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The sickening tale of the 36th Waffen SS Division

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In my ongoing self study of many points in human history I came across accounts of a very specific division within the SS I hadn't heard of before and whose tale is chilling even for as a long time scholar of the holocaust and WWII.

The 36th Waffen SS Division, also known as the Dirlewanger Brigade.

Now obviously, the SS and the German Military machine in general committed many, many sickening atrocities, but it would seem from some accounts that this particular division acted with exceptional cruelty and brutality, especially during the Warsaw Uprising.

To understand the Dirlewanger Brigade, One must first understand their commander, this man:

Oskar-Dirlewanger.jpg
 
His name, was Oskar Dirlewanger, he served as a Machine Gunner in WWI in the Western Front, invading Belgium and later fighting in France, he ended the war on the Eastern Front with many medals and as a Lieutenant, his experiences appear to have lead to his taste for violence and sick sexual perversions and he became an alcoholic.

To skip through much of the rest of his biography he was a violent right wing street thug after this, he later joined the Nazi Party, later on he was sentenced to prison for sexually abusing a 14 year old girl, he was expelled from the Nazi Party and was even at one point sent to a concentration camp, but due to connections he still had within the SS by this point, not only was he released but he was allowed to become part of the SS Reserve and later fought as part of the Condor Legion in Spain, due to this he was reinstated into the Nazis just prior to WWII and became a member of the Waffen SS and was given his own command in what would become the 36th Waffen SS Division.

The beginnings of this division were, relatively speaking and from a military point of view, easy enough to understand, they initially took men convicted of poaching to in theory, help tackle Partisans in the woods of conquered territories, however as the war progressed it became a free for all for who got into this specific division, the mentally deranged, violent criminals, rapists, the mission became a more general "policing" of certain stretches of occupied territory, one such case being Belarus.

Their propensity for violence, rape and pillaging was too much even for the SS, many other SS commanders made complaints about this divisions behavior if you can believe that, and wanted them taken off the field as also their randomly violent behavior was sometimes a risk to their own men, but these fell upon deaf hears due to Oskars connections.

It is said that one of the favorite pass times of this division was rolling into a village, putting as many villagers as they could into a barn, setting it alight and machine gunning down anyone that tried to run out, the tales of indiscriminate violence and rape (also of children) from this time are numerous but it was during the Warsaw Uprising when the division truly gained notoriety and cemented them as quite possibly the sickest and most violent of all the SS's many atrocities.

During the Warsaw Uprising, Himmler gave Dirlewanger free reign to loot, pillage and rape the city back into submission, to give you just a taste of some of the shocking things he did, I quote the following:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/36th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS

After the door of the building was blown off we saw a daycare-full of small children, around 500; all with small hands in the air. Even Dirlewanger's own people called him a butcher; he ordered to kill them all. The shots were fired, but he requested his men to save the ammo and finish them off by rifle-butts and bayonets. Blood and brain matter flowed in streams down the stairs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Dirlewanger

In Warsaw, Dirlewanger participated in the Wola massacre, together with police units rounding up and shooting some 40,000 civilians, most of them in just two days.[5] In the same Wola district, Dirlewanger burned three hospitals with patients inside, while the nurses were "whipped, gang-raped and finally hanged naked, together with the doctors" to the accompaniment of the popular song "In München steht ein Hofbräuhaus"

These are just a taste, Dirlewanger finally met his end after being shot in the chest by Soviet Soldiers, survived and went into hiding while fighting in Eastern Germany, he was then captured and as the legend goes, allegedly beaten to death by Polish Soldiers in French Service in his Cell, but his official death certificate states he died of "natural causes".

Personally I hope they made him severely suffer before he died, under his personal orders (and by his own hand at times), thousands upon thousands of women and children were raped and consequently hundreds of thousands more would be murdered, brutally and indiscriminately, I think it is a testament to how brutal these guys were that even many in the SS themselves, hated this man and what he was doing (super ironic as well).

Anyway that is a small taste of what I think was one of the more chilling tales of German atrocities during WWII, there are other resources if you want to learn more but actually they are somewhat limited and some will require translation, particularly from Polish.
 
I believe the murderous Dirlewanger Brigade is also somewhat covered in the epic - Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin by Professor Timothy Snyder.

A recent classic from 2010 that I highly recommend.
 
His name, was Oskar Dirlewanger, he served as a Machine Gunner in WWI in the Western Front, invading Belgium and later fighting in France, he ended the war on the Eastern Front with many medals and as a Lieutenant, his experiences appear to have lead to his taste for violence and sick sexual perversions and he became an alcoholic.

