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What Should the US Have Done After Nazi Germany Fell?

Jredbaron96 said:
There was neither a need nor a desire to do so. The main goal of the USSR was the destruction of Nazi Germany. That had been accomplished at that point.
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Is that really true, though? I mean the Soviet Union did eventually start wars to gain territory in the following decades. It seems like they had been hit pretty hard by the war and wanted time to recover. The Soviets also had fighting with Japan to deal with, so I wonder how susceptible they were to an invasion of Eastern Europe.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
The destruction of Nazi Germany.
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And instead it was replaced with the threat of the Soviets. They essentially traded one threat for another, arguably greater one.
 
Carjosse said:
For the same reasons the allies did not want to the Soviets. Stalin greatly expanded his sphere of influence and defeated Hitler, he achieved his goal and did not want to fight the Western Allies.
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The Soviets were still fighting Japan, and it later decades the Soviets did instigate more wars. So perhaps the Soviets weren't in great shape to deal with more wars. I just wonder how susceptible they would have been to an Allied push eastward.
 
shrubnose said:
The only way that the USA could have kept the USSR out of Eastern Europe would have been by using nuclear weapons.

My guess is that idea was considered and discarded.

How would the USA beat war crimes charges if it had done that?
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It's definitely a possibility, but I'm glad it didn't come to that.

In any case Russia is pretty much out of Eastern Europe right now except the part that belongs to Russia.
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It didn't come easy, and Eastern Europe is still a mess.

P.S. Response to all: I'm not necessarily saying that the US should have invaded Poland. If I was president that would be a very tough call, especially as we'd already suffered many casualties. I just want to hypothetically discuss whether it was something that could have been done.
 
Nazi Germany was able to penetrate quite deeply into the Soviet Union, so it's not as if Russia was unstoppable and we can immediately discard all thought of war against Russia.

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phattonez said:
The Soviets were still fighting Japan, and it later decades the Soviets did instigate more wars. So perhaps the Soviets weren't in great shape to deal with more wars. I just wonder how susceptible they would have been to an Allied push eastward.
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They got what they came for, Japan was much easier pickings than the Western allies would have been. They still could have probably easily repelled an American push East due to sheer amounts of manpower.
 
phattonez said:
But you do agree with me that in the end, Western Europe actually gained nothing. Germany clearly lost, but the Soviet Union gained all of Eastern Europe. In that sense, wouldn't you say that the Soviet Union won WWII?
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The Soviets where one of the winners, but not the only one. Britain did well for itself, the US established itself as the lead power in the world. You are trying to oversimplify to make some weird point. Most if not all of the Allies did better with the end result than they would have with a war against the Soviets that they would have been by no means sure to win.
 
Redress said:
The Soviets where one of the winners, but not the only one. Britain did well for itself, the US established itself as the lead power in the world. You are trying to oversimplify to make some weird point. Most if not all of the Allies did better with the end result than they would have with a war against the Soviets that they would have been by no means sure to win.
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What did Britain get? And was the US really the lead power? Didn't we just say that they couldn't have taken on the Soviet Union with the other allies?
 
phattonez said:
Is that really true, though? I mean the Soviet Union did eventually start wars to gain territory in the following decades.
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Noy exactly. Soviet expansion after WW2 was largely done by supporting Communist forces in other states rather than by outright conquest.

It seems like they had been hit pretty hard by the war and wanted time to recover. The Soviets also had fighting with Japan to deal with, so I wonder how susceptible they were to an invasion of Eastern Europe.
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No they weren't. The Soviets had nothing to fear from the Japanese. The Western allies had to convince Stalin to move against Japan.
 
phattonez said:
And instead it was replaced with the threat of the Soviets. They essentially traded one threat for another, arguably greater one.
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Yes; but we did stop the greater evil. And we owe the millions of Red Army troops who sacrificed themselves to stop the Nazis our thanks. It's unfortunate they served a regime of great evil and a horrible dictator.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Noy exactly. Soviet expansion after WW2 was largely done by supporting Communist forces in other states rather than by outright conquest.
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Yes that's true, so I guess we don't really have a test of their strength after WWII. We do know that by the time they had invaded Afghanistan that they were pretty weak.

