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Coronavirus is 'ALREADY pandemic' and 'almost impossible to eradicate' says expert

Tim the plumber

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The KungFlue is out.

Coronavirus is 'ALREADY pandemic' and 'almost impossible to eradicate' says expert
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Have some food, enough for a couple of weeks and some water in house, just in case.

Don't buy massively, just basic stuff, stuff that will last a long time. Pasta, rice etc.
 
It is not time to panic yet.

But I believe common sense preparations and precautions are in order as well.

So far this thing has shown some disturbing properties.

Asymptomatically contagious for an unknown length of time and reinfection, which means it's mutating fast.

The worst viruses are not the ones that sicken and kill quickly.

It's the ones that permeate a population before anybody knows there's an outbreak that hit healthcare systems all at once and overwhelm them.

It is not yet time to he afraid. But it is time to be paying attention.
 
Tim the plumber said:
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The KungFlue is out.



Have some food, enough for a couple of weeks and some water in house, just in case.

Don't buy massively, just basic stuff, stuff that will last a long time. Pasta, rice etc.
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Why water? Are you afraid your utilities are going to shut down?
 
Hate radio and the United States' president says it is only a cold.
 
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Why water? Are you afraid your utilities are going to shut down?
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If there is a lockdown, it is likely there will not be crews out fixing broken water mains, fixing down electric lines etc. In prepping, you figure what it is you and your's need to survive - leaving nothing off the list. Water is way up there at the top of the list. It's not like it is an expensive item to buy.

Comment: Unless you put in those toilet cakes that turn the water blue, one small emergency water supply is the toilet tank water. That is 100% drinkable.
 
Drawdown said:
Why water? Are you afraid your utilities are going to shut down?
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Water is a pretty standard emergency prep thing.

Doesn't hurt. Doesn't spoil. Doesn't cost much.

Could make all the difference.

What's not to like?
 
Drawdown said:
Why water? Are you afraid your utilities are going to shut down?
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Just a good idea.

Should there be a lot of disruption the water supply might possibly be a little intermittent.

Just stuff that it would be sensable for every house to have at all times. 2% Preper.
 
joko104 said:
If there is a lockdown, it is likely there will not be crews out fixing broken water mains, fixing down electric lines etc. In prepping, you figure what it is you and your's need to survive - leaving nothing off the list. Water is way up there at the top of the list. It's not like it is an expensive item to buy.

Comment: Unless you put in those toilet cakes that turn the water blue, one small emergency water supply is the toilet tank water. That is 100% drinkable.
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The cistern is a better bet. You don't want to drink the water from the bowl it has other people's poo in it which has a very very high chance of making you very ill.

Should the worste case ahppen that is not at all on the cards probably, just use stream water but make sure you boil it first. Kill the normal bugs. Remember this virus only seems to kill those already ill. Don't give yourself the runs.
 
We are preppers so we're ready and could lock down for basically forever and get fat at the same time.

THIS IS THE PROBLEM...

The incubation period is so long - and there also are people who can spread the virus with no symptoms, when do you decide to go reclusive and lock down? Wait for the government to announce it? Since the Mrs has a business, locking down is a BIG decision. Everyone laid off. All websites and internet listing turned off - costly placement and possibly permanently. Since the business is a hazmat location, we have full hazmat suits and some are suitable for bio-hazards.

We're trying to decide what will be the trigger by which WE would decide to stopping going into the public - but still keeping the business going while exercising precautions for all employees and ourselves (gloves, masks, goggles, increased sterilization (the businesses primary product lines are for sterilizing against virus, bacteria and fungus so we have that covered.

While we have stuff that will 100% kill all virus (some are extremely difficult and can even live in alcohol and take quite a bit of heat.) But it is likely this virus is not that tough. THE WORD IS that typical hand sanitizers do not kill this virus - though is good in general otherwise, at least better than nothing.

For economy, the best thing to use is ordinary bleach - BUT chlorine is very health damaging so you don't want to be living in a place filled with chlorine fumes (ventilate). Do not mix chlorine with any other chemical. It makes cyanide if mixed with ammonia.

Protecting your eyes is more important than your mouth and nose. Masks MOSTLY slow down how much an infected person can spread virus by reducing catching most of it and reducing the spray if a person sneezes. The virus is too small to be blocked by an N95 mask - plus it will be on the outside of the mask so how you handle the mask etc matters.

