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    Republicans can't deal with medical care.

    Republicans can't deal with medical care:

    Republicans had, and many still believe the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is and will continue to be an issue to their political net advantage.
    [The United States has begun to join all other of the world's industrial nation that had previously recognized their population's need for medical treatment as a human right and concern of their government]. Republican's dilemma is no nation's population obtaining such a government commitment, has ever wanted it rescinded.

    Republicans have been unable to convince the majority of USA voters that access to medical treatment should not be considered as a necessary human right and concern of their government.

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    Re: Republicans can't deal with medical care.

    Republicans' Dilemma:

    Republicans have been unable to convince the majority of USA voters that access to medical treatment should not be considered as a necessary human right and concern of their government.
    Failing that, they have been unable to convince voters that it should be repealed before they can devise and pass a superior government medical policy, due to their inability to devise and agree among themselves and pass what they believe should be our government's superior medical policy.

    Republicans remain currently opposed to any bi-partisan efforts for improving or replacing the Affordable Care Act with a superior government policy that recognizes human entitlement of access to medical treatment, (I suppose that will be the eventuality).

    When Republicans are finally forced to recognize individual's entitlements to medical treatment as a human right, they will need to convince voters that they had never opposed the concept. Otherwise, Republicans opposition to legal entitlement of medical treatment will be as federal minimum wage rate and social security retirement are, programs that will continue to be politically net detrimental to the Republican Party.

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    Re: Republicans can't deal with medical care.

    The Democratic Party demands free medical care for everyone in the world to be paid for by working Americans. All they have to do is travel here - no restrictions of any kind - and their open heart surgery, sex reassignment surgery, artificial limbs, kidney transplants and all other medical care will be free.

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    Re: Republicans can't deal with medical care.

    Quote Originally Posted by I'm Supposn View Post
    Republicans' Dilemma:

    Republicans have been unable to convince the majority of USA voters that access to medical treatment should not be considered as a necessary human right and concern of their government.
    Failing that, they have been unable to convince voters that it should be repealed before they can devise and pass a superior government medical policy, due to their inability to devise and agree among themselves and pass what they believe should be our government's superior medical policy.

    Republicans remain currently opposed to any bi-partisan efforts for improving or replacing the Affordable Care Act with a superior government policy that recognizes human entitlement of access to medical treatment, (I suppose that will be the eventuality).

    When Republicans are finally forced to recognize individual's entitlements to medical treatment as a human right, they will need to convince voters that they had never opposed the concept. Otherwise, Republicans opposition to legal entitlement of medical treatment will be as federal minimum wage rate and social security retirement are, programs that will continue to be politically net detrimental to the Republican Party.

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    I suspect you would also like your "free bubble up and rainbow stew".

    You do realize the US Government spends more than it takes in. How long can we continue to borrow? Health Care for all is a nice dream. It may collapse due to all of our other spending and health care.
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    Re: Republicans can't deal with medical care.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The Democratic Party demands free medical care for everyone in the world to be paid for by working Americans. All they have to do is travel here - no restrictions of any kind - and their open heart surgery, sex reassignment surgery, artificial limbs, kidney transplants and all other medical care will be free.
    Joko104, I suppose your post has a typographical error? You're going to provide us with the link quoting a Democratic member of the U.S. House of Representatives, or the U.S. Senate proposing “free medical care for everyone in the world to be paid for by working Americans”?

    If you're unable to provide such a link, possibly you can provide a link quoting someone who foolishly quoted some other fool that heard some unofficial government or non-government source that has no authority to effect the federal statutes or regulations that would be involved with regard to this topic?

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    Re: Republicans can't deal with medical care.

    If I were a republican strategist I would continue to rail against 'Obamacare' while keeping all ACA, medicare and medicaid advantages gained so far because most of my voters are older, sicker, whiter and poorer. Keep the illusion that the party is fighting the battle against what its base sees as 'free healthcare for minorities' while not actually stripping away the benefits that the rubes don't realize they're getting as well, and will surely cotton of if they don't.

    The problem with that is the donors - big insurance and pharmaceutical companies who seek direct profit and big business in general who seek tax cuts and know that the money must come from somewhere - won;t be fooled because they're watching the numbers.

    So instead the balancing act is trickier: give the donors what they want, take the money out of healthcare, try to convince the poor white base it's only the 'lazy blacks and illegals' missing out and hope they don't notice they're not getting a new kidney either. Fox news becomes vital in order to distract them from their own vanishing healthcare entitlements.

    Thankfully much of Trump's base is more than willing to cut off its nose to spite its face.
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    Re: Republicans can't deal with medical care.

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I suspect you would also like your "free bubble up and rainbow stew".

