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Huge fire ripped through Titanic before it struck iceberg, fresh evidence suggests

Re: Huge fire ripped through Titanic before it struck iceberg, fresh evidence suggest

How can this be fresh evidence? The things been on the bottom of the ocean for almost 105 years.
 
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I wonder how they know this?

Ship’s officers were reportedly under strict instruction from J Bruce Ismay, president of the company that built the ship, not to mention the desperate situation to any of the Titanic’s 2,500 passengers.
 
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I can't get to the article to read it. But I always thought the reason the Titanic sunk wasn't because of the hull, it was because the water flowed over and flooded more of the water tight compartments than the ship could handle. Just too much weight.

I forgot the exact number but I think if 4 compartments flooded it would have stayed afloat. But 5-6 flooded.
 
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From the article:

The claim was made by journalist and Titanic expert Senan Malony, who has spent more than 30 years researching the disaster.

He used little known photographs taken by the Titanic’s chief electrical engineer before it left Belfast shipyard to identify 30ft-long black marks along the front right-hand side of the hull.

Mr Malony said: “We are looking at the exact area where the iceberg stuck, and we appear to have a weakness or damage to the hull in that specific place, before she even left Belfast”.
 
Re: Huge fire ripped through Titanic before it struck iceberg, fresh evidence suggest

From the article:

The claim was made by journalist and Titanic expert Senan Malony, who has spent more than 30 years researching the disaster.

He used little known photographs taken by the Titanic’s chief electrical engineer before it left Belfast shipyard to identify 30ft-long black marks along the front right-hand side of the hull.

Mr Malony said: “We are looking at the exact area where the iceberg stuck, and we appear to have a weakness or damage to the hull in that specific place, before she even left Belfast”.

Well they need to get down there and get hull samples of where it was breached, send them off to a metallurgist. Photo's alone aren't going to cut it.
 
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1st they'd have to prove a weaken hull made a difference. For 100 years no one really argued that the hull was the problem because they way the berg sideswiped the side of the ship any ship built at that time the hull would have ripped open.
 
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1st they'd have to prove a weaken hull made a difference. For 100 years no one really argued that the hull was the problem because they way the berg sideswiped the side of the ship any ship built at that time the hull would have ripped open.

even the article says no

"Was it a life-changer? It’s my personal opinion that it didn’t make a difference”

the damaged hull could've made the difference had it collided head on though. It's long been argued that had they not turned at the last minute, had the ship crashed head first, it would not have sunk. But with up to 75% reduced watertight protection, it probably would have

it's just another added evidence of criminal negligence on behalf of the company that wanted to profit from a perfect 1st voyage (no delays either). In the movie, the Ismay character is presented as a saint free of any blame, but according to this article, he's the one who ordered the cover up
 
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it's just another added evidence of criminal negligence on behalf of the company that wanted to profit from a perfect 1st voyage (no delays either). In the movie, the Ismay character is presented as a saint free of any blame, but according to this article, he's the one who ordered the cover up

Yes White Star lines put profit in front of safety, even before this new 'evidence'(if it is true) that's obvious. But I don't remember the Bruce Ismay character being portrayed as a saint in the movie, I remember just the opposite.
 
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Well they need to get down there and get hull samples of where it was breached, send them off to a metallurgist. Photo's alone aren't going to cut it.

According to what I have read the metal plates were not breached, the rivets popped and the plates came apart. There is evidence of substandard rivets being used though.
In Weak Rivets, a Possible Key to Titanic’s Doom - The New York Times
 
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The claim is "fresh evidence that the Titanic’s hull may have been crippled by a massive blaze that burned unchecked for almost three weeks immediately behind the spot where it was later pierced."

Huge fire ripped through Titanic before it struck iceberg, fresh evidence suggests

Interesting, perhaps as time goes by we will get more concrete evidence. It's very hard for me to imagine a ship putting out to sea with a "Huge Fire" burning aboard. I realize in 1912 there were very little safety regulations and probably what there were was not rigidly enforced.
 
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Yes White Star lines put profit in front of safety, even before this new 'evidence'(if it is true) that's obvious. But I don't remember the Bruce Ismay character being portrayed as a saint in the movie, I remember just the opposite.

nvm i was thinking of Andrews
 
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According to what I have read the metal plates were not breached, the rivets popped and the plates came apart. There is evidence of substandard rivets being used though.
In Weak Rivets, a Possible Key to Titanic’s Doom - The New York Times

That's an interesting article.
One advantage of a riveted hull is that a gash will stop at a riveted seam but continue across a weld. The article says that the rivets in the bow and stern sections were made of lesser quality iron- more slag content- than those in the midsections of the hull and that the plates weren't torn by the iceberg but the seams opened up when the rivets failed.
Sounds easy to confirm, if that's the case, now they know what to look for.
 
