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Righties, what are you more offended by?

GottaGo said:
I'm trying to figure out why you think that other people should support you while you are not 'a normal woman'. You've openly admitted that you want other people's money. Matter of fact, you stated that you want even more of other people's money, based on the idea that they are 'rich.'

I would like to suggest you get a job, even one from home, quit accepting other people's money as your due, and start doing something better with your life.
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I suggest thinking about me as an example of the bigger picture and how I used myself as an example of problems disabled people need government assistance for. Why do you think I am here to beg for money to myself?
 
Craig234 said:
Poor people getting healthcare paid for by taxes, or Americans being killed by a lack of healthcare? You need to pick one.
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generations of pathetic leftist ****s that have been taught that someone else is responsible to carry their sorry pathetic asses through life. Idiot leftists convinced that it is the duty and responsibility of others to provide for them and that their miserable failure of an existence is someone elses fault and not that tragic asshole staring back at them from a mirror every day.

And I wouldnt say it is 'offended' so much as it is is disappointed in. If we are going for 'offended by' it would have to be a group or collective of Americans that have adopted this pathetic socialist mindset and agenda that people cant take care of themselves and its the governments responsibility to do it for them. Expressed best in the movie quote "Unlike the cruel Leonidas who demanded that you stand, I require only that you kneel." Sure...its just a quote from a movie...but it all too well typifies the leftist mindset and rat agenda.
 
Conservative hypocritical idiots have no problem everybody paying for the murder lust and constant killing of brown people throughout the world. So as usual, complete moronic deflections thrown out by conservatives to justify they are selfish assholes.

Blue Donkey said:
I suggest thinking about me as an example of the bigger picture and how I used myself as an example of problems disabled people need government assistance for. Why do you think I am here to beg for money to myself?
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Because deflections is all these people have, that's the response of people who don't actually have any facts.

Plus, they have zero empathy so they can't even fathom there are those out there that don't need help, but have empathy for people who are struggling and want them to get help. Most liberals are not poor, not looking for free anything. In fact, most will never benefit from any of the things liberals fight for, which is often for other people. SElfish conservatives only care about things that affect them and their kind, nothing else
 
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Vance, you obviously don't understand why people need government assistance amd others have be responsible for helping them. This stereotype that demanding help from the government and others means poor people are lazy is the biggest lie conservatives make about liberals. They only say it because they are greedy and don't want to pay for helping anyone else.
 
Blue Donkey said:
I guess you missed the Medicaid part. That one does require being unemployed because i can't get a job and have less than $1,500 at all times.

Retirement is not applicable for me. There is no job I am going to retire from.
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Yeah.. not true in a state that has expanded Medicaid.. and thus qualify under MAGI.. (modified adjusted gross income)..

The Affordable Care Act simplified Medicare eligibility and enrollment for millions of Americans. Using MAGI for eligibility simplified the application process. The administrative burden of confirming assets was put to the wayside. Unfortunately, it also gave wealthy people the opportunity to take advantage of taxpayer dollars.

This loophole occurs because the majority of Americans now qualify for Medicaid through MAGI, which unless you are seeking long-term nursing home care no longer uses the asset test. People who are asset rich, particularly those who have investments or real estate properties, can still technically meet MAGI criteria.

Someone could own a home worth $850,000, a Lamborghini, a second vehicle, hundreds of acres of farmland, and still technically be eligible for Medicaid. These Americans would be considered wealthy by any standards but by sheltering their net worth under the current tax laws, they would be legally eligible for Medicaid or subsidized plans through the Health Insurance Marketplace. This is the case even when they could easily dip into their assets to pay for health insurance.
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Blue Donkey said:
I suggest thinking about me as an example of the bigger picture and how I used myself as an example of problems disabled people need government assistance for. Why do you think I am here to beg for money to myself?
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Well.. the issues isn't that you are demanding that I or other people pay for you because somehow.. its our responsibility.

I see value in a society that takes care of its disabled and the people that really need help. There is value in safety nets...

But its a bit hard to take when someone who is already on assistance courtesy of my hard work.. and who has no idea the amounts of money and time I spend on charity..

And that someone wouldn't give a thirsty man a drink... and they have the gall to tell me that its my responsibility.. to pay them.
 
GottaGo said:
No it's not 'taxes', it's called other people's money.
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Show me the taxes that are not "other people's money", other than your own taxes, which are other people's money to everyone else.