No they weren't. The Soviets had nothing to fear from the Japanese. The Western allies had to convince Stalin to move against Japan.
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It still drains resources, so it's not as if you have the entire Soviet military to deal with.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Yes; but we did stop the greater evil. And we owe the millions of Red Army troops who sacrificed themselves to stop the Nazis our thanks. It's unfortunate they served a regime of great evil and a horrible dictator.
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I'm not convinced that fascism was a greater threat than Communism. Communism spread to Eastern Europe, Asia, and Latin America. In the end its victims numbers tens of millions, if not more.

Given what happened after and given the underlying ideologies, Communism was the greater threat.
 
phattonez said:
What did Britain get? And was the US really the lead power? Didn't we just say that they couldn't have taken on the Soviet Union with the other allies?
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Britian certainly didn't gain a lot from WW2 from a materialistic perspective, but stopping Hitler was certainly a good thing.

The US was the superior economic power to the USSR, but the strategic situation favored the Soviets.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Britian certainly didn't gain a lot from WW2 from a materialistic perspective, but stopping Hitler was certainly a good thing.

The US was the superior economic power to the USSR, but the strategic situation favored the Soviets.
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That's my point. Western Europe gained nothing. The only winner of WWII was the Soviet Union.
 
phattonez said:
I'm not convinced that fascism was a greater threat than Communism. Communism spread to Eastern Europe, Asia, and Latin America. In the end its victims numbers tens of millions, if not more.

Given what happened after and given the underlying ideologies, Communism was the greater threat.
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Only because the Nazid were defeated. Had they won,their death count would've dwarfed the Soviets and Stalin would look like a saint compared to Hitler.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Only because the Nazid were defeated. Had they won,their death count would've dwarfed the Soviets and Stalin would look like a saint compared to Hitler.
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Nazis weren't interested in invading the world. Communists were absolutely interested in spreading their ideology across the globe.
 
phattonez said:
That's my point. Western Europe gained nothing. The only winner of WWII was the Soviet Union.
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That's a very narrowminded way of putting it. America certainly won. And for the British who had bore witness to the rise of Hitler and the invincibility of the Wehrmacht, they certainly won.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
That's a very narrowminded way of putting it. America certainly won. And for the British who had bore witness to the rise of Hitler and the invincibility of the Wehrmacht, they certainly won.
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What did the US and Britain win? What tangible benefit did they get?
 
Jredbaron96 said:
The Nazie certainly wanted to be the dominant power in the world. Had they succeeded, and the Ostfall implemented,they're death count would've been in the millions.
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Based on what? Do you think that Hitler would have gone past Europe? And remember, the death count of the Communists was in the tens of millions, so let's not understate how horrible Communism was.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
The US became the center of the world economy and undisputed super power.
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The Soviet Union seemed to be competing there for a few decades.
 
The US had the nukes. They should have bombed the hell out of the SU and kill off the communist racemixing filth
 
phattonez said:
Based on what? Do you think that Hitler would have gone past Europe? And remember, the death count of the Communists was in the tens of millions, so let's not understate how horrible Communism was.
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Hitler made it plain in his writings and speeches the desire to conquer Russia and subjugate the Slavic people as a whole. The Ost plan laid out the Nazi intentions to exterminate thr majority of the Soviet population and enslave the rest.

Once that was done, they could then change the entire racial profile of Europe.
 
phattonez said:
The Soviet Union seemed to be competing there for a few decades.
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I was reading a pretty good argument the other day that losing the adversary is what doomed the USA and the West, we fell fast into gluttony and decay, sure that were were great, when in truth already by the 80's we sorta sucked.

Then things got really bad, by delusion and I say now also willful ignorance. .

Now we are here.
 
Stupid phone keyboard.
 
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