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The Trump administration’s soft spot for the Confederacy

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The Trump administration’s soft spot for the Confederacy


By Eugene Scott October 31

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White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly

The Trump administration appears to have soft spot for the Confederacy. (White House Chief of Staff John) Kelly, a retired Marine Corps general, seemed to imply that the conversation is settled and that Lee's legacy is a positive one. “I would tell you that Robert E. Lee was an honorable man,” Kelly told Fox News' Laura Ingraham. “He was a man that gave up his country to fight for his state, which 150 years ago was more important than country. It was always loyalty to state first back in those days. Now it’s different today. But the lack of an ability to compromise led to the Civil War, and men and women of good faith on both sides made their stand where their conscience had them make their stand.” “I think we make a mistake, though, and as a society and certainly as, as individuals, when we take what is today accepted as right and wrong and go back 100, 200, 300 years or more and say what those, you know, what Christopher Columbus did was wrong,” he said. “You know, 500 years later, it’s inconceivable to me that you would take what we think now and apply it back then.” As some Americans, including descendants of those who fought for the Confederacy, seek to preserve the legacies of their ancestors, they rationalize the decision to fight to preserve an institution that treated black people as subhuman. But pushback to Kelly isn't solely — or even primarily — rooted in politics.

The concern with Kelly's statement is how historically inaccurate it is. One person pushing back on the legacy of the Confederacy is the Rev. Rob E. Lee, who is an indirect descendant of the Confederate general and an anti-racism activist. “It is clear to me that General Kelly sees honor in a man who fought for continued enslavement of people and chattel slavery,” Lee told the Fix. “That is, after all, what states’ rights was for. There is no honor in that to me. John Kelly would be best to keep our president from tweeting and enacting racist policies, rather than engaging in a debate over the racist past of the South.” Kelly's “both sides” equivocation is a familiar argument in the administration. Trump blamed both sides — white supremacists and anti-racism protesters — for the violence in Charlottesville. “I think there's blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it,” Trump said days after the riots. Kelly's most recent comments are a reminder that the debate over America's enslavement of black people continues in both the church and the top levels of governments. When John Kelly was brought into the White House, many Americans suspected that he would unite a team reportedly divided by tribalism and differing worldviews. Instead, some are now accusing Kelly of exacerbating the divisions existing across America — starting in the White House.

While I appreciate that Robert E. Lee embodied many of the better aspects of the southern gentleman and accrued some good deeds during his lifetime, slavery and the Civil War is where we part company. Unlike Trump and Gen. Kelly, I don't subscribe to the notion that enslaving people and treating them with equal measures of contempt and cruelty is a positive and noble endeavor. Nor do I subscribe to the notion that succession could have been acceptable to honorable patriots. No matter how much faux lipstick Kelly applies to this dark era of US history, the Civil War devastated American families and tore this great nation asunder. Rather than being an honorable exemplar of Americana, Lee willingly chose national division over unity, fought for racial subservience over universal freedom, and embraced a white supremacist state culture over the federal union. With all due respect Gen. Kelly, I can neither welcome nor endorse what you're peddling here.
 
John Kelly is wrong on the Civil War — he can't rewrite history


Gregory J. Wallance
The Hill
October 1, 2017

For a man who devoted his life to military service to the United States of America, White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly’s defense on Fox News of Confederate General Robert E. Lee was unfathomable. According to Kelly, Lee was “an honorable man” who gave up his country to fight for his state of Virginia, “which 150 years ago was more important than country. Now it’s different today.” Kelly also said that “the lack of an ability to compromise led to the Civil War, and men and women of good faith on both sides made their stand where their conscience had them make their stand.” The notion that the Civil War could have been averted by compromise, as though this was nothing more than a commercial dispute in which both sides negotiated inflexibly, doesn't hold up to historical scrutiny. The immediate cause of the Union’s breakup was the South’s insistence on the right to expand slavery to the vast western territories, which Lincoln opposed. As Lincoln pointed out with considerable moral insight, compromising the principle that there must be no territorial expansion of slavery “acknowledges that slavery has equal rights with liberty.” Thank God that Lincoln did not compromise on that principle.

Kelly can’t square his “good faith” on both sides contention with the fact that one side fought for the right to subjugate human beings like cattle while the other ultimately fought to free them. What Kelly suggests was the South’s good faith was actually the deluded rationale that the black man’s inferiority justified slavery, which one southerner termed the “painful discipline” that was “necessary for their instruction as a race.” The southerner was Robert E. Lee, himself a slave owner. As General Ulysses S. Grant, the commander of the northern armies, justifiably wrote in his memoir, Lee’s cause was “one of the worst for which a people ever fought.” By suggesting that there could have been a moral equivalence between North and South with people “ of good faith on both sides,” Kelly deprived of any meaning the sacrifice of some 600,000 lives, the total deaths on both sides. In fact, what gave those deaths meaning, what kept the Civil War from being nothing more than a pointless slaughter of young men, was the defeat of Lee’s and the other Confederate armies, which ended slavery and made us a better nation. General Kelly, you of all people, should have known that.

Well said.
 
The Trump administration’s soft spot for the Confederacy




While I appreciate that Robert E. Lee embodied many of the better aspects of the southern gentleman and accrued some good deeds during his lifetime, slavery and the Civil War is where we part company. Unlike Trump and Gen. Kelly, I don't subscribe to the notion that enslaving people and treating them with equal measures of contempt and cruelty is a positive and noble endeavor. Nor do I subscribe to the notion that succession could have been acceptable to honorable patriots. No matter how much faux lipstick Kelly applies to this dark era of US history, the Civil War devastated American families and tore this great nation asunder. Rather than being an honorable exemplar of Americana, Lee willingly chose national division over unity, fought for racial subservience over universal freedom, and embraced a white supremacist state culture over the federal union. With all due respect Gen. Kelly, I can neither welcome nor endorse what you're peddling here.