I have problems with the idea that people actually think insurance is health care. It's not, and never will be.
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I have problems with people thinking healthcare is only insurance. It's not, and never will be.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
Conservative hypocritical idiots have no problem with everybody paying for the murder, lust, and constant killing of brown people throughout the world. So as usual, complete moronic deflections thrown out by conservatives to justify they are selfish idiots.
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There is no justification. Conservatives say they donate more money than liberals while conveniently ignoring the fact these are just absolute dollar amounts and not income percentages. How many conservatives would donate the money they are taxed to the health care system if it was voluntary? If they would do that, they have no reason to complain about taxes going up.

Because deflections is all these people have; that's the response of people who don't actually have any facts.
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People have to know a lot of facts if they care enough to post on a political message board every day. Maybe I am what this forum needs because nobody else knows the difference between being able to work and being able to "get a job."

Plus, they have zero empathy so they can't even fathom there are those out there that don't need help, but have empathy for people who are struggling and want them to get help. Most liberals are not poor, not looking for free anything. In fact, most will never benefit from any of the things liberals fight for, which is often for other people. Selfish conservatives only care about things that affect them and their kind, nothing else
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I can't fathom how anyone could be interested in politics without any empathy. You need empathy to care about government policies and programs. Social science is about helping the common men, women, and children, not saving money for yourself.
 
Blue Donkey said:
And Republicans balk loudly about being told to make sacrifices because of their own greed that serves nobody except themselves.
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In 2016 Bernie Sanders made over 1 million dollars in income from his stupid book which put him in the top 1%, yet he gave less than 10k to charity that year. That's a socialist for you.
 
jaeger19 said:
Yeah, not true in a state that has expanded Medicaid and thus qualifies under MAGI (modified adjusted gross income)..
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Which state are you referring to? Can you post a link to the quoted text?
 
aociswundumho said:
In 2016 Bernie Sanders made over 1 million dollars in income from his stupid book which put him in the top 1%, yet he gave less than 10k to charity that year. That's a socialist for you.
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There is no reason to think paying $10,000 to charity and keeping the rest makes anyone a socialist.

I can't dream about earning $10,000 in my lifetime. Think about how much money it would be to your family.
 
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Blue Donkey said:
I suggest thinking about me as an example of the bigger picture and how I used myself as an example of problems disabled people need government assistance for. Why do you think I am here to beg for money to myself?
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Read your own posts?

I too could be considered 'disabled', if I was so inclined. But I can still earn money to support myself, so I don't ask other people to pay more taxes to make my life 'easier'.
 
Craig234 said:
Show me the taxes that are not "other people's money", other than your own taxes, which are other people's money to everyone else.

I have problems with people thinking healthcare is only insurance. It's not, and never will be.
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So you understand the situation. Some people refer to taxes, as some mystical form of money that hasn't been taken from someone, to be given to others.

Do you or do you not support the PPACA?
 
GottaGo said:
So you understand the situation. Some people refer to taxes, as some mystical form of money that hasn't been taken from someone, to be given to others.
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No, they don't. Some right-wingers make such people up. And of course those same right-wingers pretend that rich people simply made up all the wealth they have themselves with no one's help, and 'earned' every penny, and that massive concentration of wealth doesn't affect anyone.

Do you or do you not support the PPACA?
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I support it as a big improvement and step in the right direction toward single-payer universal healthcare.
 
GottaGo said:
Read your own posts?

I too could be considered disabled if I was so inclined. But I can still earn money to support myself, so I don't ask other people to pay more taxes to make my life easier.
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Either you are disabled or you are not. There is no "considered" with that word. No, you can't consider yourself disabled - only medical professionals can determine that.

You did not answer my question. Again, why do you think I am personally forcing other people to pay me money?
 
Jaeger, the link does not work.
 
Blue Donkey said:
There is no justification. Conservatives say they donate more money than liberals while conveniently ignoring the fact these are just absolute dollar amounts and not income percentages. How many conservatives would donate the money they are taxed to the health care system if it was voluntary? If they would do that, they have no reason to complain about taxes going up.



People have to know a lot of facts if they care enough to post on a political message board every day. Maybe I am what this forum needs because nobody else knows the difference between being able to work and being able to "get a job."



