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    Re: If Medicare for All is so bad, what should Americans have instead?

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    Re: If Medicare for All is so bad, what should Americans have instead?

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    If Medicare for All is so bad, what should Americans have instead? the Lancet
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That's about as neat an encapsulation of our times as anything else I've seen.
    You misread it. It doesn't mean 'there will be no Medicare Part D because Bush created it', it means 'there will not be the Medicare Part D program Bush created as a corrupt reward giving hundreds of billions in windfall profits to the drug companies to reward them for being the biggest donors to Republicans, requiring the government pay full list price for all drugs in the program'.

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    Re: If Medicare for All is so bad, what should Americans have instead?

    Craig, I also was thinking about the doughnut holes and limitations on which drugs are covered.

    The first time Sherrod Brown ran for the U.S. Senate, he said it was because of Medicare Part D.
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    Re: If Medicare for All is so bad, what should Americans have instead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    You misread it. It doesn't mean 'there will be no Medicare Part D because Bush created it', it means 'there will not be the Medicare Part D program Bush created as a corrupt reward giving hundreds of billions in windfall profits to the drug companies to reward them for being the biggest donors to Republicans, requiring the government pay full list price for all drugs in the program'.
    Where did you come up with this "hundreds of billiond in windfall profits to drug companies". I call this number bogus. The amount you stated is larger than ALL the profit made by pharma.

    While the program along with ACA was poorly thought out,does not people here license to make numbers up.

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    Re: If Medicare for All is so bad, what should Americans have instead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Donkey View Post
    Craig, I also was thinking about the doughnut holes and limitations on which drugs are covered.

    The first time Sherrod Brown ran for the U.S. Senate, he said it was because of Medicare Part D.
    You're right, but some of that was fixed under Obama.

    The negotiation clause Republicans added was not. What I was saying he misread, was that he misread your saying no more 'as it was passed by Bush' to mean 'they'd get rid of it simply because Bush had passed it', rather than what you were actually saying, the program's flaws Bush did would be ended.

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    Re: If Medicare for All is so bad, what should Americans have instead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    Yes, the most respected Medical publication in the world.
    This would be the same publication that took every single rumor of a casualty and called it a high confidence when tallying up the Iraqi war dead, and who claim that "people who lose their lives due to lack of insurance" can be defined as "anyone who, at any point, has lacked insurance, and who died within a few years of that occurring"?

    Those claims have been - repeatedly - debunked.

    Lancet knows what they want the result to be, and they are willing to do what they have to in order to get it
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    Re: If Medicare for All is so bad, what should Americans have instead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    You misread it. It doesn't mean 'there will be no Medicare Part D because Bush created it', it means 'there will not be the Medicare Part D program Bush created as a corrupt reward giving hundreds of billions in windfall profits to the drug companies to reward them for being the biggest donors to Republicans, requiring the government pay full list price for all drugs in the program'.
    Good call. It is only a popular benefit that allows people to access needed benefits at affordable prices and - unique among government programs - managed to come in under budget. Can't have that!
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    Re: If Medicare for All is so bad, what should Americans have instead?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Good call. It is only a popular benefit that allows people to access needed benefits at affordable prices and - unique among government programs - managed to come in under budget. Can't have that!
    It was a program created out of corruption. It was deigned to help big pharma first and citizens only incidentally. It offered affordable drugs to some, raised prices for others, but all the while unnecessarily gave hundred of billions too many dollars to the biggest Republican donor industry at the time.

    The story has gotten a bit better.

    The doughnut hold of coverage was improved; it is a popular benefit with recipients.

    More improvement is needed, whether direct fixes such as negotiating prices to the cost, or Medicare for All replacing it.

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