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Confederate Statues Were Built To Further A 'White Supremacist Future'

iguanaman said:
Lee was a pompous ass who believed it was God's will that blacks become slaves. He never recanted that belief either. He also used his military prowess to cause even more deaths and suffering in that futile war he CHOSE to lead because of his belief in slavery. 40% of his fellow Virginia soldiers chose to fight for the North. May he dwell in hell forever for his sins. I am sickened by the thought that I live in a county named for that ass.

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Slavery existed since the dawn of time. Your anger at one particular individual for the sins of mankind is rather unhinged.
 
Fletch said:
Slavery existed since the dawn of time. Your anger at one particular individual for the sins of mankind is rather unhinged.
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Lee's voluntary defection and involvement in the war which likely lengthened the conflict and make him responsible for 10's of 1000's of more deaths on both sides, single Lee out as the worst of the worst. He was nearly hanged and certainly deserved at least that punishment. At least then he would not have been used to create a myth of his "kindly" manner and about the reason for the civil war. In all ways thinkable he was scum but even he would of objected to the lie that slavery and white supremacy was not what he was fighting for.
 
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Fletch said:
Slavery existed since the dawn of time. Your anger at one particular individual for the sins of mankind is rather unhinged.
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What about his part in bringing down the worst disaster that ever happened to the United States? He and his ilk fomenting the war that killed more Americans than any other? Nearly 600,000, which would be 6 or 7 million today. And a wound that still, 150+ years later , hasn't healed. That's the legacy of Lee and Davis and all the other Confederate leaders. Causing the worst disaster in American history.
 
Fletch said:
Pointing out that modern day liberals are immature hardly means that I fear them. But I am not sure why you pretend that modern day liberals aren't the ones demanding that things they don't like be destroyed, Taliban style.
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They simply demand that statues erected to glorify the debasing of an entire race of people be destroyed. Frankly, these are the statues the Taliban would keep.

A right-wing zealot tries to compare anyone else to the Taliban? Hilarious.


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VanceMack said:
Rebut....someone in 2017 trying to re-fight the civil war? Sorry...I dont have time for that kind of stupidity. You are the problem. You...people like you...you are INVESTED in hatred.
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Lol, are you being purposefully ironic? "Invested in hatred"? No, that would be whatever funds were invested in glorifying "heroes" who fought for slavery and the destruction of a nation.


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Garydog said:
Lol, are you being purposefully ironic? "Invested in hatred"? No, that would be whatever funds were invested in glorifying "heroes" who fought for slavery and the destruction of a nation.


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Its truly pathetic that that sad rhetoric is all you have. Seriously. You are so full of your hatred towards people you dont know and know nothing about that all you can see is 'racist'. more sad that you and people like you are so full of hatred that you would intentionally foment hatred and anger. You really arent any different than the klansmen and white supremacists that march with the intent to inflame and stir hatred.

Just...sad.
 
iguanaman said:
Lee's voluntary defection and involvement in the war which likely lengthened the conflict and make him responsible for 10's of 1000's of more deaths on both sides, single Lee out as the worst of the worst. He was nearly hanged and certainly deserved at least that punishment. At least then he would not have been used to create a myth of his "kindly" manner and about the reason for the civil war. In all ways thinkable he was scum but even he would of objected to the lie that slavery and white supremacy was not what he was fighting for.
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Grand Mal said:
What about his part in bringing down the worst disaster that ever happened to the United States? He and his ilk fomenting the war that killed more Americans than any other? Nearly 600,000, which would be 6 or 7 million today. And a wound that still, 150+ years later , hasn't healed. That's the legacy of Lee and Davis and all the other Confederate leaders. Causing the worst disaster in American history.
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Somehow the people who actually fought and suffered in the Civil War managed to reconcile with him. You cant. 150 years removed your phony outrage and anger are personal problems that you have to face. If taking down these monuments would actually satisfy you angry leftists, I might actually get behind it just to shut you up. But nothing satisfies you. Once these monuments are gone you will simply move on to the next micro-outrage that sweeps your party.

