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    Re: The right is telling you that your taxes will be doubled to pay for Medicare for all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Waddy View Post
    You're comparing apples to oranges. Other countries also pay for medical training, buy major big ticket items for hospitals and doctors, and many of those countries tax their citizens at near 50%. They might also have high VAT taxes as well. And they don't have 50% of workers paying NO federal taxes.
    ALL expenses considered they still pay way less than we do per capita yet many achieve better outcomes. You're just making excuses for our failures instead of admitting we have a lot of room for improvement.

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    Re: The right is telling you that your taxes will be doubled to pay for Medicare for all.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    ALL expenses considered they still pay way less than we do per capita yet many achieve better outcomes. You're just making excuses for our failures instead of admitting we have a lot of room for improvement.
    No, they don't. It appears that way because they are structured differently and are generally healthier than Americans. You don't see many fat people in Europe, while Americans are among the fattest people on earth. That makes a huge difference in health care costs.

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    Re: The right is telling you that your taxes will be doubled to pay for Medicare for all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Waddy View Post
    No, they don't. It appears that way because they are structured differently and are generally healthier than Americans. You don't see many fat people in Europe, while Americans are among the fattest people on earth. That makes a huge difference in health care costs.
    That is an objective lie from someone with an obvious agenda. No country in the world pays anywhere near what we pay per capita and that is a fact.

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    Re: The right is telling you that your taxes will be doubled to pay for Medicare for all.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    That is an objective lie from someone with an obvious agenda. No country in the world pays anywhere near what we pay per capita and that is a fact.
    Depends on how you do the accounting. And the health of your population.

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    Re: The right is telling you that your taxes will be doubled to pay for Medicare for all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Waddy View Post
    Depends on how you do the accounting. And the health of your population.
    No it doesn't. No matter how you do the accounting no country on earth pays anywhere near what we do per capita. This is an objective fact.

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    Re: The right is telling you that your taxes will be doubled to pay for Medicare for all.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    No it doesn't. No matter how you do the accounting no country on earth pays anywhere near what we do per capita. This is an objective fact.
    These right wing hate group they call a party, will never let the facts get in the way of their opinion.
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    Re: The right is telling you that your taxes will be doubled to pay for Medicare for all.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    That is an objective lie from someone with an obvious agenda. No country in the world pays anywhere near what we pay per capita and that is a fact.
    No..its not an objective lie.


    its also a fact that things like obesity, sedentary lifestyles, stress levels... work hours.. fewer vacations etc... which americans have.. also effects both our health outcomes and our costs.

    Britain has about the highest rate of obesity in Europe.. roughly 27.8 percent

    The National Center for Health Statistics estimates that, for 2015-2016 in the U.S., 39.8% of adults aged 20 and over were obese (including 7.6% with severe obesity
    n addition to its serious health consequences, obesity has real economic costs that affect all of us. The estimated annual health care costs of obesity-related illness are a staggering $190.2 billion or nearly 21% of annual medical spending in the United States.1 Childhood obesity alone is responsible for $14 billion in direct medical costs. Obesity-related medical costs in general are expected to rise significantly, especially because today’s obese children are likely to become tomorrow’s obese adults.2,3 If obesity rates were to remain at 2010 levels, the projected savings for medical expenditures would be $549.5 billion over the next two decades.4
    Economic Costs of Obesity | Healthy Communities for a Healthy Future

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    Re: The right is telling you that your taxes will be doubled to pay for Medicare for all.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    No it doesn't. No matter how you do the accounting no country on earth pays anywhere near what we do per capita. This is an objective fact.
    So? We have already pointed out how and why. And its NOT for the most part because we don't have Medicare for all.

    Its because.. 1. Our population demographics are worse.
    2. We pay people more in the US
    3. We have more choice in the US.
    4. We don't cost shift our costs.. like medical education costs.. out of healthcare and into public education costs.. like other countries do.

    Those are the major reasons that our healthcare costs more.

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