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    Re: Would voters be willing to fund Medicare4All with a federal sales tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by I'm Supposn View Post
    Jaeger19, the functions of per-visit or percentage of price fees are to reduce costs and excessive use.
    Fixed amounts of annually reductions of covered service have substantially more detrimental impact upon the poorest of patients.

    Respectfully, Supposn
    And so are deductibles.

    And fixed amount of annually reductions of covered service have little detrimental impact on the poorest of patients because they qualify for Medicaid... which means there is no deductibles.. and usually no out of pocket costs at all.

    And if they have medicare and are the poorest of patients.. then they qualify for Medicaid to supplement their medicare.. and still have little to no out of pocket costs.
    So we should put you down as supporting putting GPS trackers in everyone to "save lives"?
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    Re: Would voters be willing to fund Medicare4All with a federal sales tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by nekrodev View Post
    That is exactly what it means, and everyone who I asked that understood it.
    Deductibles, co pays, caps, stuff like that. 100% full coverage implies none of those.

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    Re: Would voters be willing to fund Medicare4All with a federal sales tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by nekrodev View Post
    I've asked a question to virtually everyone I know - in a small town, in South Carolina, almost exclusively conservatives, and many voting Republicans.

    "Instead of paying $4,000 to your insurance company every year, would you be okay with paying the same (and potentially less) in taxes, but getting 100% full coverage?"

    The answer has been 100% yes. No one even took time to think about it, like it was the most common sense thing in the world.
    Nekrodev, I live in the NJ which is within the NY/NJ metropolitan area. I'm not familiare with the medical insurance market, but I don't suppose a single healthy 35 year old person with no government subsidy could purchase individual medical insurance with no additional charges for co-insurance and co-payment fees for $4,000/year in this area. I suppose a health maintainance organizations do offer no additional cost plans, but at what price? Am I wrong?

    What does $4,000/year now buy in small-town S.C? Respectfully, Supposn
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    Re: Would voters be willing to fund Medicare4All with a federal sales tax?

    Originally Posted by I'm Supposn:
    Jaeger19, the functions of per-visit or percentage of price fees are to reduce costs and excessive use.
    Fixed amounts of annual reductions of covered service have substantially more detrimental impact upon the poorest of patients. ...
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    And so are deductibles.

    And fixed amount of annual reductions of covered service have little detrimental impact on the poorest of patients because they qualify for Medicaid... which means there is no deductibles.. and usually no out of pocket costs at all.

    And if they have Medicare and are the poorest of patients.. then they qualify for Medicaid to supplement their Medicare.. and still, have little to no out of pocket costs.
    Jaeger19, nonsense. When I refer to the poorest patients, I'm referring to the poorest patients subject to fees. As you point out, Medicaid patients pay little or no fees. In my area, they pay nothing. Respectfully, Supposn

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    Re: Would voters be willing to fund Medicare4All with a federal sales tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by I'm Supposn View Post
    Originally Posted by I'm Supposn:
    Jaeger19, the functions of per-visit or percentage of price fees are to reduce costs and excessive use.
    Fixed amounts of annual reductions of covered service have substantially more detrimental impact upon the poorest of patients. ...
    Jaeger19, nonsense. When I refer to the poorest patients, I'm referring to the poorest patients subject to fees. As you point out, Medicaid patients pay little or no fees. In my area, they pay nothing. Respectfully, Supposn
    The nonsense is yours. Now you are using a nuanced position.

    If you want to be taken seriously.. stop running around with the goal posts in your arms.
    So we should put you down as supporting putting GPS trackers in everyone to "save lives"?
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    Re: Would voters be willing to fund Medicare4All with a federal sales tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by I'm Supposn View Post
    Nekrodev, I live in the NJ which is within the NY/NJ metropolitan area. I'm not familiare with the medical insurance market, but I don't suppose a single healthy 35 year old person with no government subsidy could purchase individual medical insurance with no additional charges for co-insurance and co-payment fees for $4,000/year in this area. I suppose a health maintainance organizations do offer no additional cost plans, but at what price? Am I wrong?

    What does $4,000/year now buy in small-town S.C? Respectfully, Supposn
    The amount doesn't even matter. If you're paying ANY amount right now for healthcare, and you still have a deductible, or other out of pocket expenses, this would be the same. That said, I believe my insurance cost through my employer is about $1500 per year, with a higher deductible.

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