To skip through much of the rest of his biography he was a violent right wing street thug after this, he later joined the Nazi Party, later on he was sentenced to prison for sexually abusing a 14 year old girl, he was expelled from the Nazi Party and was even at one point sent to a concentration camp, but due to connections he still had within the SS by this point, not only was he released but he was allowed to become part of the SS Reserve and later fought as part of the Condor Legion in Spain, due to this he was reinstated into the Nazis just prior to WWII and became a member of the Waffen SS and was given his own command in what would become the 36th Waffen SS Division.

The beginnings of this division were, relatively speaking and from a military point of view, easy enough to understand, they initially took men convicted of poaching to in theory, help tackle Partisans in the woods of conquered territories, however as the war progressed it became a free for all for who got into this specific division, the mentally deranged, violent criminals, rapists, the mission became a more general "policing" of certain stretches of occupied territory, one such case being Belarus.

Their propensity for violence, rape and pillaging was too much even for the SS, many other SS commanders made complaints about this divisions behavior if you can believe that, and wanted them taken off the field as also their randomly violent behavior was sometimes a risk to their own men, but these fell upon deaf hears due to Oskars connections.

It is said that one of the favorite pass times of this division was rolling into a village, putting as many villagers as they could into a barn, setting it alight and machine gunning down anyone that tried to run out, the tales of indiscriminate violence and rape (also of children) from this time are numerous but it was during the Warsaw Uprising when the division truly gained notoriety and cemented them as quite possibly the sickest and most violent of all the SS's many atrocities.

During the Warsaw Uprising, Himmler gave Dirlewanger free reign to loot, pillage and rape the city back into submission, to give you just a taste of some of the shocking things he did, I quote the following:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/36th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Dirlewanger



These are just a taste, Dirlewanger finally met his end after being shot in the chest by Soviet Soldiers, survived and went into hiding while fighting in Eastern Germany, he was then captured and as the legend goes, allegedly beaten to death by Polish Soldiers in French Service in his Cell, but his official death certificate states he died of "natural causes".

Personally I hope they made him severely suffer before he died, under his personal orders (and by his own hand at times), thousands upon thousands of women and children were raped and consequently hundreds of thousands more would be murdered, brutally and indiscriminately, I think it is a testament to how brutal these guys were that even many in the SS themselves, hated this man and what he was doing (super ironic as well).

Anyway that is a small taste of what I think was one of the more chilling tales of German atrocities during WWII, there are other resources if you want to learn more but actually they are somewhat limited and some will require translation, particularly from Polish.

As I was reading your post, I recall my grandfather saying he was trapped in a burning barn, knowing if he ran out, he would be shot to death. He survived, but said his division leader was killed and bled out in the barn while my father comforted him. I am not sure exactly where that happened, but it had to have been east of Berlin. I wonder if that could have 36 Waffen or if that was a somewhat common Nazi tactic.
 
I believe the murderous Dirlewanger Brigade is also somewhat covered in the epic - Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin by Professor Timothy Snyder.

A recent classic from 2010 that I highly recommend.

Was he active in terrorizing East Europe with such tactics?

I recently read Black Earth which covers much of Eastern Europe under WWII. It was an amazing book. Bloodlands is on my reading list too.
 
Was he active in terrorizing East Europe with such tactics?

I recently read Black Earth which covers much of Eastern Europe under WWII. It was an amazing book. Bloodlands is on my reading list too.

The Dirlewanger Brigade committed horrific war crimes in Russia (modern Belarus) and Poland.

The Brigade was composed mostly of sadistic murderers, and committed numerous atrocities against POW's and civilians alike.
 
His name, was Oskar Dirlewanger, he served as a Machine Gunner in WWI in the Western Front, invading Belgium and later fighting in France, he ended the war on the Eastern Front with many medals and as a Lieutenant, his experiences appear to have lead to his taste for violence and sick sexual perversions and he became an alcoholic.

To skip through much of the rest of his biography he was a violent right wing street thug after this, he later joined the Nazi Party, later on he was sentenced to prison for sexually abusing a 14 year old girl, he was expelled from the Nazi Party and was even at one point sent to a concentration camp, but due to connections he still had within the SS by this point, not only was he released but he was allowed to become part of the SS Reserve and later fought as part of the Condor Legion in Spain, due to this he was reinstated into the Nazis just prior to WWII and became a member of the Waffen SS and was given his own command in what would become the 36th Waffen SS Division.

The beginnings of this division were, relatively speaking and from a military point of view, easy enough to understand, they initially took men convicted of poaching to in theory, help tackle Partisans in the woods of conquered territories, however as the war progressed it became a free for all for who got into this specific division, the mentally deranged, violent criminals, rapists, the mission became a more general "policing" of certain stretches of occupied territory, one such case being Belarus.

Their propensity for violence, rape and pillaging was too much even for the SS, many other SS commanders made complaints about this divisions behavior if you can believe that, and wanted them taken off the field as also their randomly violent behavior was sometimes a risk to their own men, but these fell upon deaf hears due to Oskars connections.