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I read that today too, that the stern and bow rivets were made of iron, and it was in the bow that the Titanic took the hit. The 2008 NY Times article I've excerpted below notes that the rival Cunard line had already switched to steel for ships such as the Lusitania:
The company also faced shortages of skilled riveters, the archives showed. Dr. McCarty said that for a half year, from late 1911 to April 1912, when the Titanic set sail, the company’s board discussed the problem at every meeting. For instance, on Oct. 28, 1911, Lord William Pirrie, the company’s chairman, expressed concern over the lack of riveters and called for new hiring efforts.

In their research, the scientists, who are metallurgists, found that good riveting took great skill. The iron had to be heated to a precise cherry red color and beaten by the right combination of hammer blows. Mediocre work could hide problems. In Weak Rivets, a Possible Key to Titanic’s Doom - The New York Times
 
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This is False News bull**** with a vengeance.

Teenagers in Macedonia or some goddam place trying to scam up some internet ad money, compliments of ignoramuses who couldn't tell you when Titanic went down within two centuries.

FYI the Titanic wreck has been extensively examined by the great oceanographer Robert Ballard

If any goddam fire had sunk her Ballard would have noticed it.
 
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Burning coal produces a ****load of smoke. I'm puzzled how a fire in the bunkers could go that unnoticed.
 
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The following documentary provides quite a different scenario. It wasn't the Titanic that went down but her sister ship, the Olympic.

Titanic The Shocking Truth 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGp4c3vPxtI
 
Re: Huge fire ripped through Titanic before it struck iceberg, fresh evidence suggest

Burning coal produces a ****load of smoke. I'm puzzled how a fire in the bunkers could go that unnoticed.

Off course. The theory is nonsense.
 
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If any goddam fire had sunk her Ballard would have noticed it.

The fire may have been why Captain Smith was in a hurry to get to New York and ignored the ice warnings he received in the early evening of April 14, 1912.

If he had heeded them and slowed down the ship would never have struck the iceberg.
 
Re: Huge fire ripped through Titanic before it struck iceberg, fresh evidence suggest

Any ship doing 20 knots regardless of welded or riveted seams is going to rip open.

The Titanic's design is what killed her.

Extremely cold water combined with brittle steel, and lax "old school"compartmentalization.

Most ships of today would survive a similar collision due to better compartmentalization and higher quality steel that will deform before tearing. (plasticity of steel)
 
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The fire may have been why Captain Smith was in a hurry to get to New York and ignored the ice warnings he received in the early evening of April 14, 1912.

If he had heeded them and slowed down the ship would never have struck the iceberg.
Smith was in a hurry because he wanted to set a record time for the crossing.
 
Re: Huge fire ripped through Titanic before it struck iceberg, fresh evidence suggest

Interesting, perhaps as time goes by we will get more concrete evidence. It's very hard for me to imagine a ship putting out to sea with a "Huge Fire" burning aboard. I realize in 1912 there were very little safety regulations and probably what there were was not rigidly enforced.

It was probably a fire in a coal bunker.
 
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Smith was in a hurry because he wanted to set a record time for the crossing.

That is what we were told before the fire evidence came forth.

Smith was a distinguished Captain. He was on his last sailing and had nothing to prove.

Job security? He was retiring, so it is doubtful that White Star pressured him to run the ship like he did.

No, Smith wouldn't been wreckless for a record, but he might have for a fire.
 
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That is what we were told before the fire evidence came forth.

Smith was a distinguished Captain. He was on his last sailing and had nothing to prove.

Job security? He was retiring, so it is doubtful that White Star pressured him to run the ship like he did.

No, Smith wouldn't been wreckless for a record, but he might have for a fire.

It is reasonable to consider that Smith might have been eager to end his career by setting a new record.

Furthermore, the ship owner was on board no doubt spurring him on.

Furthermore, if your ship is on fire the need for to broadcast a constant stream of SOS messages in blindingly obvious.

No doubt there is a long list of additional "furthermores"; I'll let someone else have a go with them since I tire easily of these crackpot revisionist scenarios and histories such as posed by OP. Adios.
 
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