Kelly showed us what a despicable piece of **** he is with that statement. The argument that Lee was fighting for his "state" is a despicable way of masking that he was fighting to force slavery on new, western states.
 
Kelly showed us what a despicable piece of **** he is with that statement. The argument that Lee was fighting for his "state" is a despicable way of masking that he was fighting to force slavery on new, western states.

Can you link us to a comment made by Robert E. Lee saying that he was fighting to force slavery upon other states?
 
Can you link us to a comment made by Robert E. Lee saying that he was fighting to force slavery upon other states?

I didn't say that Lee said that he was fighting for that. I said that it was what he was fighting for.
 
I didn't say that Lee said that he was fighting for that. I said that it was what he was fighting for.

You claimed to know why he sided with the Confederacy. That's to say you know what was on his mind.
 
You claimed to know why he sided with the Confederacy. That's to say you know what was on his mind.

No, i'm explaining that he fought for the confederacy, rather than some noble purpose.
 
No, i'm explaining that he fought for the confederacy, rather than some noble purpose.

In his opinion, he was defending his state from invasion.
 
Can you link us to a comment made by Robert E. Lee saying that he was fighting to force slavery upon other states?

The invasion of West Virginia is a perfect example. As I recall, Robert E Lee played a rather central role in that Confederate debacle.
 
The invasion of West Virginia is a perfect example. As I recall, Robert E Lee played a rather central role in that Confederate debacle.

How is that a perfect example?
 
How is that a perfect example?

West Virginia decided they had no interest in betraying the US to preserve slavery: Lee played a key role in trying to subdue them
 
West Virginia decided they had no interest in betraying the US to preserve slavery: Lee played a key role in trying to subdue them

I still don't see your point, because the WesternVirginia Campaign took place during the summer of '61. West Virginia was admitted to the Union in June of '63.
 
I still don't see your point, because the WesternVirginia Campaign took place during the summer of '61. West Virginia was admitted to the Union in June of '63.

You don't see the point of Lee playing a key role in trying to force a group of people back under slaver rule had to do with Lee fighting for slavery? Hmm.......
 
You don't see the point of Lee playing a key role in trying to force a group of people back under slaver rule had to do with Lee fighting for slavery? Hmm.......

Do you not understand the hisorical inaccuracy of your post?
 
Kelly showed us what a despicable piece of **** he is with that statement. The argument that Lee was fighting for his "state" is a despicable way of masking that he was fighting to force slavery on new, western states.

General Lee was a product of his time. By most accounts he was a man of honor and integrity. For all I know, he may have embodied the best thinking of his time, but by any of today's measure it is just wrong. We can honor the man for who he was without endorsing the practice of slavery, just as we honor the founding fathers. Many of them were slave owners.
 
General Lee was a product of his time. By most accounts he was a man of honor and integrity. For all I know, he may have embodied the best thinking of his time, but by any of today's measure it is just wrong. We can honor the man for who he was without endorsing the practice of slavery, just as we honor the founding fathers. Many of them were slave owners.

It's not about merely owning a slave. It's about seceding from the US, becoming a foreigner and killing Americans in the name of tyranny. Not really different than a home grown terrorist today.
 
You claimed to know why he sided with the Confederacy. That's to say you know what was on his mind.

Why did Sam Houston not fight for the Confederacy ???
 
It's not about merely owning a slave. It's about seceding from the US, becoming a foreigner and killing Americans in the name of tyranny. Not really different than a home grown terrorist today.

O'Donnell's takedown of Kelly, while all factually true, was tough stuff to listen to. But so was Kelly's blatantly outrageous, irrational, racist, lying takedown of the Congresswoman ...
 
General Lee was a product of his time. By most accounts he was a man of honor and integrity. For all I know, he may have embodied the best thinking of his time, but by any of today's measure it is just wrong. We can honor the man for who he was without endorsing the practice of slavery, just as we honor the founding fathers. Many of them were slave owners.

Sure, you can honor him if you are referring to honorable things he did.

Taking a leadership position to fight for the idea that southern states should be able to force the enforcement of slavery on others doesn't qualify for honor. Instead, Kelly is perpetuating a myth that the southern states were in favor of "state's rights" when, really, they were opposed to states rights.

Most Americans do not believe that slavery was the primary cause of the civil war. More believe that disputes over states rights was the primary cause. In our haste to heal this nation, we allowed the losers to rewrite history so as to glorify themselves. And Kelly is adding fuel to that fire.
 
Do you not understand the hisorical inaccuracy of your post?

Do you not understand the fact that the Confederacy was fighting to preserve slavery? Even before Antietem they were convinced that they were fighting to preserve it. Lee played a key role in an attempt to force people to remain under the control of the slaveocracy---which failed miserably, I might add.
 
He was 68 y/o

And was treated like crap by the people of Texas, who without Sam Houston likely would have been rotting in shallow graves if Santa Anna's past treatment of rebels is anything to go on.
 
Do you not understand the fact that the Confederacy was fighting to preserve slavery? Even before Antietem they were convinced that they were fighting to preserve it. Lee played a key role in an attempt to force people to remain under the control of the slaveocracy---which failed miserably, I might add.

General Lee was defending his state from invasion.
 
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