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Well.. just to point out.. those very same things happen in European healthcare systems. In fact.. its one reason that often the US beats other countries when it comes to cancer survival. Its one of the way they get the savings that they do. Again.. no free lunch.
Secondly.. there is a real fact here that when a supplier jacks up drugs to the point where "MILLIONS"... can't afford their medication? Sorry man.. but that's emotion talking and not reality. Why would a for profit company price out millions of people. The truth is.. the vast majority of those drugs that "become astronomically priced"... are for very rare conditions. Its one reason why they are so expensive.. because all that research has to get paid for with fewer people. There just isn't enough market.
Other countries to save money, do the same analysis that an insurance company does..and if having that drug on their formulary isn't cost effective, then its not available to people.
You seem to think that universal healthcare in these countries means that all procedures, and medications are paid regardless of the overall cost effectiveness of doing so. And that's just not the case. You think there is a free lunch here. That magically.. just by going to a government system.. its going to solves all ills. Well it doesn't. Not in other countries and not here.
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OF course it passes the smell test. Heck.. you just point out that BEFORE.. Obamacare about twenty percent did not have health insurance. Do you think that Obamacare DECREASED the number of people that had health insurance? Nope.
So with OBamacare.. we got to about 90% that healthcare insurance. then Trump/republicans got rid of the mandate.. and we saw those with healthcare insurance drop to about 87%. Which likely means that 3-5% of folks without healthcare insurance.. are choosing to go without it. That once the penalty was removed.. then they decided to drop insurance.
By the way.. I have a long history on this board of supporting the best parts of Obamacare. Your partisanship doesn't really affect me because I deal with facts and reality.
Not emotion and politics. You can continue to think that UHC is some magical unicorn and that there is a free lunch here. There isn't.
Its entirely possible.. that if we go to universal government healthcare.. that your coverage will be less than it is now.
Well, thank you for telling me what I think about UHC but instead let's pay attention to perhaps the only valid part of your counter-argument, that of astronomically priced drugs and how those are really the rare drugs that go to rare cases, the "outliers".
So, you're really just saying that diabetics who need insulin are outliers, and that
the resulting astronomical markup of all but the most primitive form of cow insulin is just a rare instance of a rare drug for a rare outlier condition.
Hmmm, again the smell test rates that as "pants on fire"
and emotion has nothing to do with it, facts and figures do. Emotion has nothing to do with it, so maybe stop being so emotionally attached to attacking universal healthcare, because the facts and figures say that we spend more and get less in return than any other nation on the planet, and we have serious looming problems on the horizon which are leading to unsustainable market distortions.
The health insurance industry corporate profits, which are at an all time high, do nothing to enhance the actual delivery of actual healthcare.
PS: I don't know where you got the notion that I thought Obamacare DECREASED the number of people with health insurance. Maybe you're having difficulty with simple concepts. You seem to have a knack for telling people what they think of universal health care, at least when talking to people on the left anyway. I've never said anything was a free lunch, not that I expect you to grasp that.
Your accusations of "partisanship" are projection, my friend.
And by the way, a lot of the research into new drugs is underwritten by taxpayers.
In the case of an anti-AIDS drug called
Truvada, which now costs almost $2000 a month for most users, ALL of the research was taxpayer funded, and the true cost of Truvada is about six bucks a month.
Again, that is not emotion, it's facts and figures.
Cancer survival rates?
Oh wow, we beat Canada by a blistering two to three percent. :roll:
