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Republicans can't deal with medical care.

I'm Supposn said:
jaeger19, we agree currently, many, if not most of non-government medical insurance organization's contract out their collections of revenues and payment disbursement to enterprises specialized to perform those tasks. Those contractors perform much of the same services on behalf of governments' medical insurance organizations.
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Yeah no... not really sure what you are talking about here. Insurance companies are not contracting out their collections of revenues and payment disbursements.

Its private insurance companies that DO administer medicare and Medicaid..

Having a single entity would not drastically reduce costs. For one..most billing that is done by hospitals etc.. is done in a standardized system that almost all insurance companies handle. Basically following Medicare process.

That cost is basically the same per number of bills submitted. There really is no difference to the provider.. that cost is basically by volume.

The costs to the provider are the extraneous billing costs that depend on insurance. Things like having to find the right codes for procedures.. submitting pre authorizations etc.
Well.. government insurances.. like Medicaid.. and the VA.. are among the worst for those costs.

Medicare.. falls in the middle somewhere for their hassles.

So. there is no logic in believing that switching to all government single payer.. when its highly probable that single payer will have more hoops to jump through than average.. is going to decrease costs.

The
 
sangha said:
Yeah, you didn't say what I quoted you saying because I didn't quote everything you said!! :lamo
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Yep. you lied by purposely admitting all of what I said.. so as to make it appear I said something I didn't.

OW, no one said that there's a free lunch. You lied again
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nah.. you are lying. The evidence is clear. That's why you got all tuned up when I pointed out that its called MEDICARE... but then you claim.. "well that does not mean it has to be like medicare".

Umm, you read it wrong. The plan is for internal tracking of THE REVIEWS of the relative values of physicians services.

It's clear that the reason why you are unclear about the clarity of this Bill's provisions is your inability to understand what you have read
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Nope.. I read it right. You just don't know what it means. I gave you two examples.. of how there is no specifics on how things will be done.

Sorry sir.. you just can't get around the facts.

I never said all the specifics were there.

Why do you constantly lie?
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You just lie constantly don't you.? You have no integrity.

I have proven that you have repeatedly lied
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Nope..you have proven that the only liar here is you. You should be ashamed of yourself.

And since you do have the link to Sanders M4A bill, why did you ask me for the link?
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First.. I asked you to link to the SPECIFICS.. that you said where in the bill. Things like payment rates.. what is exactly paid for.. whats not.. how does it get paid etc.

YOU kept saying that there were in the bill. I KNEW they were not..

But yet there you were.. claiming over and over that the specifics were there.. and calling me a liar to boot. I was just really curious how long it would take before you actually did some research and tried to get the specifics.. and realized.. "oops.. they aren't there".

Quite frankly.. its amusing to me to watch you repeatedly lie and then call have the audacity to accuse ME.. the one that's actually truthful.. of being a liar. Clinically..you are a fascinating case psychologically.

Have a good day Sangha.. :peace
 
jaeger19 said:
Yep. you lied by purposely admitting all of what I said.. so as to make it appear I said something I didn't.
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Yeah, quoting what you actually said made it appear you said something you didn't. :roll:

nah.. you are lying. The evidence is clear. That's why you got all tuned up when I pointed out that its called MEDICARE... but then you claim.. "well that does not mean it has to be like medicare".
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Umm, it's not called Medicare

Nope.. I read it right. You just don't know what it means. I gave you two examples.. of how there is no specifics on how things will be done.

Sorry sir.. you just can't get around the facts.
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The fact is you read it wrong


You just lie constantly don't you.? You have no integrity.
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You can't quote me saying the bill contains every specific detail so you lie

First.. I asked you to link to the SPECIFICS.. that you said where in the bill. Things like payment rates.. what is exactly paid for.. whats not.. how does it get paid etc.
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No, you asked for a link to the bill, (even though you already had the lunk) not specifics and I never said the bills included payment rates

That's two more lies you've told

YOU kept saying that there were in the bill. I KNEW they were not..

But yet there you were.. claiming over and over that the specifics were there.. and calling me a liar to boot. I was just really curious how long it would take before you actually did some research and tried to get the specifics.. and realized.. "oops.. they aren't there".
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And yet, you can't quote me saying that
 
jaeger19 said:
YOU made the claim that it pays for more than what medicare pays for now... of course I asked you to link to it.. and you could not.
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The above is the first time you asked me for a link in this thread. Note that your request has nothing to do with me making any claims about payment schedules.

