gdp per capita europe 1938". Latvia and Estonia ranked as #10 and #11 in Europe, ahead of Austria, F

gdp per capita europe 1938". Latvia and Estonia ranked as #10 and #11 in Europe, ahead of Austria, F

my question is simple, should Muscovy pay compensation for its Asian 55 years occupation of East and Central European countries ?

""gdp per capita europe 1938". Latvia and Estonia ranked as #10 and #11 in Europe, ahead of Austria, Finland, Italy, Spain etc. before the Soviets came and ruined those countries for decades to come. And now the Russians claim they were coming in peace."

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One small problem with your theory..

In 1922, both countries had just become independent from... Russia.

In fact both countries only real independence in their history (other than since the end of the Soviet Union), came between the fall of the Russian Empire and the start of WW2... so barely 2 decades. Before that, they were subjects of the Russians for centuries, and before that.. Swedes, Poles and some more Russians.

So basically their whole economy, society and so on is thanks to.. Russia and Sweden mostly.

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PeteEU said:

One small problem with your theory..

In 1922, both countries had just become independent from... Russia.

In fact both countries only real independence in their history (other than since the end of the Soviet Union), came between the fall of the Russian Empire and the start of WW2... so barely 2 decades. Before that, they were subjects of the Russians for centuries, and before that.. Swedes, Poles and some more Russians.

So basically their whole economy, society and so on is thanks to.. Russia and Sweden mostly.

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Get out of here.

As you know Norway was ruled by Denmark ~1380-1815 and by Sweden ~1815-1900.

Try telling any Norwegian that his "whole economy, society and so on is thanks to.. Denmark and Sweden mostly"!!!

Also, Swedish rule over Estonia ended ~1705, and that is too far removed from 1920 to credit Sweden for Estonia's modern development.

Furthermore, Soviet overlordship can only be considered to have retarded all forms of development except for those associated with the military.

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USViking said:

Get out of here.

As you know Norway was ruled by Denmark ~1380-1815 and by Sweden ~1815-1900.

Try telling any Norwegian that his "whole economy, society and so on is thanks to.. Denmark and Sweden mostly"!!!

Also, Swedish rule over Estonia ended ~1705, and that is too far removed from 1920 to credit Sweden for Estonia's modern development.

Furthermore, Soviet overlordship can only be considered to have retarded all forms of development except for those associated with the military.

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I said culture and economics. I said that the Estonian economy after independence was still heavily influenced by Russia.. like it or not. And as for Sweden.. just like after the fall of the Soviets, it was Sweden and Denmark who pumped money into Estonian and other baltic states due to their historic links.

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PeteEU said:

I said culture and economics. I said that the Estonian economy after independence was still heavily influenced by Russia.. like it or not.

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You said: “So basically their whole economy, society and so on is thanks to.. Russia… mostly“
as though Russia was some kind of praiseworthy benefactor. I sincerely doubt that Estonia ever
got more back from Imperial Russia than what it paid in taxes and other extractions, and as I indicated
earlier the Soviet era was value-subtracted.

PeteEU said:

And as for Sweden.. just like after the fall of the Soviets, it was Sweden and Denmark who pumped money into Estonian and other baltic states due to their historic links.

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I cannot tell if you are speaking here of the post-Soviet or pre-Imperial Russian era. If the latter
then as for Danish rule it ended in the later Middle Ages ~1350 and is too remote to be relevant
to this discussion. As for Swedish rule ~1620-1705 I don’t know about Estonia, but as a Swede
you should know that Swedish extractions from Livonia precipitated the anti-Swedish career of Johan Patkul,
who did more than any one person to instigate the Northern War, which ended Sweden’s status as a great power.

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USViking said:

You said: “So basically their whole economy, society and so on is thanks to.. Russia… mostly“
as though Russia was some kind of praiseworthy benefactor. I sincerely doubt that Estonia ever
got more back from Imperial Russia than what it paid in taxes and other extractions, and as I indicated
earlier the Soviet era was value-subtracted.

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I never said that Russia was some kind of praiseworthy benefactor. I just pointed out the obvious, that Estonia as a nation has basically never existed on its own. They do have more in common with Russia and Sweden/Scandinavia than they dare to admit, since these countries have owned their lands for most of the existence of civilization there.

I cannot tell if you are speaking here of the post-Soviet or pre-Imperial Russian era. If the latter
then as for Danish rule it ended in the later Middle Ages ~1350 and is too remote to be relevant
to this discussion. As for Swedish rule ~1620-1705 I don’t know about Estonia, but as a Swede
you should know that Swedish extractions from Livonia precipitated the anti-Swedish career of Johan Patkul,
who did more than any one person to instigate the Northern War, which ended Sweden’s status as a great power.

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Talking about the 20 or so years that Estonia was an independent country between 1920 and 1940ish.

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PeteEU said:

I said culture and economics. I said that the Estonian economy after independence was still heavily influenced by Russia.. like it or not. And as for Sweden.. just like after the fall of the Soviets, it was Sweden and Denmark who pumped money into Estonian and other baltic states due to their historic links.

