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The right is telling you that your taxes will be doubled to pay for Medicare for all.

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As usual the right are being twisted into little knots by the people who control their party and them, Every company and person who makes massive fortunes keeping us healthy and I say that with a chuckle.It's more like keeping us as sick as possible but still alive to give them our money.
So they are told that the middle class will have to dive into this to pay for it. Then they say it will cost 26 trillion over the next decade. This is the bull**** part, right now 3.5 trillion is already being paid for by the individual, the insurance company's or the government(that's the amount in the pot now without raising a dime in taxes).. So they don't need the money they claim, in fact in most studies it will cost less then that for 2020. It is expected to increase at a massive 5.5 % per year over the next decade. Many are suggesting that it will cost 7 trillion at the end of the decade.
The business world will tell you always about the improved profitability through increased production. That is until it has a negative effect on their bottom line, as in medicare for all. Now its the whore of putting it all in a single basket but still something they strive for all the time in business.
 
jbander said:
As usual the right are being twisted into little knots by the people who control their party and them, Every company and person who makes massive fortunes keeping us healthy and I say that with a chuckle.It's more like keeping us as sick as possible but still alive to give them our money.
So they are told that the middle class will have to dive into this to pay for it. Then they say it will cost 26 trillion over the next decade. This is the bull**** part, right now 3.5 trillion is already being paid for by the individual, the insurance company's or the government(that's the amount in the pot now without raising a dime in taxes).. So they don't need the money they claim, in fact in most studies it will cost less then that for 2020. It is expected to increase at a massive 5.5 % per year over the next decade. Many are suggesting that it will cost 7 trillion at the end of the decade.
The business world will tell you always about the improved profitability through increased production. That is until it has a negative effect on their bottom line, as in medicare for all. Now its the whore of putting it all in a single basket but still something they strive for all the time in business.
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Alright, jbander. How much will our taxes have to be raised, not merely to cover the current deficit spending caused by current mandatory entitlement programs and tax cuts, but in order to fully pay for Medicare for All? I would ask that you please cite your sources.
 
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Felis Leo said:
Alright, jbander. How much will our taxes have to be raised, not merely to cover the current deficit spending caused by current mandatory entitlement programs and tax cuts, but in order to fully pay for Medicare for All? I would ask that you please cite your sources.
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Wasn't it already stated, that even if we hit the top 10% of the country with about a 90% tax rate. We'd never actually make this medicare for all thing work?
 
Felis Leo said:
Alright, jbander. How much will our taxes have to be raised, not merely to cover the current deficit spending caused by current mandatory entitlement programs and tax cuts, but in order to fully pay for Medicare for All? I would ask that you please cite your sources.
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Every single country in the world with UHC, without exception, pays dramatically less per capita than we do and dozens rank higher in quality of care, Healthcare outcomes, life expectancy and many other metrics.

Not sure why you guys are always so keen on paying more to get less while pretending you're not. Your question should be how can we afford not doing it.
 
jbander said:
As usual the right are being twisted into little knots by the people who control their party and them, Every company and person who makes massive fortunes keeping us healthy and I say that with a chuckle.It's more like keeping us as sick as possible but still alive to give them our money.
So they are told that the middle class will have to dive into this to pay for it. Then they say it will cost 26 trillion over the next decade. This is the bull**** part, right now 3.5 trillion is already being paid for by the individual, the insurance company's or the government(that's the amount in the pot now without raising a dime in taxes).. So they don't need the money they claim, in fact in most studies it will cost less then that for 2020. It is expected to increase at a massive 5.5 % per year over the next decade. Many are suggesting that it will cost 7 trillion at the end of the decade.
The business world will tell you always about the improved profitability through increased production. That is until it has a negative effect on their bottom line, as in medicare for all. Now its the whore of putting it all in a single basket but still something they strive for all the time in business.
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Sorry I have to ask, but is Biden, medicare for all?
 
Felis Leo said:
Alright, jbander. How much will our taxes have to be raised, not merely to cover the current deficit spending caused by current mandatory entitlement programs and tax cuts, but in order to fully pay for Medicare for All? I would ask that you please cite your sources.
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Yup nothing to add I see. here's the problem dealing with people who can't think, you say it is health cost that causes the deficit , I say it's tax cuts for golden fat boys that is causing the deficit. So your question is how much will the taxes have to be raised., the lowest medicare cost figures you could put saving of $5000.00 in the pocket of every single man women and child in this country, Meaning a increase of about $15000.00 into every family in this country. Or we can go with the CBO saying 34 trillion over a decade. That Would mean a massive amount back into peoples pocket , how much-well most figures suggest that in ten years the price of health cost, as it is now, will be 7 trillion a year. So tell me. . So with medicare for all it looks like it will cost 34 trillion a decade and we are already taking in 3.5 trillion a year. So if the cost of healthcare didn't go up we would have a extra 1 trillion. If we stayed with the system we have now, we will have spent about 53 trillion on healthcare, that is if the Increase in 10 years is as they say up to 7 trillion. So with the 3.5 trillion we are paying now that is already in the bucket without a tax increase. The CBO estimate would put money back into everyone's pocket at the lowest estimate we would get back about $5000.00 per person annually. Or a tax decrease of $5000.00 dollars for every man women and child in this country. You can rattle this around anyway you want/ The money is easy.
 