Where are most likely to pick up a virus? Door handles and shopping carts at public locations.
 
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Water is a pretty standard emergency prep thing.

Doesn't hurt. Doesn't spoil. Doesn't cost much.

Could make all the difference.

What's not to like?
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Water can go bad. If you buy bottled water it probably will be good for a very long time IF you don't open it. Once you open any container it is now contaminated. To prevent stored water going bad, put a little bit of hydrogen peroxide (it is not toxic) in it time to time (but can make the bottle swell) or a little bleach, but that's bad for you over time.
 
Tim the plumber said:

The cistern is a better bet. You don't want to drink the water from the bowl it has other people's poo in it which has a very very high chance of making you very ill.

Should the worste case ahppen that is not at all on the cards probably, just use stream water but make sure you boil it first. Kill the normal bugs. Remember this virus only seems to kill those already ill. Don't give yourself the runs.
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NOT the bowl, the rear tank.

For water from nature;
1. Filter it. A coffee filter or even paper towels will work.
2. Boiling it - if you can
3. Put in a little bit of hydrogen peroxide (preferred) or bleach (not much). Peroxide burns micro organics. Chlorine poisons it.
4. Then let it sit for a day if you can. A week is better because virus have a limited life span outside of a host and can not replicate.
5. If possible, have the water in a clear container in sunlight. UV tends to be lethal to many micro organisms.

A problem with stream, pond and lake water can be chemical contamination, not just organics.

(These questions are the primary product focus of the business and we are being flooded with phone calls about this virus and issues like I just wrote out.)
 
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I was at CVS this morning in Vacaville, CA, where a customer asked the clerk where she could find face masks. The clerk said they were sold out. The CDC reported the first unknown-origin coronavirus case in the U.S. was from a person living in my county: Solano, which is also home to Travis Air Force Base, where many of those Americans returning from China were quarantined.

I have a few face masks left over from the days we had a lot of smoke from fires in this area.
 
Tim the plumber said:
Just a good idea.

Should there be a lot of disruption the water supply might possibly be a little intermittent.

Just stuff that it would be sensable for every house to have at all times. 2% Preper.
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When you live in the country, a generator will get your well going. When you live in an urban area, water generally isn't an issue because of water towers and such. The only time we have ever been without water was due to pipes freezing and bursting. Not really an issue to worry about because a bug is going around IMO. Anyway, I have a spring that flows most of the year, so worst case scenario I am still good as far as dihydrogen monoxide.
 
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That it is water. I will stock up on cokes :shock:
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That also is calories. Add vitamin/mineral supplementation and sugar water will keep you alive are relatively healthy for a very long time. Not ideal certainly, but you live.
 
Drawdown said:
When you live in the country, a generator will get your well going. When you live in an urban area, water generally isn't an issue because of water towers and such. The only time we have ever been without water was due to pipes freezing and bursting. Not really an issue to worry about because a bug is going around IMO. Anyway, I have a spring that flows most of the year, so worst case scenario I am still good as far as dihydrogen monoxide.
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Fuel is a good thing to stockpile, particularly in the winter. If done safely, it also can be a source of heat - but be VERY careful using fuel for heat.
 
RobertU said:
I was at CVS this morning in Vacaville, CA, where a customer asked the clerk where she could find face masks.
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Face masks have very little utility. Most people don't wear them properly, or don't use masks designed to stop the flu, or reuse them. If you have a beard, you should probably forget it, since any hair will prevent a proper seal.

Lots of people who get coronavirus won't feel anything worse than a typical cold or bout with the flu.

Just wash your hands, get a flu shot, stay home from work if you don't feel well, sneeze into your elbow, keep your house clean and so on. It really isn't a big deal, unless you are elderly, immune suppressed or have similar issues.
 
I now learned from the news that the "unknown origin" coronavirus patient originally checked into a hospital less than a mile from where I live.
 
Where is the healthcare for everyone plan promised 3.5 YEARS AGO? All countries without universal healthcare (USA included) will see many potential and infected citizens unable or unwilling to seek expensive medical care until they are symptomatic or dead, and have infected who knows how many others. It is now likely there are un/under-insured American citizens (and aliens) already infected spreading the disease to others. With a largely unknown incubation period or method of transfer, lack of access to medical care and information for so many is a huge detriment to containment and/or eradication.
 
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