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    Re: Bill Maher: New Rule: The Fudge Report, or "Fat shaming needs to come back."

    Quote Originally Posted by OlNate View Post
    I agree with this Cap'n. But of course, finding the solution is always trickier than identifying the problem.

    The cost of good food has gone up significantly, outpacing wages. So, after you tackle the cultural issues we have with eating (HUGE portions, ALL YOU CAN EAT, 99 cent any size soda!!, Baconators, deep fried Mars bars, etc), you need to address the fact that rich people will be able to eat better, be healthier, live longer, etc. If a single mom can only afford to feed her family a box of mac n cheese, rather than a roast beef dinner, well...how do we address that? I mean, if keeping people healthier costs the country less in the long run, doesn't that make a good conservative case for ensuring that folks eat healthy, whether they can afford to or not? What subsidy options accompany this challenge? How do you actually make it happen?
    Fresh food, i.e. food one has to cook themselves, is not that expensive. It does take an effort to locate and then cook it yourself though.

    True, one may not be able to afford steak, and other "fine" foods on a regular basis...so what's wrong with eating liver, chicken, hamburger meat, fresh vegetables, etc.?

    Most of the expense is buying packaged foods, and thinking food from a fast food outlet is "cheaper" and better than just buying the stuff raw and preparing it yourself. In fact, the mere effort of going shopping regularly helps keep one healthy and active.

    Yes, you actually have to use pots and pans and then clean them. Yes, you have to store, clean, and prepare the food yourself. To have a good eye for bargains and to avoid "bad" foods. But they are still available.

    I haven't been to NYC lately, so I don't know if this is still true in that overly expensive "hive." But at least up in Harlem there were lots of little grocery stores where one could get fresh foods, or go to a butcher-shop for fresh meats. Even the larger stores still have butchers and fresh food aisles.

    So no, you can't "pig-out" at McDonalds on Happy Meals, you have to stay within a budget and cook fresh foods you can afford. BIMHO, eating more salads would do a world of good for some people.
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    Re: Bill Maher: New Rule: The Fudge Report, or "Fat shaming needs to come back."

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnFox View Post
    Sidewalk is right word for it, always learning more.. damn, I have long way to go when it's about english I know it's really rare in US. Car focused country, big wide roads everywhere? There must be good reason why it's like that.
    Mostly because America was huge and the people and borders were -well few. Vast wide spaces filled with acres of prairie, forest, snow, desert. If you ran out of land, you moved west, knocked the trees and the natives aside, and voila more land! We even occasionally bribed people to emigrate with guess what? Acres of land! Cities and towns just stretched their boundaries, annexed new land, incorporated the suburbs. Building 'big' and wealth were synonymous The notion of 'land use planning' came very very late to the party over here compared to Europe.

    The automobile binge was the same. There never a disincentive to making more, selling more, building wider roads ( Trucks soon eclipsed trains as the main method to move products both in the cities and between them) , more parking, more gas stations. Everything about the car, bus, and truck represented modernization, wealth and steady jobs and more than almost any other invention except maybe the telephone, it facilitated our immense economic productivity both in rural and urban centers through the end of the twentieth century . 'More' was always better than less for 200 plus years.
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    Re: Bill Maher: New Rule: The Fudge Report, or "Fat shaming needs to come back."

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Fresh food, i.e. food one has to cook themselves, is not that expensive. It does take an effort to locate and then cook it yourself though.

    True, one may not be able to afford steak, and other "fine" foods on a regular basis...so what's wrong with eating liver, chicken, hamburger meat, fresh vegetables, etc.?

    Most of the expense is buying packaged foods, and thinking food from a fast food outlet is "cheaper" and better than just buying the stuff raw and preparing it yourself. In fact, the mere effort of going shopping regularly helps keep one healthy and active.

    Yes, you actually have to use pots and pans and then clean them. Yes, you have to store, clean, and prepare the food yourself. To have a good eye for bargains and to avoid "bad" foods. But they are still available.

    I haven't been to NYC lately, so I don't know if this is still true in that overly expensive "hive." But at least up in Harlem there were lots of little grocery stores where one could get fresh foods, or go to a butcher-shop for fresh meats. Even the larger stores still have butchers and fresh food aisles.

