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Panic is starting in the USA over the coronavirus

"The toll of a seasonal-flu-like coronavirus also depends on immunity — which is also scientifically uncertain. Exposure to the four endemic coronaviruses produces immunity that lasts longer than that to influenza, Webby said, but not permanent immunity. Like respiratory syncytial virus, which can re-infect adults who had it in childhood, coronavirus immunity wanes."

"There is some evidence that people can be reinfected with the four coronaviruses and that there is no long-lasting immunity,” Dr. Susan Kline, an infectious disease specialist at of the University of Minnesota. “Like rhinoviruses [which cause the common cold], you could be infected multiple times over your life. You can mount an antibody response, but it wanes, so on subsequent exposure you don’t have protection.” Subsequent infections often produce milder illness, however."



Experts envision two scenarios if new coronavirus isn't contained - STAT


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How was coronavirus 2019 transmitted from an animal to a human? Saliva from a live animal? Body fluids from a butchered animal?

Undercooked meat? Meat kept too long, or too warm, after cooking?

Is it time to review the 42 Degree F. freshness standard for keeping cooked meat, for 3 days?

Is 180 Degree F a good internal cooked temperature for bats and Pangolin?

How long to roast at 350 F?

Should some animals wear face masks?

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A fella I know is in the medical profession as is his entire family (2 generations) including doctors and lab techs. He claims it is a bio-weapon, not the first, but that it likely will not be a huge killer in that it won't extinct the human race, but that it likely is almost always lethal. He said that masks do no good because such virus are too small to be blocked by they typical mask - and actually entry thru a person's eyes is a higher risk.. He also suspected it was designed to attack certain blood types. His opinion is don't believe anything China is saying about it.

Then again, he said there will be another and another and another. This will be happening about every year.

He also said genetically engineered bio-weapons poise a particular potential of near mass extinction because being artificial many of nature's safeguards don't apply.

Summary: In his opinion it is unlikely many Americans will be infected, there is little you can do to safeguard yourself (other than washing your hands often for surface contact.) Masks only do a little to reduce it being airborne spread by someone sick, they don't protect you. Otherwise, to protect yourself you'd have to wear a full body bio-hazmat suit. I'm no expert, just repeating what he told me.
 
Curious how they are using HIV drugs to try to combat it.
 
joko104 said:
They claim 2% lethality. So in the USA that is only 6,600,000 people - or far more than killed in WW2 (1,200% more American deaths), nor than all wars the USA has ever been it combined (over 300% more) and 154,000,000 worldwide. .
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Isn't that 2 percent of those who actually contract the disease?

Are you assuming everyone will get it?

Can you link to your numbers?
 
beefheart said:
I live near Arizona State University, where there is one case. Not panicked here.

Some ninnies at the school are wearing masks, foolish.

Back during SARS, I flew to Thailand via Incheon, girl in seat next to me had a mask, and big rubber kitchen gloves! And, of course she took them off to eat.:roll:
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Not to worry, president bone spurs said "The heat, generally speaking, kills this kind of virus." You should be just fine in Arizona. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
"SAN DIEGO — In a race against the clock, a San Diego lab is scrambling to get a COVID-19 vaccine out and on the market. As the days go by, Inovio Pharmaceuticals is getting closer to releasing the desperately needed vaccine against the deadly virus.

Inovio Pharmaceuticals, which is located in Sorrento Valley, has also created a vaccine for the Zika virus, the Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS), and the vaccine for Ebola"

San Diego lab discovers COVID-19 vaccine in 3 hours | cbs8.com


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How does Trump manage the availability of personal protective gear? For medical staff? For the public?
 
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We need to panic. I bet all those people in quarantine are getting free health care, food and housing. Damn it, that's socialism!
 
RobertU said:
We need to panic. I bet all those people in quarantine are getting free health care, food and housing. Damn it, that's socialism!
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Many millions of American might well die from this bug over the next few years, in part because our very expensive medical system is so weak from mismanagement that it will likely collapse immediately..... I find your post deeply offensive.
 
What percentage of people with a fever should be admitted to a hospital?

What percentage of people with CONOV 19 survive without hospital care?

How does the decision get made on hospitalization?
 
So after the fever starts, a second period of contagiousness begins, following the period of contagiousness with no symptoms or fever.

