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    If Medicare for All is so bad, what should Americans have instead?

    I am not sure what to think about Medicare for All - whether it specifically is the right idea or something else should be made up by the federal government. But this much is clear: private health insurance companies are to blame for millions of patients not getting what they need every day. Conservatives are constantly criticizing the MFA proposals without offering any alternative ideas that would take for-profit insurers out of the picture. What is wrong with MFA and what is a better single player plan for American health care? (Note: Universal health care coverage is an obligation the government has to serve the American people, so nothing involving private insurance companies will be accepted.)
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    Re: If Medicare for All is so bad, what should Americans have instead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Donkey View Post
    I am not sure what to think about Medicare for All - whether it specifically is the right idea or something else should be made up by the federal government. But this much is clear: private health insurance companies are to blame for millions of patients not getting what they need every day.
    No. The fact that some of our market is partially privatized is why we have so much healthcare. Our crises is that we mostly do our over-purchasing through a socialized pre-payment system, which causes the cost of that pre-payment system to skyrocket.

    Conservatives are constantly criticizing the MFA proposals without offering any alternative ideas that would take for-profit insurers out of the picture
    Largely because we don't think we should take for profit insurers out of the picture, any more than we should remove life insurers or auto insurers.

    What is wrong with MFA and what is a better single player plan for American health care?
    1. We can't afford it.
    2. We shouldn't have a single payer program for health spending any more than we should have one for food, housing, automobiles, or movie tickets.
    3. We can't afford it.
    4. State Run Industries suck.
    5. We can't afford it.

    (Note: Universal health care coverage is an obligation the government has to serve the American people,
    No it isn't. We may decide as a nation that we want to do that, but there is no positive right to have the government go out and take stuff from someone else so that they can give it to you to spend on medical expenses.

    so nothing involving private insurance companies will be accepted.)
    Cool. That makes about as much sense as a Conservative asking you what your plan is that involves only private health insurance and no government spending.

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    Re: If Medicare for All is so bad, what should Americans have instead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Donkey View Post
    I am not sure what to think about Medicare for All - whether it specifically is the right idea or something else should be made up by the federal government. But this much is clear: private health insurance companies are to blame for millions of patients not getting what they need every day. Conservatives are constantly criticizing the MFA proposals without offering any alternative ideas that would take for-profit insurers out of the picture. What is wrong with MFA and what is a better single player plan for American health care? (Note: Universal health care coverage is an obligation the government has to serve the American people, so nothing involving private insurance companies will be accepted.)
    First, just because someone comes up with an idea doesn't mean that the opposition is duty bound to put forth a counter idea. The onus is on the side that offers the idea to make their case. If they can't, then so be it.

    More specifically I oppose medicare for all because "taxing the top 1% to pay for it" is not a viable financing option, medicare is not the greatest insurance in the world to begin with, and low reimbursement rates would drastically reduce quality of care and access to meaningful medicine. We just need to cover that last 10%. That is all.

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    Re: If Medicare for All is so bad, what should Americans have instead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Donkey View Post
    I am not sure what to think about Medicare for All - whether it specifically is the right idea or something else should be made up by the federal government. But this much is clear: private health insurance companies are to blame for millions of patients not getting what they need every day. Conservatives are constantly criticizing the MFA proposals without offering any alternative ideas that would take for-profit insurers out of the picture. What is wrong with MFA and what is a better single player plan for American health care? (Note: Universal health care coverage is an obligation the government has to serve the American people, so nothing involving private insurance companies will be accepted.)


    What happens if they implement it and it sucks? Then we're stuck with it forever.

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    Re: If Medicare for All is so bad, what should Americans have instead?

    Quote Originally Posted by swing_voter View Post
    What happens if they implement it and it sucks? Then we're stuck with it forever.
    That can be said about any health care plan. Why would you expect MFA to suck?
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    Re: If Medicare for All is so bad, what should Americans have instead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Donkey View Post
    I am not sure what to think about Medicare for All - whether it specifically is the right idea or something else should be made up by the federal government. But this much is clear: private health insurance companies are to blame for millions of patients not getting what they need every day. Conservatives are constantly criticizing the MFA proposals without offering any alternative ideas that would take for-profit insurers out of the picture. What is wrong with MFA and what is a better single player plan for American health care? (Note: Universal health care coverage is an obligation the government has to serve the American people, so nothing involving private insurance companies will be accepted.)
    Why should people who are happy with their insurance be forced into such a folly?
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    Re: If Medicare for All is so bad, what should Americans have instead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luther View Post
    Why should people who are happy with their insurance be forced into such a folly?
    Why do you think it is a folly?

    You probably are the healthiest person alive if you don't pay thousands of dollars a year to a health insurance company that only cares about the bottom line or have Medicare.
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    Re: If Medicare for All is so bad, what should Americans have instead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Donkey View Post
    Why do you think it is a folly?

    You probably are the healthiest person alive if you don't pay thousands of dollars a year to a health insurance company that only cares about the bottom line or have Medicare.
    You did a great job of not answering(LOL)

    Again, why should people who get their healthcare through their employer now have to pay?
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    Re: If Medicare for All is so bad, what should Americans have instead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Donkey View Post
    That can be said about any health care plan. Why would you expect MFA to suck?
    The same reason that the federal government mandating $1 hamburgers would suck. Sure it would be great to have the all mighty federal government simply mandtate that medical procedure X will now cost 50% (or 60%) less, but that is not to say that medical care providers will jump at the chance to make 50% (or 60%) less.
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    Re: If Medicare for All is so bad, what should Americans have instead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luther View Post
    You did a great job of not answering(LOL)

    Again, why should people who get their healthcare through their employer now have to pay?
    They already do. Medicare is listed on their pay stubs IIRC.

    One of the problems with private health insurance is what happens after people lose their jobs or resign. Now what health insurance do they have? Their next employer could be contracted with a different health insurance company, forcing them to start over to get a new doctor, all medications covered, etc. With a single-payer system nobody would have to waste time switching from one company to another like this. Every time it happened to me, I went months without one of my medications before it was approved by the next health insurance company. Who would not like the ability to keep the same health insurance everywhere without being tied to their jobs?
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