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    Darwinism relative to healthcare:

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    Modern medical technology is very expensive for all segments of our population. Proponents of the Darwinist theory applied to medicine suggest that rather than government schemes such as Medicaid and Medicare, those that cannot afford modern medical treatment and devices should survive as best as they can.


    Darwinism limits persons with insufficient financial resources and and/or an over-abundance of financial responsibilities to the remainder of their lives with lesser comforts and/or lesser durations. Our societies, families must also to some extent share and endure those individuals' crippled or lesser limbs, poorer sight or blindness, poorer hearing or deafness, or lesser physical coordination, or lesser cognizant, or shorter life spans.


    It's not unusual to encounter Darwinism within discussions of medical insurance.
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    Re: Darwinism relative to healthcare:

    Quote Originally Posted by I'm Supposn View Post
    Darwinism relative to healthcare:


    Modern medical technology is very expensive for all segments of our population. Proponents of the Darwinist theory applied to medicine suggest that rather than government schemes such as Medicaid and Medicare, those that cannot afford modern medical treatment and devices should survive as best as they can.


    Darwinism limits persons with insufficient financial resources and and/or an over-abundance of financial responsibilities to the remainder of their lives with lesser comforts and/or lesser durations. Our societies, families must also to some extent share and endure those individuals' crippled or lesser limbs, poorer sight or blindness, poorer hearing or deafness, or lesser physical coordination, or lesser cognizant, or shorter life spans.


    It's not unusual to encounter Darwinism within discussions of medical insurance.
    Respectfully, Supposn
    Actually the problem with such an approach is that when others in a community get ill.. they can infect others.. despite the fact they have access to healthcare.

    When it comes to disease and illness.. and individuals survival, depends on the health of others in the community.
    So we should put you down as supporting putting GPS trackers in everyone to "save lives"?
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    Re: Darwinism relative to healthcare:

    Dangerous subject.

    Political spin is the real reason that Darwinism in the "species advanced by natural selection" sense ends up adversarial to healthcare but only in the who can pay for it sense. Even if we just talk about who can afford healthcare in the Republican sense there is still avoidance of responsibility of life's choices, it is just narrowed to who can pay for healthcare. And that is why the argument from Republicans entirely falls apart, Darwinism becomes a false narrative to rally around as all we are talking about is who can and cannot get help for the consequences of their actions.

    Modern medicine as a whole is expensive for a host of reasons, but different models of healthcare have different levels impact to those costs. Healthcare insurance, as a participant in the model, can have wide ranging implications depending on how much influence they have on those models. And in itself, healthcare insurance companies as a decision maker in healthcare for a patient further cloud who can obtain and what can be obtained to deal with the consequences of life's choices.

    All things considered this subject can go all kinds of sideways, probably intentionally, just because of political ideology on who should and should not benefit from healthcare.
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    Re: Darwinism relative to healthcare:

    Quote Originally Posted by I'm Supposn View Post
    Darwinism relative to healthcare:


    Modern medical technology is very expensive for all segments of our population. Proponents of the Darwinist theory applied to medicine suggest that rather than government schemes such as Medicaid and Medicare, those that cannot afford modern medical treatment and devices should survive as best as they can.


    Darwinism limits persons with insufficient financial resources and and/or an over-abundance of financial responsibilities to the remainder of their lives with lesser comforts and/or lesser durations. Our societies, families must also to some extent share and endure those individuals' crippled or lesser limbs, poorer sight or blindness, poorer hearing or deafness, or lesser physical coordination, or lesser cognizant, or shorter life spans.


    It's not unusual to encounter Darwinism within discussions of medical insurance.
    Respectfully, Supposn
    Problem is that we are paying 2 times as much for healthcare as everyone else and aren't good at controlling costs. So if anything Darwinism is going to take out our inefficient society. Darwinism doesn't really apply to humans anymore since we have such high survival rates. Even if people die early from lack of healthcare, chances are that they will be able to reproduce before they die and pass on their genes. Or even if they go bankrupt trying to afford healthcare, they will still pass on their genes. In addition, we are on the cusp of genetic engineering which will make Darwinism completely unnecessary.

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    Re: Darwinism relative to healthcare:

    Quote Originally Posted by I'm Supposn View Post
    Darwinism relative to healthcare:


    Modern medical technology is very expensive for all segments of our population. Proponents of the Darwinist theory applied to medicine suggest that rather than government schemes such as Medicaid and Medicare, those that cannot afford modern medical treatment and devices should survive as best as they can.


    Darwinism limits persons with insufficient financial resources and and/or an over-abundance of financial responsibilities to the remainder of their lives with lesser comforts and/or lesser durations. Our societies, families must also to some extent share and endure those individuals' crippled or lesser limbs, poorer sight or blindness, poorer hearing or deafness, or lesser physical coordination, or lesser cognizant, or shorter life spans.