It is said that one of the favorite pass times of this division was rolling into a village, putting as many villagers as they could into a barn, setting it alight and machine gunning down anyone that tried to run out, the tales of indiscriminate violence and rape (also of children) from this time are numerous but it was during the Warsaw Uprising when the division truly gained notoriety and cemented them as quite possibly the sickest and most violent of all the SS's many atrocities.

During the Warsaw Uprising, Himmler gave Dirlewanger free reign to loot, pillage and rape the city back into submission, to give you just a taste of some of the shocking things he did, I quote the following:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/36th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Dirlewanger



These are just a taste, Dirlewanger finally met his end after being shot in the chest by Soviet Soldiers, survived and went into hiding while fighting in Eastern Germany, he was then captured and as the legend goes, allegedly beaten to death by Polish Soldiers in French Service in his Cell, but his official death certificate states he died of "natural causes".

Personally I hope they made him severely suffer before he died, under his personal orders (and by his own hand at times), thousands upon thousands of women and children were raped and consequently hundreds of thousands more would be murdered, brutally and indiscriminately, I think it is a testament to how brutal these guys were that even many in the SS themselves, hated this man and what he was doing (super ironic as well).

Anyway that is a small taste of what I think was one of the more chilling tales of German atrocities during WWII, there are other resources if you want to learn more but actually they are somewhat limited and some will require translation, particularly from Polish.

Nice work. He was a friend SS-Ggruppenfuher Gottlob Berger’s doctor. Derlwanger’s regiment was composed of poachers and convicted criminals and by then the concentration camp guards had all be converted to the Waffen SS. The camp guards were made of thugs and criminals anyway.
 
The Dirlewanger Brigade committed horrific war crimes in Russia (modern Belarus) and Poland.

The Brigade was composed mostly of sadistic murderers, and committed numerous atrocities against POW's and civilians alike.

Hmm. I guess it's possible my grandfather could have encountered him then. I still wonder how often Nazis trapped people in barns and set them on fire, then waited to shoot them. Its just a connection I made with Jets post. I will tell my sister about this discussion.

I know my grandfather was never taken prisoner. He saw other people captured by Nazis and said he came close, but was never captured himself, so it's not like he was put in the barn as a prisoner. I guess it was more ambushed and trapped.
 
As I was reading your post, I recall my grandfather saying he was trapped in a burning barn, knowing if he ran out, he would be shot to death. He survived, but said his division leader was killed and bled out in the barn while my father comforted him. I am not sure exactly where that happened, but it had to have been east of Berlin. I wonder if that could have 36 Waffen or if that was a somewhat common Nazi tactic.

Sad to say, it could have been either.

Only one time did my father tried to tell myself and my brothers of some of the horrors he encountered left by the Nazis as he fought his way across Europe. He kept choking as the memories overwhelmed him, and he had to stop. We had heard enough to effect us the rest of our lives and our feeling about the everyday common German people. They would do it again given the opportunity. Civilization is a very thin veneer. He said it was ironic since many of his fellow American soldiers were of germanic descent, and they hated the German people as much as he did for allowing all of this to happen. They were not so proud of their heritage any longer by the time they reached home.
 
Hmm. I guess it's possible my grandfather could have encountered him then. I still wonder how often Nazis trapped people in barns and set them on fire, then waited to shoot them.

Not sure SheWolf. This is a well documented Einsatzgruppen tactic used in many Jewish shtetls in Poland and Russia.

The local Jewish community was locked in the local synagogue which was then set ablaze. Anyone trying to escape was immediately shot.
 
Hmm. I guess it's possible my grandfather could have encountered him then. I still wonder how often Nazis trapped people in barns and set them on fire, then waited to shoot them. Its just a connection I made with Jets post. I will tell my sister about this discussion.

I know my grandfather was never taken prisoner. He saw other people captured by Nazis and said he came close, but was never captured himself, so it's not like he was put in the barn as a prisoner. I guess it was more ambushed and trapped.

Tell me about your grandfather. What was it in my post that got you thinking?
 
Sad to say, it could have been either.

Only one time did my father tried to tell myself and my brothers of some of the horrors he encountered left by the Nazis as he fought his way across Europe. He kept choking as the memories overwhelmed him, and he had to stop. We had heard enough to effect us the rest of our lives and our feeling about the everyday common German people. They would do it again given the opportunity. Civilization is a very thin veneer. He said it was ironic since many of his fellow American soldiers were of germanic descent, and they hated the German people as much as he did for allowing all of this to happen. They were not so proud of their heritage any longer by the time they reached home.

My grandfather was the same. He couldn't talk about it without choking up, but he had a good heart and lots of empathy. I dont think he was ever hardened by the death, and he said he was in Germany when the war ended and there was celebrating with Americans and Soviets. Many people with him were excited to celebrate, but he didn't want to. He said he started to go home right then.
 