Oborosen said:
Wasn't it already stated, that even if we hit the top 10% of the country with about a 90% tax rate. We'd never actually make this medicare for all thing work?
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No what we are saying is that the minute simple minded group that is led around by the ring in their nose, can't think past what their Gods tell them what to think,
 
The right hates this, they will never let the facts get in the way of their opinion/ They have no problem selling a lie and they have the weakest minds in this country to play with. The big thing is, My comment is like taking away their favorite toy, they just can't stand it. They need these type of lies and distortions because without them the right would have never been able to exist ever. Without lies and distortion the right would have or could have existed.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Every single country in the world with UHC, without exception, pays dramatically less per capita than we do and dozens rank higher in quality of care, Healthcare outcomes, life expectancy and many other metrics.

Not sure why you guys are always so keen on paying more to get less while pretending you're not. Your question should be how can we afford not doing it.
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I mean for God sake even Cubans live longer then we do. We are dealing with idiots.
 
jbander said:
Every company and person who makes massive fortunes keeping us healthy and I say that with a chuckle. It's more like keeping us as sick as possible but still alive to give them our money.
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Yup, and this system of highly regulated "capitalism" that has destroyed any sort of competitive healthcare market in the US was created by the liberal regulatory state. Provider prices are going to stay sky high for the foreseeable future. The healthcare lobby is extremely politically powerful. They're not going to just sit there and let you lower their incomes.

This is the bull**** part, right now 3.5 trillion is already being paid for by the individual, the insurance company's or the government(that's the amount in the pot now without raising a dime in taxes).. So they don't need the money they claim, in fact in most studies it will cost less then that for 2020.
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You are ignoring the demand side. Right now there are some 50 million Americans who have really bad health "insurance". High deductibles and co-pays, plans that don't cover what they need, etc. The day you implement MFA, like the sea they are going to come pouring in to exercise their "right" to free healthcare.

There's no fixing the US healthcare system.
 
jbander said:
As usual the right are being twisted into little knots by the people who control their party and them, Every company and person who makes massive fortunes keeping us healthy and I say that with a chuckle.It's more like keeping us as sick as possible but still alive to give them our money.
So they are told that the middle class will have to dive into this to pay for it. Then they say it will cost 26 trillion over the next decade. This is the bull**** part, right now 3.5 trillion is already being paid for by the individual, the insurance company's or the government(that's the amount in the pot now without raising a dime in taxes).. So they don't need the money they claim, in fact in most studies it will cost less then that for 2020. It is expected to increase at a massive 5.5 % per year over the next decade. Many are suggesting that it will cost 7 trillion at the end of the decade.
The business world will tell you always about the improved profitability through increased production. That is until it has a negative effect on their bottom line, as in medicare for all. Now its the whore of putting it all in a single basket but still something they strive for all the time in business.
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You need to stop drinking the koolaid if you don’t believe taxes won’t be increased to pay for what the democrats want to do.
Will taxes be doubled, probably not, but they will increase.
 
jbander said:
As usual the right are being twisted into little knots by the people who control their party and them, Every company and person who makes massive fortunes keeping us healthy and I say that with a chuckle.It's more like keeping us as sick as possible but still alive to give them our money.
So they are told that the middle class will have to dive into this to pay for it. Then they say it will cost 26 trillion over the next decade. This is the bull**** part, right now 3.5 trillion is already being paid for by the individual, the insurance company's or the government(that's the amount in the pot now without raising a dime in taxes).. So they don't need the money they claim, in fact in most studies it will cost less then that for 2020. It is expected to increase at a massive 5.5 % per year over the next decade. Many are suggesting that it will cost 7 trillion at the end of the decade.
The business world will tell you always about the improved profitability through increased production. That is until it has a negative effect on their bottom line, as in medicare for all. Now its the whore of putting it all in a single basket but still something they strive for all the time in business.
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You keep using the fact that $X of "private" money is now being spent, but never explain how it would be converted to government money. That was Warren's mission - to explain how that transformation from private spending to public spending (taxation) would be accomplished. Making silly assertions that those "details" don't matter is dishonest - since that is the main debating point.

