What Madison(founder of Republican party 1792) said about how liberals would destroy America:

Irwin Corey · Apr 5, 2018

James972 said:
Madison was for a very very limited govt so was the enemy of liberalism. Do you understand??

Liberalism IS NOT for big government, it's for FAIR government so is the enemy of Oligarchy which hides behind conservatism and sells itself to people like you as the panacea for everything wrong in your world. It's easy for the Oligarchs to sell hate branded as conservatism; do you understand? Of course you don't.

Moot · Apr 5, 2018

James972 said:
Actually Madison and Jefferson founded the Republican party in 1793. Why not look it up???

It was called the Democratic Republican party because the country was a republic form of government with a representative democracy and it had nothing to do with today's republican party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Party_System

Moot · Apr 5, 2018

James972 said:
Madison was for a very very limited govt so was the enemy of liberalism. Do you understand??

Madison was for a strong centralized government when he helped to write and ratify the constitution.

James972 · Apr 5, 2018

Moot said:
Madison was for a strong centralized government when he helped to write and ratify the constitution.

how is that possible when his Constitution gave the Federal govt only a few enumerated powers and left all other powers to the states and people???

Welcome to your first lesson in American History!

James Madison in Federalist paper NO. 45: "The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce."

James972 · Apr 5, 2018

Moot said:
It was called the Democratic Republican party because the country was a republic form of government with a representative democracy and it had nothing to do with today's republican party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Party_System

if it was called Democratic Republican in 18th Century I will pay you $10,000. Bet? Same name and same philosophy as todays Republican Party and so has everything to do. Do you understand?

ataraxia · Apr 6, 2018

James972 said:
if it was called Democratic Republican in 18th Century I will pay you $10,000. Bet? Same name and same philosophy as todays Republican Party and so has everything to do. Do you understand?

So will you be sending a check or wiring that amount? We also take credit card.:lamo

The Democratic-Republican Party was an American political party formed by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison between 1791 and 1793
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic-Republican_Party

James972 · Apr 6, 2018

ataraxia said:
So will you be sending a check or wiring that amount? We also take credit card.:lamo

You have learned 48 times now that a liberal encyclopedia article is not a primary source. Shall we go for 49?

ataraxia · Apr 6, 2018

James972 said:
You have learned 48 times now that a liberal encyclopedia article is not a primary source. Shall we go for 49?

You can pick any source you like. A high school history book will be fine. Even one approved by the Texas Board of Education!

One important example of Washington’s distaste for partisanship was his public denunciation of popular political societies. The founding of a network of over forty Democratic-Republican Societies throughout the young nation between 1793 and 1796 triggered fears of disorder amongst Federalist elites
Democratic-Republican Societies · George Washington's Mount Vernon

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Sampson Simpson · Apr 6, 2018

All the founding fathers were liberals. All the patriots fighting against England would be liberals. Liberals change. They were fighting for change. Conservatives would have been Torries, trying to keep the status quo. THat's what their very names implies.

And everything always changes and adapts, thus liberals always win in the end. Conservatives are there to ease the change in. THey are like the brakes to keep things moving more slowly. Very little in the way of ideas to move forward

Anyway, this is another one of those brainless "liberals are stupid poopyhead" type threads, par for the course from the poster

James972 · Apr 6, 2018

ataraxia said:
You can pick any source you like. A high school history book will be fine. Even one approved by the Texas Board of Education!

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actually Democratic Republican societies were societies not a political party. Why not read letters speeches etc to learn truth. You have accepted bet
and own me $10000 legally

James972 · Apr 6, 2018

Sampson Simpson said:
All the founding fathers were liberals.

using today's definition they were conservative libertarian given that they supported very very tiny govt. Do you understand?

James972 · Apr 6, 2018

Sampson Simpson said:
Anyway, this is another one of those brainless "liberals are stupid poopyhead" type threads, par for the course from the poster

of course if there was something positive to say about liberalism you would not be so afraid to say it. What does your fear teach you?

danielpalos · Apr 6, 2018

Nobody takes Madison, the Republican, seriously. All he did was get our WhiteHouse burnt, and lose the War of 1812.