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post your links ? i am 100% sure that your are wrong ...

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Litwin said:

post your links ? i am 100% sure that your are wrong ...

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Come on... use your common sense. Economies dont change overnight. That takes years... decades.

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PeteEU said:

Come on... use your common sense. Economies dont change overnight. That takes years... decades.

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i have my academic knowledge , you don't , how can a capitalistic country make any significant business with a communist one? much like in Finland , the Baltic states didn´t make much businesses with USSR . what you can do just say that you WAS WRONG

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Litwin said:

i have my academic knowledge , you don't , how can a capitalistic country make any significant business with a communist one? much like in Finland , the Baltic states didn´t make much businesses with USSR . what you can do just say that you WAS WRONG

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For the love of god... the USSR was in civil war for half the freaking time Estonia was independent. You are the one dismissing that the USSR had any impact on the Estonian economy and claiming that because it became independent then it suddenly became a "rich" nation. That does not simply happen overnight. Estonia was part of Russia for hundreds of years and its economic "might" was because of that and its historical ties to the Baltic and the nations there. These things dont happen overnight and trade between Estonia and white or red Russia did not die overnight. That would have crippled the economy in Estonia or anywhere else.

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PeteEU said:

For the love of god... the USSR was in civil war for half the freaking time Estonia was independent. You are the one dismissing that the USSR had any impact on the Estonian economy and claiming that because it became independent then it suddenly became a "rich" nation. That does not simply happen overnight. Estonia was part of Russia for hundreds of years and its economic "might" was because of that and its historical ties to the Baltic and the nations there. These things dont happen overnight and trade between Estonia and white or red Russia did not die overnight. That would have crippled the economy in Estonia or anywhere else.

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no it was not, USSR was created in 1922, " civil war " ended in 1922. once again. if Muscovy (Nigeria in snow) doesn't have that much oil/gas you would see it at all today . cos they have nothing to deliver. much like P-stan, or Nigeria

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Apr 18, 2016 - Latvia's economy suffered losses of €185 billion during the soviet ... of three new books - Latvian Industry Before and After Restoration of ..."

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https://eng.lsm.lv/article/society/...an-economy-185-billion-says-research.a178769/

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peteeu said:

one small problem with your theory..

In 1922, both countries had just become independent from... Russia.

In fact both countries only real independence in their history (other than since the end of the soviet union), came between the fall of the russian empire and the start of ww2... So barely 2 decades. Before that, they were subjects of the russians for centuries, and before that.. Swedes, poles and some more russians.

So basically their whole economy, society and so on is thanks to.. Russia and sweden mostly.

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PeteEU said:

One small problem with your theory..

In 1922, both countries had just become independent from... Russia.

In fact both countries only real independence in their history (other than since the end of the Soviet Union), came between the fall of the Russian Empire and the start of WW2... so barely 2 decades. Before that, they were subjects of the Russians for centuries, and before that.. Swedes, Poles and some more Russians.

So basically their whole economy, society and so on is thanks to.. Russia and Sweden mostly.

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Livonia (Livonian: Līvõmō, Estonian: Liivimaa, German and Scandinavian languages: Livland, Latvian and Lithuanian: Livonija, Polish: Inflanty, archaic English Livland,[1] Liwlandia; Russian: Лифляндия, translit. Liflyandiya) is a historical region on the eastern shores of the Baltic Sea. Originally named after the Livonians, who lived on the shores of present-day Latvia, the term was first used to denote the area inhabited by the Livonian tribes.

By the end of the 13th century the name was extended to most of present-day Estonia and Latvia that had been conquered during the Livonian Crusade (1193–1290) by the Livonian Brothers of the Sword. Medieval Livonia, or Terra Mariana, reached its greatest extent after Saint George's Night Uprising that in 1346 forced Denmark to sell the Duchy of Estonia (northern Estonia conquered by Denmark in the 13th century) to the State of the Teutonic Order. Livonia, as understood after the retreat of Denmark in 1346, bordered on the Gulf of Finland in the north, Lake Peipus and Russia to the east, and Lithuania to the south.

As a consequence of the Livonian War in the 16th century, the territory of Livonia was reduced to the southern half of Estonia and the northern half of Latvia.

The indigenous inhabitants of Livonia were various Finnic tribes in the north and Baltic tribes in the south. The descendants of the crusaders formed the nucleus of the new ruling class of Livonia after the Livonian Crusade, and eventually became known as Baltic Germans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livonia

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Soviet Russia 1920-1921



Independent Latvia 1925

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The Investments of the USSR Occupying Power in the Baltic
Economies – Myths and Reality
Dr. hist. Gatis Krūmiņš, Researcher of Vidzeme University of Applied Sciences Institute of
Social, Economic and Humanities Research
https://va.lv/sites/default/files/lv_psrs_norekini2016_final_eng_final.pdf