But I will take you seriously when you demand that any monument to the war criminals of the 20th century are pulled down. You know, FDR, Truman, Kennedy and LBJ for starters. If you can live with their statues you can live with anything.
 
Fletch said:
Somehow the people who actually fought and suffered in the Civil War managed to reconcile with him. You cant. 150 years removed your phony outrage and anger are personal problems that you have to face. If taking down these monuments would actually satisfy you angry leftists, I might actually get behind it just to shut you up. But nothing satisfies you. Once these monuments are gone you will simply move on to the next micro-outrage that sweeps your party.

But I will take you seriously when you demand that any monument to the war criminals of the 20th century are pulled down. You know, FDR, Truman, Kennedy and LBJ for starters. If you can live with their statues you can live with anything.
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And you inconceivable defense of statues virtually made out of hate says much about you. These abominations were purchased with public money and placed on public land, if local govts. want to remove them who are you to object? The same goes for any statues or memorials, they are all displayed at the pleasure of the public and their representatives. You are the one who can not face the truth about the Confederate statues, they are a corruption of history and are offensive to an entire race of Americans as is the false "myth" of a "kindly" General Lee.
 
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iguanaman said:
And you inconceivable defense of statues virtually made out of hate says much about you. These abominations were purchased with public money and placed on public land, if local govts. want to remove them who are you to object? The same goes for any statues or memorials, they are all displayed at the pleasure of the public and their representatives. You are the one who can not face the truth about the Confederate statues, they are a corruption of history and are offensive to an entire race of Americans as is the false "myth" of a "kindly" General Lee.
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Please. This is manufactured liberal outrage. Nothing more. Like spoiled children, you will get your way then move on to the next micro-outrage that requires the moral pruning of the sanctimonious left. Who will survive? What statue will remain standing? Answer: none. Even liberal giants like FDR, Truman, JFK and LBJ cant pass the purity tests of the modern left. As with every other bad idea, you will wind up eating your own.
 
Fletch said:
Please. This is manufactured liberal outrage. Nothing more. Like spoiled children, you will get your way then move on to the next micro-outrage that requires the moral pruning of the sanctimonious left. Who will survive? What statue will remain standing? Answer: none. Even liberal giants like FDR, Truman, JFK and LBJ cant pass the purity tests of the modern left. As with every other bad idea, you will wind up eating your own.
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The removal of old (historic) monuments is a great (and really inexpensive) feel good measure to help keep the votes of the "victims" of them but does nothing to help those poor, undereducated folks become self sufficient.
 
Nothing is stopping peeps from putting up statue's to supposed heroes like Lee, Johnson, Forrest on their own property.

But that kinda ruins the intimidation effect of having them on pedestals in front of state houses, county seats, court houses etc.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Nothing is stopping peeps from putting up statue's to supposed heroes like Lee, Johnson, Forrest on their own property.

But that kinda ruins the intimidation effect of having them on pedestals in front of state houses, county seats, court houses etc.
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And statues of Christopher Columbus? Who is intimidated by them?
 
iguanaman said:
Lee's voluntary defection and involvement in the war which likely lengthened the conflict and make him responsible for 10's of 1000's of more deaths on both sides, single Lee out as the worst of the worst. He was nearly hanged and certainly deserved at least that punishment. At least then he would not have been used to create a myth of his "kindly" manner and about the reason for the civil war. In all ways thinkable he was scum but even he would of objected to the lie that slavery and white supremacy was not what he was fighting for.
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He was fighting for his home state not for slavery and if his home state had decided to remain with the union he would had remain with the union.
 
BillRM said:
He was fighting for his home state not for slavery and if his home state had decided to remain with the union he would had remain with the union.
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Yet fully 40% of Virginia's military officers stayed with the Union.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The removal of old (historic) monuments is a great (and really inexpensive) feel good measure to help keep the votes of the "victims" of them but does nothing to help those poor, undereducated folks become self sufficient.
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Why does it seem you guys always support racists? Maybe that is REALLY why you lost minority votes?
 