James972 · Apr 6, 2018

Sampson Simpson said:
. Liberals change. They were fighting for change.

so were were Hitler Stalin and Mao, the great 20th century liberals!! Do you know why our liberals spied for Hitler and Stalin?

ataraxia · Apr 6, 2018

James972 said:
actually Democratic Republican societies were societies not a political party. Why not read letters speeches etc to learn truth. You have accepted bet
and own me $10000 legally

Not quite yet:

Democratic-Republican Party, originally (1792–98) Republican Party, first opposition political party in the United States. Organized in 1792 as the Republican Party, its members held power nationally between 1801 and 1825. It was the direct antecedent of the present Democratic Party.
Democratic-Republican Party | History & Ideology | Britannica.com

James972 · Apr 6, 2018

ataraxia said:
Not quite yet:

actually encyclopedias are for children you need a primary source such as speeches newspapers inaugural addresses private letters etc. and then you will know that Thomas Jefferson and James Madison formed the Republican Party not the democratic republican party. Most importantly The limited government philosophy of Jefferson and Madison Republican partyis the same limited government Republican philosophy of modern day Republicans. Nothing has changed.Interestingly Democrats can trace their history back to Carl Marx.

Tennyson · Apr 7, 2018

James972 said:
actually Democratic Republican societies were societies not a political party. Why not read letters speeches etc to learn truth. You have accepted bet
and own me $10000 legally

You are correct.

The Democratic-Republican societies acted as PACs and the Federalist tried it shut them down, but Madison, et.al and the freedom of speech prevailed, which gives constitutional credence to Citizen's United.

James972 · Apr 7, 2018

Tennyson said:
You are correct.

The Democratic-Republican societies acted as PACs and the Federalist tried it shut them down, but Madison, et.al and the freedom of speech prevailed, which gives constitutional credence to Citizen's United.

Interestingly, George Washington came out strongly against the Democractic Republican societies. Madison said it was the biggest mistake of Washington's
his political life. Jefferson refused to attend Washington's funeral. Not sure about Madison.

Tennyson · Apr 7, 2018

James972 said:
Interestingly, George Washington came out strongly against the Democractic Republican societies. Madison said it was the biggest mistake of Washington's
his political life. Jefferson refused to attend Washington's funeral. Not sure about Madison.

The Democratic-Republican societies raised a lot of money for the party and had an enormous amount of influence regarding voting. It drove the Federalists mad.

Mizzy22 · Apr 27, 2018

James972 said:
What James Madison (1793 Founder of Republican Party and author of Constitution) *said about how liberals would destroy America:

Madison said faction is to freedom what air is to fire.

To prevent faction and civil war he gave us the greatest gift in human history, the Constitution. Immediately thereafter liberals *(called Federalists a the time) *appeared to represent a faction that wanted the Constitution to mean anything they wanted it to mean and thus the blueprint Madison gave us was undermined if not destroyed. Today, as a result, *we are perhaps more divided than ever before thanks to those who lack the wisdom to understand Madison's Constitution. What was Madison's greatest regret: he wasn't even more clear in his Constitution about the need to make the liberal faction instantly illegal whenever it appeared.

The Republican Party of Today started much later.

Mizzy22 · Apr 27, 2018

James972 said:
Actually Madison and Jefferson founded the Republican party in 1793. Why not look it up???

We had a guy who said this same nonsense on the Amazon Political Forum,I wonder if it's the same guy?

James972 · Apr 27, 2018

Tennyson said:
The Democratic-Republican societies raised a lot of money for the party and had an enormous amount of influence regarding voting. It drove the Federalists mad.

Yes they could not believe anyone would disagree with their liberal, royalist, and monarchical ideas.

James972 · Apr 27, 2018

Mizzy22 said:
The Republican Party of Today started much later.

Jefferson and Madison formed Republican Party in 1792 to challenge big liberal govt exactly as modern Republicans do. Lincoln's Republican Party had same name but not same idea thus modern Republicans have their origins far more with Jefferson and Madison's Republican Party. Do you understand now?

Modern big govt liberals trace their origins to the monarchies of Europe or Karl Marx but not to America and certainly not to our founding.

What Madison(founder of Republican party 1792) said about how liberals would destroy America:

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