniably similar, in spirit of course, if not sheer degree.

My fear is that Trump is just a primer for a real right wing dictator. His base have shown they want a strongman, but they've thrown their weight behind a buffoon who's bumbled his way into the role. With packed courts, hijacked state legislatures, gerrymandering and voter suppression, Republicans may well hold onto minority rule for the foreseeable future. What happens when a real strongman arrives to take the helm? What becomes of the republic then?

As for 'at his worst,' that is incorrect. trump has done far more damage than hurt feelings. He's created a humanitarian crisis oin the border - or at least fanned the flames, stripped people of medical cover, food stamps and stoked racial divides, causing a spike in hate crimes and domestic terror. He's doing real harm, not just generating 'lib tears'. He is also pushing toward conflict with Iran. Not as bad as Hitler of course...yet.

The saying is those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it, right?
 
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No one with a shred of integrity should be defending Trump. Period.

I just noticed what is written above your avatar and what you picked to be a signature.

It is unsurprising that you think no one should defend Trump, even when the accusations and insults thrown at him are obvious lies. The idea that you should bear no false witness doesn't stop at people you like. The whole point is that it applies to people you dislike or even hate. You calling libertarians brownshirts only serves to underlie your partisanship. Benito Mussolini wrote :

Mussolini said:
Against individualism, the Fascist conception is for the State; and it is for the individual in so far as he coincides with the State (...). It is opposed to classical Liberalism (...). Liberalism denied the State in the interests of the particular individual; Fascism reaffirms the State as the true reality of the individual.

To sane people who did not fall asleep during history classes, THAT is fascism: it subsumes your individuality into the collective in the name of the interest of the collective, as the government defines it. This is the kind of attitude which brownshirts had in Germany. It also manifestly appealed to blackshirts in Italy. The limits to governmental power that libertarians constantly demand are mere obstacles to fascists. Both doctrines are incompatible at every level of analysis. The exact opposite of controlling everything through governmental coercion and disregarding the value of individuals in the name of honoring race is to minimize governmental coercion and to not give a damn about race.

The only people with some influence who care about race in America today are all on the left -- all of them. They're the ones who cheer ideas like segregated dorms and separate graduation ceremonies at colleges, who evaluate the merit of claims based on the skin color of their author and consequently push to get the portrait of Shakespear off a wall because he was white and made the mistake of letting a penis dangle between his leg at birth and put in its place the portrait of a poet because she happens to be black, who host a protest telling white faculty they are not welcome on the grounds of college because they are white... If you want to call out dangerous radicals who try to create tension and divide people across arbitrarily selected dimensions like gender and race, call out the damn leftist who forgot about civil rights and about what liberalism means.
 
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