    You do realize the US Government spends more than it takes in. How long can we continue to borrow? Health Care for all is a nice dream. It may collapse due to all of our other spending and health care.
    Mike2810, USA has the world's most expensive per national resident and per patient medical expenditures but consequentially have far from the best national health. I'm among those that argue government provided basic medical insurance may be described as socialized insurance, but it's not socialized medicine. I'm in agreement with the former Republican Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan. Regardless of whatever will be our government's future medical care policy, federal insurance covering catastrophic medical expenditures makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm Supposn View Post
    Individuals’ Catastrophic Medical costs: I originally posted this topic last year within a different group. The link from which I quote is from a NY Times article dated July 3, 2018 and was linked the next day within an MSN web site. The article's title is entitled “Obamacare Is Proving Hard to Kill”, by Reed Abelson.

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    Individuals’ Catastrophic Medical costs:

    Federal insurance for catastrophic medical costs on behalf of individuals:

    Excerpted from Congressman Paul Ryan’s website. He forwarded a transcript concerning his positions of regarding USA’s healthcare policies; Racine [WI] Journal News, Mark Schaaf, July 7, 20217.
    “Republicans have proposed the federal and state governments subsidize the cost of care for people in the individual market with catastrophic illnesses, Ryan said. He believes that will make it easier to insure people in those high-risk pools at a more affordable price”.

    Paul Ryan’s advocating federal insuring catastrophic medical costs of individuals. That’s a concept that both sides of the political aisle could agree upon.
    I’m a proponent for federal acceptance of fiscal responsibility for catastrophic medical condition regardless if patients were or were not previously insured. Hospitals must be reimbursed for those extraordinary expenditures.
    Excerpted from: Obamacare Is Proving Hard to Kill - The New York Times
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    “...In Minnesota, which created a reinsurance program to help pay for customers’ expensive medical conditions, carriers are actually seeking lower premiums. A midlevel policy in Minneapolis is priced at $302 a month. ...”.

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    Re: Republicans can't deal with medical care.

    Quote Originally Posted by I'm Supposn View Post
    Joko104, I suppose your post has a typographical error? You're going to provide us with the link quoting a Democratic member of the U.S. House of Representatives, or the U.S. Senate proposing “free medical care for everyone in the world to be paid for by working Americans”?

    If you're unable to provide such a link, possibly you can provide a link quoting someone who foolishly quoted some other fool that heard some unofficial government or non-government source that has no authority to effect the federal statutes or regulations that would be involved with regard to this topic?

    Respectfully, Supposn
    I left off they might have to say the magic word: "refugee." With that, all medical care is free. All they have to do is get to the USA any way possible.

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    Re: Republicans can't deal with medical care.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I left off they might have to say the magic word: "refugee." With that, all medical care is free. All they have to do is get to the USA any way possible.
    Joko104, thanks for the heads-up.
    A non-citizen legal USA resident need not necessarily be a refugee. The policy seems beneficial to our nation, our armed forces, and the qualified legal USA resident.
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    Excerpted from The U.S. Military Helps Naturalize Non-Citizens | Military.com :

    "Non-citizen service members offer several benefits to the military. They are more diverse linguistically and culturally than citizen recruits, which is particularly valuable as the U.S faces the challenges of the Global War on Terrorism.*
    Also, according to a military research, once non-citizens have joined the military, they are far more likely to complete their enlistment obligations successfully than their U.S.-born counterparts. Thirty-six month attrition rates for non-citizens are between nine and 20 percentage points lower than those for white citizens, the largest demographic group in the military".

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    Re: Republicans can't deal with medical care.

    Quote Originally Posted by uptower View Post
    If I were a republican strategist I would continue to rail against 'Obamacare' while keeping all ACA, medicare and medicaid advantages gained so far because most of my voters are older, sicker, whiter and poorer. Keep the illusion that the party is fighting the battle against what its base sees as 'free healthcare for minorities' while not actually stripping away the benefits that the rubes don't realize they're getting as well, and will surely cotton of if they don't.

    The problem with that is the donors - big insurance and pharmaceutical companies who seek direct profit and big business in general who seek tax cuts and know that the money must come from somewhere - won;t be fooled because they're watching the numbers.

    So instead the balancing act is trickier: give the donors what they want, take the money out of healthcare, try to convince the poor white base it's only the 'lazy blacks and illegals' missing out and hope they don't notice they're not getting a new kidney either. Fox news becomes vital in order to distract them from their own vanishing healthcare entitlements.

    Thankfully much of Trump's base is more than willing to cut off its nose to spite its face.
    There is definitely something to this.

    ITs going to be interesting for the democrats though... because they are playing the same game to an extent. They are promising medicare for all.. without really understanding what that entails (or the do know but just are flat out lying).. promising this huge cut in health expenditures...and telling everyone that its going to be great.. that there IS a free lunch.

    So.. lets say they enact Medicare for all... and when folks find out that its NOT like medicare.. and that they have worse insurance than they had before? Gonna be tough for the democrats. OR they are going to have to forego their promises of reducing costs....
    So we should put you down as supporting putting GPS trackers in everyone to "save lives"?
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