You also ignore that the mission of UHC (M4A?) is to provide additional medical care to those now not receiving it. After all, without wanting that additional spending then there is no reason to push for M4A.

Trying to pretend that M4A would cost no more or actually save money is pure fantasy. Even if those who now have medical care (and pay for it) were to save the advertised $2K/year (gong from $10K/person to $8K/person annually) that does not mean that folks who now lack medical care would suddenly cost nothing to provide each of them additional medical care.
 
aociswundumho said:
Yup, and this system of highly regulated "capitalism" that has destroyed any sort of competitive healthcare market in the US was created by the liberal regulatory state. Provider prices are going to stay sky high for the foreseeable future. The healthcare lobby is extremely politically powerful. They're not going to just sit there and let you lower their incomes.



You are ignoring the demand side. Right now there are some 50 million Americans who have really bad health "insurance". High deductibles and co-pays, plans that don't cover what they need, etc. The day you implement MFA, like the sea they are going to come pouring in to exercise their "right" to free healthcare.

There's no fixing the US healthcare system.
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Ya you bet , the nazi healthcare capitalist is with the hate party buddy, Not the liberals. I'll read just till i get to nonsense , then I quite and move on. Demand side supply side is at issue in any form. I stated what the cost is now and what it will be in medicare for all.
 
Outlook said:
You need to stop drinking the koolaid if you don’t believe taxes won’t be increased to pay for what the democrats want to do.
Will taxes be doubled, probably not, but they will increase.
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Maybe but it will all come from the blubber of the old fat white men party. show us a reasonable cost analysis of the cost of medicare for all and subtract that 3.5 trillion that is already accounted for and paid for. and come up with numbers yourself , other then someone told me dat da cost wil go ups. Otherwise your just another brain dead redneck following the lead of your gods and leader by that built in ring in your nose that you handed the rope from to the idiot hate party corporate greed bull****.
 
Outlook said:
You need to stop drinking the koolaid if you don’t believe taxes won’t be increased to pay for what the democrats want to do.
Will taxes be doubled, probably not, but they will increase.
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Redneck idiots.
 
aociswundumho said:
Yup, and this system of highly regulated "capitalism" that has destroyed any sort of competitive healthcare market in the US was created by the liberal regulatory state. Provider prices are going to stay sky high for the foreseeable future. The healthcare lobby is extremely politically powerful. They're not going to just sit there and let you lower their incomes.



You are ignoring the demand side. Right now there are some 50 million Americans who have really bad health "insurance". High deductibles and co-pays, plans that don't cover what they need, etc. The day you implement MFA, like the sea they are going to come pouring in to exercise their "right" to free healthcare.

There's no fixing the US healthcare system.
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Listen idiot your telling us that we should dump regulations because Big business is going to treat us well and protect us , Your A IDIOT.
 
jbander said:
As usual the right are being twisted into little knots by the people who control their party and them, Every company and person who makes massive fortunes keeping us healthy and I say that with a chuckle.It's more like keeping us as sick as possible but still alive to give them our money.
So they are told that the middle class will have to dive into this to pay for it. Then they say it will cost 26 trillion over the next decade. This is the bull**** part, right now 3.5 trillion is already being paid for by the individual, the insurance company's or the government(that's the amount in the pot now without raising a dime in taxes).. So they don't need the money they claim, in fact in most studies it will cost less then that for 2020. It is expected to increase at a massive 5.5 % per year over the next decade. Many are suggesting that it will cost 7 trillion at the end of the decade.
The business world will tell you always about the improved profitability through increased production. That is until it has a negative effect on their bottom line, as in medicare for all. Now its the whore of putting it all in a single basket but still something they strive for all the time in business.
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Please listen to the DEM primary debates and tell me what you are hearing from the DEM candidates????
 
All these lame brain red necks with the dump regulation routine. Listen cowboys , government that you reject for taking care of us . will take care of us about ten times better the big business will. They will eat our children for their bottom line You are all idiot.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Every single country in the world with UHC, without exception, pays dramatically less per capita than we do and dozens rank higher in quality of care, Healthcare outcomes, life expectancy and many other metrics.

Not sure why you guys are always so keen on paying more to get less while pretending you're not. Your question should be how can we afford not doing it.
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I fully agree with you, we are paying 2X for healthcare, 2X for education, 10X for Defense, 10X of Welfare and we do not get nearly the benefits for our dollars that other countries are getting. Why is that? Is it possible, just possible that our society, one driven by greed and individualist attitudes is the problem more than the system is the problem? Is the attitude of greedy and self interest enfested in government employees as well as private employees?