    It's not unusual to encounter Darwinism within discussions of medical insurance.
    Respectfully, Supposn
    Ah Social Darwinism, we truly are living in a new gilded age aren't we?

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    Re: Darwinism relative to healthcare:

    Quote Originally Posted by I'm Supposn View Post
    Proponents of the Darwinist theory applied to medicine suggest that rather than government schemes such as Medicaid and Medicare, those that cannot afford modern medical treatment and devices should survive as best as they can.
    You seem to be referring to some kind of new age version of Eugenics. Please don't name your disgusting idea after such a brilliant man.

    There's a movie about this exact topic staring Denzel Washington called John Q. If you'd like to know more about how your idiotic idea will play out you might want to check it out. It wasn't a particularly good film, but neither is your idea.
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    Re: Darwinism relative to healthcare:

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    Actually the problem with such an approach is that when others in a community get ill.. they can infect others.. despite the fact they have access to healthcare.

    When it comes to disease and illness.. and individuals survival, depends on the health of others in the community.
    It's not just about the community, in medical ethics all individual lives have equal value and should receive adequate care for their survival. Medicine is literally defying Darwinism, which we moved past long ago when we started evolving primarily along cultural lines. Social Darwinism wants us to regress back to an ethical state that is really itself just another modern ideology to be used by the rich, to hoard more of their own wealth. Ironic that an ideology based on evolution would devolve society in such hideous ways.

    There is a reason this is primarily an Anglo-American ideology and that it emerged in a time of great inequality.

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    Re: Darwinism relative to healthcare:

    Quote Originally Posted by I'm Supposn View Post
    Darwinism relative to healthcare:


    Modern medical technology is very expensive for all segments of our population. Proponents of the Darwinist theory applied to medicine suggest that rather than government schemes such as Medicaid and Medicare, those that cannot afford modern medical treatment and devices should survive as best as they can.


    Darwinism limits persons with insufficient financial resources and and/or an over-abundance of financial responsibilities to the remainder of their lives with lesser comforts and/or lesser durations. Our societies, families must also to some extent share and endure those individuals' crippled or lesser limbs, poorer sight or blindness, poorer hearing or deafness, or lesser physical coordination, or lesser cognizant, or shorter life spans.


    It's not unusual to encounter Darwinism within discussions of medical insurance.
    Respectfully, Supposn
    Perhaps the answer is low cost clinics that specialize in preventative medicine, rather than frequenting the ED when things go sour.
    That doesn't prevent people from drinking too much, from smoking, from taking drugs, from eating too much fat and sugar, or sitting in front of the box all day. Not judging, we all have a vice. Heck, some don't even have access to healthy food, or just can't afford it. Some cheap burger meat and a few buns to feed the family is cheaper than buying and preparing fresh veggies.
    We can do better. We just have to sit down and talk and get things done, instead of drawing partisan lines and spitting on each other for the sake of DA PARDY.
    What we probably won't be able to solve is the fact that the rich will always have more. Our politicians, Hollywood, the uber rich, the ones in power, they just are. No denying it.

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    Re: Darwinism relative to healthcare:

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    Perhaps the answer is low cost clinics that specialize in preventative medicine, rather than frequenting the ED when things go sour.
    That doesn't prevent people from drinking too much, from smoking, from taking drugs, from eating too much fat and sugar, or sitting in front of the box all day. Not judging, we all have a vice. Heck, some don't even have access to healthy food, or just can't afford it. Some cheap burger meat and a few buns to feed the family is cheaper than buying and preparing fresh veggies.
    We can do better. We just have to sit down and talk and get things done, instead of drawing partisan lines and spitting on each other for the sake of DA PARDY.
    What we probably won't be able to solve is the fact that the rich will always have more. Our politicians, Hollywood, the uber rich, the ones in power, they just are. No denying it.
    The problem is..no one wants to pay for preventative medicine... no one wants to pay you to prevent a problem.. and its hard to track the value.

    Lots of lip service to preventative medicine... but the actual practice and payment for it? Not likely.
    So we should put you down as supporting putting GPS trackers in everyone to "save lives"?
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    Re: Darwinism relative to healthcare:

    There is the often overlooked aspect of healthcare which can have a profound impact on preventable deaths....Preventive medicine; the leading causes of preventable death can be addressed through primary prevention and education.

    Unfortunately, the citizens of the US have been largely programed to want the "magic pill solution" rather than take responsibility for thier lifestyle choices as it relates to healthy living.

    Why do I need exercise to lose weight and lower my lipids? Just give me a pill.

    Why should I stop smoking when I can get an 02 bottle to pull arounds behind me.

    Who needs to walk when Medicare will give me a scooter?

    Taking personal responsibility for our health seems to be an anathema in our nation.

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