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Was our Founders view of history Republican?

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Sure here are some quoted from Jefferson to prove it:


That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves.
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The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.

The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.

“I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.”
― James Madison


" 16)the natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to grain ground; that the greater the government the stronger the exploiter and the weaker the producer; that , therefore, the hope of liberty depends upon local self-16)governance and the vigilance of the producer class."


-17)A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor (read-taxes) and bread it has earned -- 18)this is the sum of good government.

-19)Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.

-20)History, in general, only informs us of what bad government is.

-21)I own that I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive.

-22)I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

-23)My reading of history convinces me that bad government results from too much government.

-24)Our country is now taking so steady a course as to show by what road it will pass to destruction, to wit: by consolidation of power first, and then corruption, its necessary consequence.

-25)Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the form of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question.

-26)The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive.

-27)Most bad government has grown out of too much government.

-28)Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread.

-29)Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms [of government] those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.


"The rights of the people to the exercise and fruits of their own industry can never be protected against the selfishness of rulers
not subject to their control at short periods." --Thomas 36:Jefferson
to Isaac H. Tiffany, 1816.


"To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father's has acquired too much, in order to spare to
others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of
association--the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it." --38)Thomas Jefferson: Note
in Tracy's "Political Economy," 1816.


"The merchants will manage [commerce] the better, the more they are left free to manage for themselves." --39)Thomas Jefferson to Gideon Granger, 1800.



"Agriculture, manufactures, commerce and navigation, the four pillars of our prosperity, are the most thriving when left most free to individual enterprise. Protection from casual embarrassments, however, may sometimes be seasonably interposed." --52)Thomas Jefferson: 1st Annual Message, 1801. ME 3:337
 
I just looked up the first one, and sure enough, it was not ever said by Jefferson. Fact check those chain emails.,
 
Your source says it is not Jefferson...

liar!!!! What not use opportunity to learn what your country stands for and why it grew to be greatest in human history!!


it says:
Comments: Although the ideas expressed in this quotation may be in line with Jefferson's opinions to some extent, the exact phrasing is almost certainly not Jefferson's. However, this quotation has been associated with the ideological descendants of Jefferson's Democratic-Republican party for a very long time (see above), and this is likely why it ultimately came to be attributed to him. Merrill Peterson even referred to the quotation as a "Jeffersonian maxim" in The Jefferson Image in the American Mind (1960).4
 
liar!!!! What not use opportunity to learn what your country stands for and why it grew to be greatest in human history!!


it says:
Comments: Although the ideas expressed in this quotation may be in line with Jefferson's opinions to some extent, the exact phrasing is almost certainly not Jefferson's. However, this quotation has been associated with the ideological descendants of Jefferson's Democratic-Republican party for a very long time (see above), and this is likely why it ultimately came to be attributed to him. Merrill Peterson even referred to the quotation as a "Jeffersonian maxim" in The Jefferson Image in the American Mind (1960).4


And now you quote your source saying he did not say it...
 
And now you quote your source saying he did not say it...


far more importantly here are some quotes from Jefferson and Madison that express the American philosophy of freedom with which Democrats 100% disagree.



Thomas Jefferson:
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."

Thomas Jefferson:
The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.

“I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.”
― James Madison
 
liar!!!! What not use opportunity to learn what your country stands for and why it grew to be greatest in human history!!


it says:
Comments: Although the ideas expressed in this quotation may be in line with Jefferson's opinions to some extent, the exact phrasing is almost certainly not Jefferson's. However, this quotation has been associated with the ideological descendants of Jefferson's Democratic-Republican party for a very long time (see above), and this is likely why it ultimately came to be attributed to him. Merrill Peterson even referred to the quotation as a "Jeffersonian maxim" in The Jefferson Image in the American Mind (1960).4

Uh, it's a dead link dude.

But...
Although the ideas expressed in this quotation may be in line with Jefferson's opinions to some extent, the exact phrasing is almost certainly not Jefferson's.

So how is that Jefferson's quote then?
 
far more importantly here are some quotes from Jefferson and Madison that express the American philosophy of freedom with which Democrats 100% disagree.