I can't fathom how anyone could be interested in politics without any empathy. You need empathy to care about government policies and programs. Social science is about helping the common men, women, and children, not saving money for yourself.
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But look at conservatives, they only want things for themselves and themselves only. There are countless examples. The most absurd to me is voting for Trump to bring back their coal mining jobs and manufacturing jobs (which was a lie) but wehn it came to poor inner city people, those people are lazy, should just go find another job, or move to where there are jobs. But of course, as soon as things affect them, they demand government help.

And the fact they continually trot out this "liberals want things for free" shows they can't even comprehend that liberals have empathy and want to help people in need. Not selfishly to get things for themselves. But that is their mentality. They only want money spent on them and things they like, nothing else. They only want help to go to them, not other people.
 
aociswundumho said:
In 2016 Bernie Sanders made over 1 million dollars in income from his stupid book which put him in the top 1%, yet he gave less than 10k to charity that year. That's a socialist for you.
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Of course, no citation, no proof. So its probably just another stupid republican lie.

That and the complete idiocy of deflecting to "if you want to help these people, give them all your money". Man, right wingers must think everybody is as stupid and dishonest as they are
 
Blue Donkey said:
There is no justification. Conservatives say they donate more money than liberals while conveniently ignoring the fact these are just absolute dollar amounts and not income percentages. How many conservatives would donate the money they are taxed to the health care system if it was voluntary? If they would do that, they have no reason to complain about taxes going up.
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Just to point out.. sure they would have a reason to complain about taxes going up. Taxes are inefficient is some ways. So lets say the local children in my town need some welfare.. safety net.

Lets say they need 10,000 dollars for whatever.. IF I give it to them.. it costs 10,000 off my money. IF that money has to go to the government and come back.. well it ends up being more than 10,000 because you have to pay for all that administration and collection to go to the federal government and then come back as aid.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
But look at conservatives, they only want things for themselves and themselves only. There are countless examples. The most absurd to me is voting for Trump to bring back their coal mining jobs and manufacturing jobs (which was a lie) but wehn it came to poor inner city people, those people are lazy, should just go find another job, or move to where there are jobs. But of course, as soon as things affect them, they demand government help.

And the fact they continually trot out this "liberals want things for free" shows they can't even comprehend that liberals have empathy and want to help people in need. Not selfishly to get things for themselves. But that is their mentality. They only want money spent on them and things they like, nothing else. They only want help to go to them, not other people.
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Ding ding ding! I am still waiting for conservatives to explain why they think politics is about helping themselves, not everything else. It is obvious they only care about themselves. None of them want everyone to have health care. None of them want hunan rights to include who gets married and who raises chldren. None of them want to fix the problems that lead to criminal activity. None of them care if American citizens are killed by foreign nations for no good reason. None of them care who actually gets jobs and where all the jobs are. None of them want every American adult to vote. None of them want to help the environment. I am right until proven wrong.
 
Craig234 said:
Poor people getting healthcare paid for by taxes, or Americans being killed by a lack of healthcare? You need to pick one.
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Uppity black people speaking in complete sentences.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
Of course, no citation, no proof. So its probably just another stupid republican lie.
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I thought it was common knowledge:

Socialism, like Bernie Sanders, is anti-charity

That and the complete idiocy of deflecting to "if you want to help these people, give them all your money"
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No, not all of it - that's your straw man. The fact is, Bernie is a greedy ***hole just like the people he rails against daily as evidenced by his paltry charitable contributions. Note how this rotten hypocrite has changed his tune a bit now that he's rich:

 
jaeger19 said:
Just to point out: Sure they would have a reason to complain about taxes going up. Taxes are inefficient is some ways. So let's say the local children in my town need some welfare, a safety net.

Let's say they need 10,000 dollars for whatever. If I give it to them, it costs 10,000 off my money. If that money has to go to the government and come back, well it ends up being more than 10,000 because you have to pay for all that administration and collection to go to the federal government and then come back as aid.
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It is obvious you only care about keeping $10,000 to yourself and don't want to help anyone else if you can afford to give it to people in need. People who do care about poor people never say things like that. They say either, "I do not have money to give them," or "I would do it if I could." Or they might say, "I hope they get enough money from those who can afford to donate it." Instead Republicans say what you just did, that it would do nothing but take too much money out of YOUR bank account.
 
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