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    Re: The Migration of South to North

    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz62 View Post
    Historically...Europe has either been fighting with the Arab and African nations, or have been a serious imposition on the people of those 2 regions.
    And historically...Europe and North America have been doing about the same to South America. In both cases, a good argument can be made that the northern peoples helped create the circumstances that exist in the southern lands, but is this idea completely correct? Is that all there is to it? I'm not sure.
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    Re: The Migration of South to North

    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz62 View Post
    No I'm not trying to say that at all. Although I guess that's how it might read to some.
    In fact, I don't think laziness is exclusive to any race of humans. It's pretty 'universal' that way.
    Criminality is too. I'm more wondering if the state of affairs in the southern regions can be attributed to the culture?
    And know that as far as any practical experience, the closest I have ever been to it would be a vacation in south Spain once...23 years ago...where I learned that garbage cans are as much a subtle hint, as traffic lights are in Montreal.

    I'm wondering how it all became such a ****show, and do the populations of the north really want such influence? Would it be wise?

    Also understand that I'm really trying to be open to having my personal views swayed by real logic. Perhaps, given the sheer numbers on the planet, this migration and more, are inevitable? If so, can that be done in a way that most people can get with the program? Or is this always gonna result in a dog-fight between the right and the left?
    I think a few factors remain unmentioned here. By and large, the Spanish and Portuguese came to extract things from the New World. Brits and to a certain extent the French came to settle. Spanish intermarried, Brits did not. Spanish encountered relatively “advanced” civilizations in, for example Mexico and Peru, while Brits, with some exceptions did not. The patterns of trade between the north and south have been raw materials with relatively low prices being exchanged for manufactured items at higher prices, a losing process for poor countries. One classic example of some years past was coffee beans exported from the south, with instant coffee made from those beans imported from Europe.

    When I first encountered third world poverty in the 60s and 70s I said to friends that someday people would just get up and start walking north, payback for Europe colonization and US overthrow of Latin American governments we didn’t like. That seems to be starting, sort of repaying the favor.

    Sadly, such migration is an opportunity for demagogues to take advantage and demonize the migrants.

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    Re: The Migration of South to North

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    You shrieked about how many dictators there have been in Africa and Asia. I pointed out that there have been plenty of European dictators, so your argument is inherently flawed.

    You also made a fairy tale claim about how Europeans had "inherent respect for democracy and law and order" which is laughably historically inaccurate.

    Your beliefs, as usual, are deeply ignorant and filled with gaping holes.

    If you wanted an echo chamber of people praising your fantasies you should have gone to Stormfront.
    Did you really just come here to troll me?
    If you have something intelligent to offer, go ahead. But please try to be a little less of a screaming partisan...at least in this thread.

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    Re: The Migration of South to North

    Quote Originally Posted by HK.227 View Post
    I would recommend Guns, Germs, and Steel.
    It is not a complete answer, but it may be the beginning of one.
    Thanks. I'll read it.

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    Re: The Migration of South to North

    Quote Originally Posted by Nickyjo View Post
    I think a few factors remain unmentioned here. By and large, the Spanish and Portuguese came to extract things from the New World. Brits and to a certain extent the French came to settle. Spanish intermarried, Brits did not. Spanish encountered relatively “advanced” civilizations in, for example Mexico and Peru, while Brits, with some exceptions did not. The patterns of trade between the north and south have been raw materials with relatively low prices being exchanged for manufactured items at higher prices, a losing process for poor countries. One classic example of some years past was coffee beans exported from the south, with instant coffee made from those beans imported from Europe.

    When I first encountered third world poverty in the 60s and 70s I said to friends that someday people would just get up and start walking north, payback for Europe colonization and US overthrow of Latin American governments we didn’t like. That seems to be starting, sort of repaying the favor.

    Sadly, such migration is an opportunity for demagogues to take advantage and demonize the migrants.
    I'm mulling this over in my head and keep thinking, the English and French came to colonize, and the Spanish and Portuguese came to plunder. That, in itself, I think speaks volumes about the differences in the cultures. Such would have given the new NA colonists a distinct advantage with respect to infrastructure and capabilities. Thus might it be fair to say that the reason for initial exploration to the new world, produced an initial unequality between north and south, which the southern nations were never really able to dig out of?

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    Re: The Migration of South to North

    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz62 View Post
    Did you really just come here to troll me?
    If you have something intelligent to offer, go ahead. But please try to be a little less of a screaming partisan...at least in this thread.
    No, I came here to point out the many blinding flaws in your ideology of hatred.

    See, here's the thing bud. When you start spewing about how much you want to ethnically cleanse Europe, you lose all right to complain when people point out the several dozen major problems with your fantasy.

    There is nothing partisan about pointing out really basic history. Your entire premise is exceptionally ignorant, since you are arguing a position which even a cursory look at history shows to be utterly laughable.

    Again....where was this supposed "inherent respect for democracy and law and order" during the Holocaust?

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    Re: The Migration of South to North

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    No, I came here to point out the many blinding flaws in your ideology of hatred.