    So no, you can't "pig-out" at McDonalds on Happy Meals, you have to stay within a budget and cook fresh foods you can afford. BIMHO, eating more salads would do a world of good for some people.
    I hear you... But:

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    Understand, I agree with you, we should be aiming to make people healthier, in both our countries. Talking how to overcome obstacles is part of how to get there. There does appear to be a correlation between the rise in prices over the years, the rise of food deserts, and obesity. But if that's a result of poor social planning, which ultimately appears to be a root cause, if not the root cause, then that's where the work needs to start. After it is demonstrable that there are no barriers to healthy eating, irrespective of address or class, then we can pick on the fatties...
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    Re: Bill Maher: New Rule: The Fudge Report, or "Fat shaming needs to come back."

    1. This is 2019. We as a society have agreed that there should be NO shaming of any gender, ethnicity, religion, sexuality -- or people who are plus-sized.

    2. We should, however, continue an educational campaign to educate people about being excessively overweight.

    a. I have read that actually being TOO skinny may be dangerous while undergoing a medical procedure, for example.


    3. Personally, I have learned that if a person truly wants to lose weight without too much effort, do a few things: Knock off too much ice cream, soda, cakes, pies; get a little more exercise (can't you walk up two flights of stairs instead of taking an elevator?); cut back on the junk food such as potato chips. That's about it.

    4. Within a few months, you will be as pleased as punch with your weight. And you will start getting verbal compliments or at least admiring looks from other people.

    5. Above all, a person will like him-, herself better. (Or more accurately, s/he will dislike her-, himself less.)
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    Re: Bill Maher: New Rule: The Fudge Report, or "Fat shaming needs to come back."

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    It also increases the availability of affordable housing. Most of European city centres are mixed-use development, it just makes the most sense unless NIMBYs get involved.

    Calories and diet play the biggest role in controlling weight, that is something that needs to be taught in school. When I was a kid I did not do much physical activity as there was nothing to do, if you wanted to do anything you had to drive somewhere. Now that I live in a city I at least have to walk everywhere.
    When I was a kid, I was always outside playing and running around. didn't need to drive anywhere, although we did for more sports and activities.
    Mixed housing to make affordable units available is a big problem to tackle, with wealth gaps increasing.

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    Re: Bill Maher: New Rule: The Fudge Report, or "Fat shaming needs to come back."

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    I will not lie, some are grossly over weight, and their health problems are by their chose. Ever went to a grocery store and seen a car circle the parking lot over and over waiting for the spot next to the store like walking an extra 100 feet will kill them? Or watching fat people in those rascals who have no health condition other than being fat and lazy?

    I will admit many are too lazy or fat and lazy to do anything, it is to the point americans consider walking 10-20 feet a punishment, while I met a scandinavian who was stationed at fort hood gripe about it, he was there to train his countries soldiers using military grounds. His daughter wanted a car after getting her license, he cold not understand why, she only had 2 miles to school and considered it a light walk, while he had a ford explorer and had to drive 20-50 miles a day for his job.
    I wouldn't want a Scandinavian walking 2 miles in the Texas heat. In the morning it would be ok but after school, walking 2 miles could result in heat stroke.

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    Re: Bill Maher: New Rule: The Fudge Report, or "Fat shaming needs to come back."

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnFox View Post
    Sidewalk is right word for it, always learning more.. damn, I have long way to go when it's about english I know it's really rare in US. Car focused country, big wide roads everywhere? There must be good reason why it's like that.
    It is the entirety of North America, distances are so long and people are so spread out driving is a necessity for a lot of people.
    When you have space you tend to make everything bigger. Good urban planning can reduce it but you will never get to the point that Europe is at. It is faster for me to fly to Europe than the other side of my own country.
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    Re: Bill Maher: New Rule: The Fudge Report, or "Fat shaming needs to come back."

    Quote Originally Posted by bearpoker View Post
    I wouldn't want a Scandinavian walking 2 miles in the Texas heat. In the morning it would be ok but after school, walking 2 miles could result in heat stroke.
    East coast muggy heat index could easily kill, too.

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    Re: Bill Maher: New Rule: The Fudge Report, or "Fat shaming needs to come back."

    Quote Originally Posted by bearpoker View Post
    I wouldn't want a Scandinavian walking 2 miles in the Texas heat. In the morning it would be ok but after school, walking 2 miles could result in heat stroke.
    He did not have a problem with it, he felt like anything under around 3 miles should be walked or else you were lazy, and he came from a region where you were expected to walk everywhere including to mass transit, not just walk from your couch to your car and then drive a few blocks down the street because walking is hard.
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    Re: Bill Maher: New Rule: The Fudge Report, or "Fat shaming needs to come back."

    Maher is an asshole. We provide healthcare, period. If we can offer help to people to lose weight (or not become obese), fine.

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