Then is there a period of contagiousness after the fever peaks? Is the COVID-19 still contagious until the fever has completely subsided?

Is there still contagiousness for another period of days? 7? 14? How Many days of quarantine are needed after fever has gone?



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Is there a metaphor or analogy that can describe the difference between contagious, and no longer contagious, CoVid-19?

Maybe like the COvid-19 virus needs to be able to bench press 150 Pounds to infect a human.

Maybe as the disease takes its course, the human body defenses weaken the virus. So the virus is still there, just too weak to cause infection, Maybe?

Some virus cells have layers of protection. Maybe if a covid-19 has only two layers, it cannot infect another human.


What actually happens to the Covid-19 virus after a human is no longer transmitting infection?



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Perhaps a useful analogy of viral infection is that a virus infection can be transmitted to another saliva creature, if the particular virus is active in the host. In COVID-19, the virus can be transmitted during the early stages before a fever appears.

The host patient begins to be cured, once the patient forms enough capacity to make White Blood cells, capable of absorbing cells with COVID-19, but is still contagious. Once the patient has absorbed all the cells with COVID-19, the patient is cured, and no longer has any COVID-19 to transmit. There ma be some details of percentages to be determined.

If a cured patient receives saliva contaminated with COVID-19, then the White blood cell production for absorbing cells with COVID-19, goes into sufficient production.

Coronavirus disease 2019 - Wikipedia

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 - Wikipedia

Types and Function of White Blood Cells (WBCs)


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Just 3 1/2 weeks later from when I started this thread...
The number of cases in S Korea grew from 5 to over 1,000. The death toll in China is over 2,000, and it is being discussed literally on OUR Armed Services Committee in Congress trying to determine the thread and even start discussing deploying the National Guard if a quarantine is ordered. It has been discussed in Congress with some suggesting the number of infections and deaths in China is "8 to 10 times" greater than China has reported. There are now cases around the USA. The stock market just crashed 1000 points.

Still think this thread was nothing but no-basis fear mongering and that nothing could come from this?

I wonder if any of the candidates for office are starting to question going into mobs of people shaking hands? I wonder if Trump, who admits he is a germaphob, will stop doing rallies? If on Democratic presidential candidate in the debates gets it, maybe they all would.

If this continues to grow, it could seriously affect the election in many ways.
 
joko104 said:
Just 3 1/2 weeks later from when I started this thread...
The number of cases in S Korea grew from 5 to over 1,000. The death toll in China is over 2,000, and it is being discussed literally on OUR Armed Services Committee in Congress trying to determine the thread and even start discussing deploying the National Guard if a quarantine is ordered. It has been discussed in Congress with some suggesting the number of infections and deaths in China is "8 to 10 times" greater than China has reported. There are now cases around the USA. The stock market just crashed 1000 points.

Still think this thread was nothing but no-basis fear mongering and that nothing could come from this?

I wonder if any of the candidates for office are starting to question going into mobs of people shaking hands? I wonder if Trump, who admits he is a germaphob, will stop doing rallies? If on Democratic presidential candidate in the debates gets it, maybe they all would.

If this continues to grow, it could seriously affect the election in many ways.
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I was looking for a map or diagram showing the US and cases by location. No can find.

Fear is the biggest problem, because once people believe there are contagious people within 2or 9 miles, then they will start to restrict travel, which reduces the economy.

The precautions taken from disease avoidance, are worse on the economy, than the cure of the disease.

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Gladiator said:
I was looking for a map or diagram showing the US and cases by location. No can find.

Fear is the biggest problem, because once people believe there are contagious people within 2or 9 miles, then they will start to restrict travel, which reduces the economy.

The precautions taken from disease avoidance, are worse on the economy, than the cure of the disease.

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The real problem for me is what to believe? We personally know fear is growing in the USA from shifts in sales of some products with some relation to covid-19 - though it more precautionary/preparedness than "panic."

I keep hearing it has "low lethality" - but I'm not sure I believe that - because I don't believe China. China is approaching a massive economic collapse. 2 more months of this and China's economy is in a free fall. And to some degree, we too will being falling with China - as will the entire world.

Add panic into that mix if this is a true big killer like the Spanish influenza (covid-19 is an influenza)? It could cause a quasi dystopian police-state society at least for a while. I don't know about you, but I definitely hope NOTHING that happens.
 
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