    See, here's the thing bud. When you start spewing about how much you want to ethnically cleanse Europe, you lose all right to complain when people point out the several dozen major problems with your fantasy.

    There is nothing partisan about pointing out really basic history. Your entire premise is exceptionally ignorant, since you are arguing a position which even a cursory look at history shows to be utterly laughable.

    Again....where was this supposed "inherent respect for democracy and law and order" during the Holocaust?
    "ideology of hatred"???
    Ya know...considering your tone and candor, I'd have to surmise that it's really you who has a heart chalk-filled with hatred.
    Hatred for Europe, hatred for North America, and now it looks like you also harbor a deep hatred for the actions of Nazi Germany.

    I can understand the Nazi hatred thing except...well...you know...all the real Nazis are dead and gone now.

    You continue to howl about my proposal that Europe undertake a major extradition project in order to sort this refugee crisis out, and do away with these "NoGo" zones all over the continent. So instead of posting a bitch-fight in this thread, what do ya say we ask these others who frequent this particular part of the DP web?

    So people...Is it unthinkable to propose that Europe, perhaps with the help of Russia, send waves of military and social workers throughout Europe, in order to interview each and ever refugee claimant, make a quick decision yea or nay, and deport all of the "nays" in short order?

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    Re: The Migration of South to North

    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz62 View Post
    "ideology of hatred"???
    Ya know...considering your tone and candor, I'd have to surmise that it's really you who has a heart chalk-filled with hatred.
    Hatred for Europe, hatred for North America, and now it looks like you also harbor a deep hatred for the actions of Nazi Germany.

    I can understand the Nazi hatred thing except...well...you know...all the real Nazis are dead and gone now.

    You continue to howl about my proposal that Europe undertake a major extradition project in order to sort this refugee crisis out, and do away with these "NoGo" zones all over the continent. So instead of posting a bitch-fight in this thread, what do ya say we ask these others who frequent this particular part of the DP web?

    So people...Is it unthinkable to propose that Europe, perhaps with the help of Russia, send waves of military and social workers throughout Europe, in order to interview each and ever refugee claimant, make a quick decision yea or nay, and deport all of the "nays" in short order?
    Oh look, yet another post form you wailing about how mean you think you are being treated just because you want to ethnically cleanse Europe. Poor, poor you

    I always think its downright hilarious how fascists think opposing your ideology in any way means you 'hate Europe". Sorry bud, I just hate thugs who want to ethnically cleanse Europe and who try and use hilariously ignorant historical claims(do you actually think the English and French didn't want to "plunder"? The English spent decades sponsoring thugs to predate on the Spanish merchant fleet hauling all that precious gold back to Europe) to justify fantasies nowadays.

    The "real Nazis"? Sorry bud, but the thugs who want to continue in their footsteps are just as much Nazis as those who fled or shot themselves in 1945.

    Yes I continue to "howl" over your ethnic cleansing fantasy and your delusions that "no-go zones" didn't exist before the recent past(another example of your laughable ignorance......the concept dates back at least as far as Northern Ireland in the 1960s, and likely far further than that). Your mindless hatred is only exceeded by your sheer historical ignorance.

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    Re: The Migration of South to North

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    Oh look, yet another post form you wailing about how mean you think you are being treated just because you want to ethnically cleanse Europe. Poor, poor you

    I always think its downright hilarious how fascists think opposing your ideology in any way means you 'hate Europe". Sorry bud, I just hate thugs who want to ethnically cleanse Europe and who try and use hilariously ignorant historical claims(do you actually think the English and French didn't want to "plunder"? The English spent decades sponsoring thugs to predate on the Spanish merchant fleet hauling all that precious gold back to Europe) to justify fantasies nowadays.

    The "real Nazis"? Sorry bud, but the thugs who want to continue in their footsteps are just as much Nazis as those who fled or shot themselves in 1945.

    Yes I continue to "howl" over your ethnic cleansing fantasy and your delusions that "no-go zones" didn't exist before the recent past(another example of your laughable ignorance......the concept dates back at least as far as Northern Ireland in the 1960s, and likely far further than that). Your mindless hatred is only exceeded by your sheer historical ignorance.
    Yes OK now let's see if any other people wish to chime in too...ok?

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    Re: The Migration of South to North

    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz62 View Post
    I'm mulling this over in my head and keep thinking, the English and French came to colonize, and the Spanish and Portuguese came to plunder. That, in itself, I think speaks volumes about the differences in the cultures. Such would have given the new NA colonists a distinct advantage with respect to infrastructure and capabilities. Thus might it be fair to say that the reason for initial exploration to the new world, produced an initial unequality between north and south, which the southern nations were never really able to dig out of?
    May be some truth to that. But here in the US we never had a clash of cultures -- disease and relocation to reservations characterized NA colonization of the US, while the Spanish co-existed or intermarried. In the north there was no infrastructure to take down, except in the Southwest and parts of the southeast. In Peru, some Spanish structures are literally built on top of Inca walls that rise five feet or so. (Funny thing, in one of Peru's churches, there is a painting of the last supper. Instead of the Paschal lamb, however, the Indian painter put a guinea pig on a platter.)

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