Perfect example for all of you whole have the attitude in GOV WE TRUST!!! Check out the richest areas to live. Those areas highlight the attitude of greed and self interests in our society.

Another question I would bring up is when, not if, but when we have a single payer healthcare system, are we still going to be supporting the VA and planned parenthood and other such government driven programs?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
You keep using the fact that $X of "private" money is now being spent, but never explain how it would be converted to government money. That was Warren's mission - to explain how that transformation from private spending to public spending (taxation) would be accomplished. Making silly assertions that those "details" don't matter is dishonest - since that is the main debating point.

You also ignore that the mission of UHC (M4A?) is to provide additional medical care to those now not receiving it. After all, without wanting that additional spending then there is no reason to push for M4A.

Trying to pretend that M4A would cost no more or actually save money is pure fantasy. Even if those who now have medical care (and pay for it) were to save the advertised $2K/year (gong from $10K/person to $8K/person annually) that does not mean that folks who now lack medical care would suddenly cost nothing to provide each of them additional medical care.
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I'll try to explain with crayons this time, I know This information just rips your heart out , takes away another hater battering ram that you want us to believe. You do the research yourself bongo. You have nothing but your right wing hatred to drive what you saying , No ****ing facts ,facts always gets in the way of the rights opinions. You saying that you can come up with better numbers then the cbo, IS JUST ANOTHER CLOWN ACT THAT IMPRESSES ONLY IDIOTS. Your response of just no because you said so is bull**** .
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
Every single country in the world with UHC, without exception, pays dramatically less per capita than we do and dozens rank higher in quality of care, Healthcare outcomes, life expectancy and many other metrics.

Not sure why you guys are always so keen on paying more to get less while pretending you're not. Your question should be how can we afford not doing it.
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Seriously man.... why must you keep repeated what has been debunked over and over and over again.?

Yep.. we pay more.. because we get advantages by paying more. First.. we pay our people well. We have better wages than most other countries.. which translates to a better economy.
We pay "more'.. because other countries cost shift some of their costs.. like education..to public education.. vs here where the cost of education of medical providers is borne by consumers
We pay more because we pay to have better outcomes..like timeliness, effective care, etc. We rank in the top 3or 5 in those metrics.. DESPITE not having everyone covered.

Your question.. is why should you make healthcare worse for most americans.. to get 10% of americans covered with healthcare insurance.

THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH.
 
jbander said:
I'll try to explain with crayons this time, I know This information just rips your heart out , takes away another hater battering ram that you want us to believe. You do the research yourself bongo. You have nothing but your right wing hatred to drive what you saying , No ****ing facts ,facts always gets in the way of the rights opinions. You saying that you can come up with better numbers then the cbo, IS JUST ANOTHER CLOWN ACT THAT IMPRESSES ONLY IDIOTS. Your response of just no because you said so is bull**** .
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Jbander.. fact is medicare is already spending more money than its taking in. Medicare has only worked financially by people paying in their whole working lives.. and then being able to take out when they are retired and much much older.

Please explain how this is going to work when the people putting into the program can also take out. Please explain how that works out financially.. when Medicare is already in trouble?
 
jaeger19 said:
Seriously man.... why must you keep repeated what has been debunked over and over and over again.?

Yep.. we pay more.. because we get advantages by paying more. First.. we pay our people well. We have better wages than most other countries.. which translates to a better economy.
We pay "more'.. because other countries cost shift some of their costs.. like education..to public education.. vs here where the cost of education of medical providers is borne by consumers
We pay more because we pay to have better outcomes..like timeliness, effective care, etc. We rank in the top 3or 5 in those metrics.. DESPITE not having everyone covered.

Your question.. is why should you make healthcare worse for most americans.. to get 10% of americans covered with healthcare insurance.

THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH.
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Who says that we'd have to make healthcare worse for most Americans? Seems to me that covering 10% of Americans with basic insurance could be done relatively cheaply and easily. All you'd need is the political will.
 
jaeger19 said:
Jbander.. fact is medicare is already spending more money than its taking in. Medicare has only worked financially by people paying in their whole working lives.. and then being able to take out when they are retired and much much older.

Please explain how this is going to work when the people putting into the program can also take out. Please explain how that works out financially.. when Medicare is already in trouble?
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Yep, and that is with Medicare (for some) having heavily subsidized annual (out-of-pocket) premiums of about $1.6K/person. That would make Medicare (for all) cost a family of four $6.4K/year ($534/month) in premiums with its current coverage of about 80% of medical care costs.
 
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