My grandfather was the same. He couldn't talk about it without choking up, but he had a good heart and lots of empathy. I dont think he was ever hardened by the death, and he said he was in Germany when the war ended and there was celebrating with Americans and Soviets. Many people with him were excited to celebrate, but he didn't want to. He said he started to go home right then.

My father had to stay an additional year in Germany after the war. He worked for Patton. One his friends who served with him, many GI's would give captured Nazi pistols to camp survivors, who then went out hunting Germans at night. The atrocities didn't end with the war. In Ukraine and Poland, as well as other formerly occupied countries, those who returned from the camps were killed, because those who had stayed didn't want to give their property back.

My father told me never trust the French. They didn't want to be liberated because they knew war would destroy their homes and kill many of them. That did happen, and they never forgave the allied forces. Just lip talk from them.
 
His name, was Oskar Dirlewanger, he served as a Machine Gunner in WWI in the Western Front, invading Belgium and later fighting in France, he ended the war on the Eastern Front with many medals and as a Lieutenant, his experiences appear to have lead to his taste for violence and sick sexual perversions and he became an alcoholic.

To skip through much of the rest of his biography he was a violent right wing street thug after this, he later joined the Nazi Party, later on he was sentenced to prison for sexually abusing a 14 year old girl, he was expelled from the Nazi Party and was even at one point sent to a concentration camp, but due to connections he still had within the SS by this point, not only was he released but he was allowed to become part of the SS Reserve and later fought as part of the Condor Legion in Spain, due to this he was reinstated into the Nazis just prior to WWII and became a member of the Waffen SS and was given his own command in what would become the 36th Waffen SS Division.

The beginnings of this division were, relatively speaking and from a military point of view, easy enough to understand, they initially took men convicted of poaching to in theory, help tackle Partisans in the woods of conquered territories, however as the war progressed it became a free for all for who got into this specific division, the mentally deranged, violent criminals, rapists, the mission became a more general "policing" of certain stretches of occupied territory, one such case being Belarus.

Their propensity for violence, rape and pillaging was too much even for the SS, many other SS commanders made complaints about this divisions behavior if you can believe that, and wanted them taken off the field as also their randomly violent behavior was sometimes a risk to their own men, but these fell upon deaf hears due to Oskars connections.

It is said that one of the favorite pass times of this division was rolling into a village, putting as many villagers as they could into a barn, setting it alight and machine gunning down anyone that tried to run out, the tales of indiscriminate violence and rape (also of children) from this time are numerous but it was during the Warsaw Uprising when the division truly gained notoriety and cemented them as quite possibly the sickest and most violent of all the SS's many atrocities.

During the Warsaw Uprising, Himmler gave Dirlewanger free reign to loot, pillage and rape the city back into submission, to give you just a taste of some of the shocking things he did, I quote the following:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/36th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Dirlewanger



These are just a taste, Dirlewanger finally met his end after being shot in the chest by Soviet Soldiers, survived and went into hiding while fighting in Eastern Germany, he was then captured and as the legend goes, allegedly beaten to death by Polish Soldiers in French Service in his Cell, but his official death certificate states he died of "natural causes".

Personally I hope they made him severely suffer before he died, under his personal orders (and by his own hand at times), thousands upon thousands of women and children were raped and consequently hundreds of thousands more would be murdered, brutally and indiscriminately, I think it is a testament to how brutal these guys were that even many in the SS themselves, hated this man and what he was doing (super ironic as well).

Anyway that is a small taste of what I think was one of the more chilling tales of German atrocities during WWII, there are other resources if you want to learn more but actually they are somewhat limited and some will require translation, particularly from Polish.

Unreal what can happen when the crazies take over.
 
In my ongoing self study of many points in human history I came across accounts of a very specific division within the SS I hadn't heard of before and whose tale is chilling even for as a long time scholar of the holocaust and WWII.

The 36th Waffen SS Division, also known as the Dirlewanger Brigade.

Now obviously, the SS and the German Military machine in general committed many, many sickening atrocities, but it would seem from some accounts that this particular division acted with exceptional cruelty and brutality, especially during the Warsaw Uprising.

To understand the Dirlewanger Brigade, One must first understand their commander, this man:

Oskar-Dirlewanger.jpg


Disgusting as he was, he was a mere tool, and nothing much out of the ordinary.
Congo, Armenia, East Timor, Bosnia, Rwanda, Syria. One should always keep in mind that there are others, usually just out of sight, who empower, arm, and direct these animals. And that often they get away with presenting themselves as decent human beings.
 
I read about the Dirlewanger Brigade after watching the Russian (anti-) war movie Come and See. The movie is not for the fainthearted.

 
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