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    Welcome to the Meat Wars

    It's getting hard to differentiate science from advocacy, especially when money is involved.


    The Meat Wars: JAMA Stirs the Pot

    Guest Essay by Kip Hansen — 20 January 2020 Rita Rubin, Senior Writer, JAMA Medical News & Perspectives, has stirred the pot on the controversy surrounding a series of studies published last Fall in the Annals of Internal Medicine, “one of the most widely cited and influential specialty medical journals in the world.” Her …
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    Rita Rubin, Senior Writer, JAMA Medical News & Perspectives, has stirred the pot on the controversy surrounding a series of studies published last Fall in the Annals of Internal Medicine, “one of the most widely cited and influential specialty medical journals in the world.” Her latest piece, titled “Backlash Over Meat Dietary Recommendations Raises Questions About Corporate Ties to Nutrition Scientists”, appeared in JAMA online on 15 January 2020. It begins with this:
    “It’s almost unheard of for medical journals to get blowback for studies before the data are published. But that’s what happened to the Annals of Internal Medicine last fall as editors were about to post several studies showing that the evidence linking red meat consumption with cardiovascular disease and cancer is too weak to recommend that adults eat less of it.
    Annals Editor-in-Chief Christine Laine, MD, MPH, saw her inbox flooded with roughly 2000 emails—most bore the same message, apparently generated by a bot—in a half hour. Laine’s inbox had to be shut down, she said. Not only was the volume unprecedented in her decade at the helm of the respected journal, the tone of the emails was particularly caustic.
    “We’ve published a lot on firearm injury prevention,” Laine said. “The response from the NRA (National Rifle Association) was less vitriolic than the response from the True Health Initiative.”. . .

    The JAMA article by Rita Rubin is a great deal more even handed. She states bluntly:
    “But what has for the most part been overlooked is that Katz and THI and many of its council members [which includes Frank Hu and Walter Willett] have numerous industry ties themselves. The difference is that their ties are primarily with companies and organizations that stand to profit if people eat less red meat and a more plant-based diet. Unlike the beef industry, these entities are surrounded by an aura of health and wellness, although that isn’t necessarily evidence-based.”. . . .

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    Re: Welcome to the Meat Wars

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It's getting hard to differentiate science from advocacy, especially when money is involved.
    That being the only original contribution in an elaborate shill for a conspiracy blog (the same blog Jack has shilled a thousand times) is funny.

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    Re: Welcome to the Meat Wars

    Credit to WUWT for expanding into healthcare when it helps the conspiracy theory.

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    Re: Welcome to the Meat Wars

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Credit to WUWT for expanding into healthcare when it helps the conspiracy theory.
    Your ignorance is embarrassing.
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    Re: Welcome to the Meat Wars

    www.cgiar.org › News & Events › News

    The meat wars: A backlash is occurring on the ... - CGIAR









    5 days ago - Roy Lichenstein, Standing Rib (via Wikiart). On 19 Nov 2019, guidelines were published in the Annals of Internal Medicine that caused a ...
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    Re: Welcome to the Meat Wars

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    www.cgiar.org › News & Events › News

    The meat wars: A backlash is occurring on the ... - CGIAR







    5 days ago - Roy Lichenstein, Standing Rib (via Wikiart). On 19 Nov 2019, guidelines were published in the Annals of Internal Medicine that caused a ...

    Scroll over the links in your shill job OP.

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    Re: Welcome to the Meat Wars

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Scroll over the links in your shill job OP.
    The controversy is real.
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    Re: Welcome to the Meat Wars

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The JAMA article by Rita Rubin is a great deal more even handed. She states bluntly:

    “But what has for the most part been overlooked is that Katz and THI and many of its council members [which includes Frank Hu and Walter Willett] have numerous industry ties themselves. The difference is that their ties are primarily with companies and organizations that stand to profit if people eat less red meat and a more plant-based diet. Unlike the beef industry, these entities are surrounded by an aura of health and wellness, although that isn’t necessarily evidence-based.”. . . .
    Industries ties don't necessarily mean biased research, but it does seem (based on the JAMA article) that Dr. Katz in particular is intractably conflicted and is going well beyond the appropriate limits of his profession to quash contrary research, particularly the studies by Dr. Johnston et al.'s group.

    Suffice it to say that if the claims in the article are true (a big 'if' these days, unfortunately), then I agree the THI is solidly in the wrong here, no matter their intentions.

    The grand irony being that nobody but nobody who likes red meat gives a damn what nutritionists think of red meat, hence all the backing-and-forthing in the research is largely moot.

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    Re: Welcome to the Meat Wars

    Vegans can be as vegan as they like.

    I'm still gonna eat the hell out of this ham sandwich.
    Giraffes can't enjoy coffee because it's cold by the time it reaches their stomach. But you never think about that, because you only think about yourself.

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    Re: Welcome to the Meat Wars

    The chancellor at Texas A&M “sent Harvard’s president an open letter calling for an investigation into Harvard scientists whose actions he said ‘are false and harmful to Texas A&M University and its faculty.'”
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