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    Re: The right is telling you that your taxes will be doubled to pay for Medicare for all.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    What I dont get is you have enough takers in some states to just implement it state wide? Why havent they done so? Why do they have to force it at the national level?
    In part those states are worried that it might cause the poorest and sickest people to immigrate and drive up medical costs. California had a universal healthcare prop on the ballot a few years back which failed and that was one of the arguments against it.
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    Re: The right is telling you that your taxes will be doubled to pay for Medicare for all.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    She, like many politicians, says different (conflicting?) things on different dates and to different audiences.

    Ending the Stranglehold of Health Care Costs on American Families | Elizabeth Warren
    Ironic that she says on that page, "Serious candidates for president should speak plainly about these issues," given how exceedingly misleading a lot of her arguments on that very page are.

    She frames things from the perspective of a middle class family of four, which makes it easy for me to talk about in the first person because I have a family of four and am middle class. Warren explicitly states my family's spending on premiums and out-of-pocket medical will drop to zero. She says that money will "go back into my pocket." Sure sounds wonderful to me. Then she promises she will not raise my taxes a penny. That also sounds wonderful.

    But to anyone who is willing to think just a little bit critically, this means that hundreds of billions of dollars that the middle class pays which end up paying for the nation's health care will no longer be doing so. So where is the money to continue paying for the nation's health care going to come from?

    "we make up the difference with targeted spending cuts, new taxes on giant corporations and the richest 1% of Americans, and by cracking down on tax evasion and fraud."

    GMAFB.

    She also wants to give special tax breaks to companies who unionize.

    "Employers can reduce their Employer Medicare Contribution by supporting unionization efforts and negotiating with workers to provide better wages and benefits – reducing costs and promoting collective bargaining at the same time."

    That is blindingly corrupt. Imagine a Republican promising to tax people differently based on whether they join the NRA or not.

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    Re: The right is telling you that your taxes will be doubled to pay for Medicare for all.

    Quote Originally Posted by eman623 View Post
    In part those states are worried that it might cause the poorest and sickest people to immigrate and drive up medical costs. California had a universal healthcare prop on the ballot a few years back which failed and that was one of the arguments against it.
    But they said this would keep people from being poor. They should want everyone to move to their state, where universal healthcare would create social equality.

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    Re: The right is telling you that your taxes will be doubled to pay for Medicare for all.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    But they said this would keep people from being poor. They should want everyone to move to their state, where universal healthcare would create social equality.
    Solving simple poverty is simpler and easier; it could be done on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States via unemployment compensation.

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    Re: The right is telling you that your taxes will be doubled to pay for Medicare for all.

    Quote Originally Posted by eman623 View Post
    If the left had any guts, they would admit that MFA will raise taxes on the middle class, BUT also make the argument that your out-of-pocket healthcare spending will go down.

    But they are afraid, rightly so, that people won't stick around for the 2nd part of that sentence. The instant they hear "raise [my] taxes", they will oppose it. No matter what.

    People are dumb. Or maybe they aren't. Polls show most people are happy with their current insurance. They want to keep their doctor and their health plan and they don't trust anyone who holds out promises of free rainbows and unicorns.
    Here's the deal ,at this point no one will have a increase in taxes if any of the plans I've seen so far are selected. If there is the need for more money , it will all come from the wealthy , not the middle class. and in fact even a small part of the ultra wealthy. Next down the line it will come from tax breaks that are made totally for the golden few at the top ,for instance, Cap gain deduction on investments. It's income and should be taxed as income. The tax cuts that allow corporation and people like scum bag not paying taxes will be next to dump. Well you get the drift , Medicare for all already has 3.65 trillion in the bank now with that amount being spent already and accounted for already for healthcare in the US.
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    Re: The right is telling you that your taxes will be doubled to pay for Medicare for all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Contribute to what, your constant crying and spewing of bile about a duly elected official?

    Because at this point it's just sad, and as stopped being funny for a long time now. Hell, you've been reduced to the same desperation of calling me an enemy of the country, like most of the others. Yet you'd be stumped to actually produce such evidence in the first place.
    Your gone, Why should any thread have much of it's space that are just I hate you are dumb routine , and boy that is you totally , your a waste of bandwidth , so it's been a slice buddy your gone.
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    Re: The right is telling you that your taxes will be doubled to pay for Medicare for all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Good question. Currently, with my insurance provider, with help from my employers, I am paying around 10k a year for insurance and I come close to an additional 2-3k out of pocket expenses for myself and my family.

    If I could cut 10k of medical expenses, by having my taxes increase less than that amount, I would come out ahead. If I had to pay more taxes than that, I would not.

    I believe M4A would be nice to have and fall back on for some but I don't think I want Washington to decide for me should I want to keep the insurance I have now. I think it's arrogant for some politician to tell me I'm too stupid to think for myself and they know whats better for me. That, and Warren is a quacktard IMO. We already have one quacktard in the oval office. I see no point in replacing him with another.
    Only supporting medicare for all if you gain $10,000 dollars savings is a little ridiculous. Tell me what difference does it make if you pay the same amount.
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    Re: The right is telling you that your taxes will be doubled to pay for Medicare for all.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    What a hoot using a source who operate for corporate America as a source. Like I said it's funny as hell. Do you want to be buried in liberal sources saying the complete opposite, I mean it would be just as good a source as Forbes but from the other side. Maybe start with some source that is a little more neutral, just a thought.
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    Re: The right is telling you that your taxes will be doubled to pay for Medicare for all.

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    It must be more cost effective to solve for a simple poverty of capital under our form of Capitalism simply Because it will increase market participation and have a positive multiplier effect upon our economy.
    That would be correct but the right wants it all and think they deserve it all, SO no matter what the tax structure is ,they support it if all the new wealth of the richest country in the world goes to them as it has now for 40 years since the trickle down lie,
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    Re: The right is telling you that your taxes will be doubled to pay for Medicare for all.

    I think that since Medicare for all is supported by up to 70% of the population it simply won't be that hard to institute.
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