Fletch said:
Please. This is manufactured liberal outrage. Nothing more. Like spoiled children, you will get your way then move on to the next micro-outrage that requires the moral pruning of the sanctimonious left. Who will survive? What statue will remain standing? Answer: none. Even liberal giants like FDR, Truman, JFK and LBJ cant pass the purity tests of the modern left. As with every other bad idea, you will wind up eating your own.
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LOL "Purity tests"? All that has happened is that local Govts. have actually looked around at their infrastructure and said WTF are these monuments to the Confederacy doing here? You are the ones making a stink out of it and it makes you look like racists on the side of the KKK and Nazi's.
 
iguanaman said:
Why does it seem you guys always support racists? Maybe that is REALLY why you lost minority votes?
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Yep, removing those racist statues will absolutely help minorities prosper. ;)
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, removing those racist statues will absolutely help minorities prosper. ;)
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LOL Since when is that a priority with the Right?
Removing racist statues improves the image of the towns that no longer tolerate racism. They are anachronisms who's purpose no longer applies. The fact that you can't see that shows you live in the past.
 
iguanaman said:
LOL Since when is that a priority with the Right?
Removing racist statues improves the image of the towns that no longer tolerate racism. They are anachronisms who's purpose no longer applies. The fact that you can't see that shows you live in the past.
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Nope, it shows that my behavior, and I suspect that of most others, will not change one bit based on the presence/absence of monuments (of any kind) in public spaces.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Nope, it shows that my behavior, and I suspect that of most others, will not change one bit based on the presence/absence of monuments (of any kind) in public spaces.
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So why the fuss if local Govt. want to remove the ugly things? Like I said , I can only think you miss racism. That is the "history" you are protecting. Look who is also on your side. It is the side of hate.
 
iguanaman said:
LOL "Purity tests"? All that has happened is that local Govts. have actually looked around at their infrastructure and said WTF are these monuments to the Confederacy doing here?
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That's not true at all. This is a national movement that is using violence, smears and intimidation to get their way. You demonstrate the practice well in your next sentence.
You are the ones making a stink out of it and it makes you look like racists on the side of the KKK and Nazi's.
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The first half of the sentence is demonstrably false since it is your side marching in the streets and tearing down relics that you think offend you. That you smear those who disagree with what you are doing as 'racists on the side of the KKk and Nazis' just shows a remarkable level of dishonesty and hatred. You might as well toss in historical ignorance on your part as well if you think that Union war heroes were somehow not racists themselves. You examine virtually any historical figure close enough, and you will find reason to have their statues torn down as well.
 
JamesBY said:
Causation or coincidence? Yea, it is the former.
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Causation would be easy to prove if all the war monuments, statues and memorials in this country were built right after the war was over instead of years or decades later after a war was over. So you can't actually prove causation since a lot of war memorials,statues and monuments were built years or even decades after a was was over.
 
KevinKohler said:
Not true at all, my friend.


See, southerners weren't Americans, so we need to revise that history.
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The US government did not see it that way, which is one of the reasons why the civil war happened. They felt that states did not have the right to leave the union IE become their own country.
 
jamesrage said:
Causation would be easy to prove if all the war monuments, statues and memorials in this country were built right after the war was over instead of years or decades later after a war was over. So you can't actually prove causation since a lot of war memorials,statues and monuments were built years or even decades after a was was over.
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That was explain very clearly. They were part of the Negrophobia sweeping the country from 1880 to 1920 and the hysterically emotional push back against the CR movement.
 
JamesBY said:
That was explain very clearly. They were part of the Negrophobia sweeping the country from 1880 to 1920 and the hysterically emotional push back against the CR movement.
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There is no evidence of that. Those statues were built 15 to 55 years after the civil war was over and many of the participants in that war were still alive when those things were built. If all thee war monuments, statues and memorials in this country were built right after every war that happened except for the civil war then there might be something to the theory that the civil war monuments, statues and memorials were built to further white supremacist cause. But the fact is a lot of war memorials,statues and monuments don't get built into years or decades after the wars they memorialize is over. The National World War 2 memorial opened almost 60 years after the end of WWII. The Vietnam memorial wall was built 30 years after the Vietnam war. A lot of the Revolutionary war memorials did not get made until the late 1800s and 1900.
 
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