Thomas Jefferson:
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."

Thomas Jefferson:
The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.

“I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.”
― James Madison

Name the Democrats that disagree.
 
Name the Democrats that disagree.

all Democrats obviously. the whole Democratic program is to redistribute, i.e, take away from those who work and give to those who would not. It is 100% astounding to us that you can't see that on your own.
 
Uh, it's a dead link dude.

But...

So how is that Jefferson's quote then?

Jefferson founded the Republican party with Madison in 1792 because they were very concerned that the tiny tiny govt of George Washington was growing too big. Even then the war against big liberal govt was raging. All of Jefferson's quotes reflect this.
 
Jefferson founded the Republican party with Madison in 1792 because they were very concerned that the tiny tiny govt of George Washington was growing too big. Even then the war against big liberal govt was raging. All of Jefferson's quotes reflect this.


Where do you get this stuff? Your 'knowledge' of history is even weirder than that of David Barton
 
Where do you get this stuff? Your 'knowledge' of history is even weirder than that of David Barton

In what year do you think Jefferson and Madison founded the Republican party?
 
By definition they were liberal Republicans. They believed in liberty (and some equality), and were supporters of republic form of government.
 
all Democrats obviously. the whole Democratic program is to redistribute, i.e, take away from those who work and give to those who would not. It is 100% astounding to us that you can't see that on your own.

Well, who's us for starters, and secondly, you have proof of the Democratic conspiracy? And I guess it goes back to Andrew Jackson.
 
Jefferson founded the Republican party with Madison in 1792 because they were very concerned that the tiny tiny govt of George Washington was growing too big. Even then the war against big liberal govt was raging. All of Jefferson's quotes reflect this.

Uh, Jefferson did not. We've been through that already: he founded the - Democratic Republican party. The Republican party was not founded until 1860.

And your saying that George Washing was a big liberal. Your Jefferson quotes have been shown to be suspect as well.
 
you have proof of the Democratic conspiracy?

how astounding that you need proof that Democrats are more into redistribution than Republicans? Don't read the papers at all?
 
Right; they were the flaming liberals of their time.

Actually we use definitions that are used today that way the reader is not required to learn historical definitions to communicate.

FYI classical liberals were those like JS Mill and Thomas Jefferson who wanted freedom from big govt. Liberal then meant change to limited govt. Today's liberals want the exact oppposite, i.e, constant change toward ever bigger govt as indicated by the shift from Clinton to Sanders within the Democratic party.
 
Actually we use definitions that are used today that way the reader is not required to learn historical definitions to communicate.

FYI classical liberals were those like JS Mill and Thomas Jefferson who wanted freedom from big govt. Liberal then meant change to limited govt. Today's liberals want the exact oppposite, i.e, constant change toward ever bigger govt as indicated by the shift from Clinton to Sanders within the Democratic party.

Actually we use definitions that are used today that way the reader is not required to learn historical definitions to communicate.

Er' uh - whaaat?

Historical definitions are what tells you - what people were thinking in historic times. That's important if one wishes to understand history.

The colonial liberals like Jefferson et al, were indeed the flaming liberals of their day. The Tories in favor of George III were the conservatives. What our liberals introduced, fought for and implemented had been done nowhere else in the world that drew from a liberal source of governments and principles.
 
define flaming?

Very much out there / outside the box / complete departure from the status quo.

That's what the founder were. It was only matched by the French Revolution.
 
Very much out there / outside the box / complete departure from the status quo.

That's what the founder were. It was only matched by the French Revolution.

well the founders did depart from the status quo, i agree.

but the french revolution was a democratic movement of the people, and was consumed with violence, the american revolution was not.
 
Er' uh - whaaat?

The colonial liberals like Jefferson et al, were indeed the flaming liberals of their day.

OMG!!! no no no no today when we read flaming liberal we think welfare socialism redistribution communism. Your statement would confuse modern readers not help them understand history since Jefferson was 100% opposed to welfare socialism redistribution etc etc. Now do you understand?????????
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