Now, supposedly, you have read the M4A bills. And you know that Medicare basically pays 80% and the individual covered has 20% co-insurance and that M4A is a "single payer " system, meaning that the government pays for 100%

Which is better coverage? The plan that pays 100percent of your medical bills or the one that pays 80percent of your medical bills?
 
jaeger19 said:
When quoted? Yes. Then you went on to claim I made statements that did not include the full text of what I said.



Sure they do.. heck its the lies you keep telling. Its going to reduce cost.. but be like Medicare.. wait.. not really like medicare.. but that's okay.. its going to reduce cost like Canada.. but its going to have more coverage than Canadian single payer. Wait.. its going to get rid of insurance companies.. and no more bills...

Sorry sir..proponents aren't just pushing a free lunch... M4All is a proverbial unicorn



Great.. please link to it.. specifically how his plan is paying for skilled nursing facilities and their pay schedule, how DME is paid for and that pay schedule, and how outpatient surgery centers are paid for, what codes a are billable etc.
Yep it does. I couldn't find the specifics that you claim are there. So I have asked you to link to those
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This is the 2nd time you asked me for a link. Though you do ask about pay schedules in this point, it should be noted that this is in response to a post of mine where I said NOTHING about pay schedules

IOW, your claim that I said anything about pay schedules is just another one of the many lies you keep telling
 
sangha said:
Yeah, quoting what you actually said made it appear you said something you didn't. :roll:



Umm, it's not called Medicare



The fact is you read it wrong




You can't quote me saying the bill contains every specific detail so you lie



No, you asked for a link to the bill, (even though you already had the lunk) not specifics and I never said the bills included payment rates

That's two more lies you've told



And yet, you can't quote me saying that
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Your dishonesty has been shown... have a good day Sangha. :peace
 
Of course they can't. with their Strict Father philosophy, they get nothing done.

It's truly pathetic.
 
America is not a socialist country. It's capitalist. You work, you get money, and you buy what you need with it. Health care for all is not a good idea. It would be a burden to the economy, as we saw with the failure that is Obamacare. It will make health insurances prices go higher, and millions of people will suffer from it.

‘Obamacare Has Destroyed My Family’ | The Daily Caller
5 Ways Obamacare Is Ruining Lives | Breitbart
Obamacare just ruined my life | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Obamacare Ruined My Healthcare Coverage, And Now I'm Just Another Statistic
Obamacare Ruined The Lives Of Americans. Thanks, Obama. | Thought Catalog

I'm taking the exemple of obamacare because it showed how much of a failure trying to implement a socialist system into a county with capitalist fundamentals is.
 
mike2810 said:
I suspect you would also like your "free bubble up and rainbow stew".

You do realize the US Government spends more than it takes in. How long can we continue to borrow? Health Care for all is a nice dream. It may collapse due to all of our other spending and health care.
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Affordable health care for all is viable. The funds are there, in the DoD budget. Why is it Republicans fear the healthcare debate, because the national opinion has changed. This was a big problem for the GOP in the midterms. We now know there was no Republican plan to replace the ACA, and the GOP have been caught blowing smoke up voters butts.
 
bergignon said:
America is not a socialist country. It's capitalist. You work, you get money, and you buy what you need with it. Health care for all is not a good idea. It would be a burden to the economy, as we saw with the failure that is Obamacare. It will make health insurances prices go higher, and millions of people will suffer from it.

‘Obamacare Has Destroyed My Family’ | The Daily Caller
5 Ways Obamacare Is Ruining Lives | Breitbart
Obamacare just ruined my life | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Obamacare Ruined My Healthcare Coverage, And Now I'm Just Another Statistic
Obamacare Ruined The Lives Of Americans. Thanks, Obama. | Thought Catalog

I'm taking the exemple of obamacare because it showed how much of a failure trying to implement a socialist system into a county with capitalist fundamentals is.
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It’s so horrible that... no one is seriously considering repealing it.

It’s so horrible that.... more states are enthusiastically signing up for more of its provisions each year.

It’s so horrible that...more people in the country have more and better insurance coverage, and the overall cost of health care that we can measure in Medicare programs is dropping- thus fulfilling a primary goal of the ACA- bending the cost curve down long term.

https://www.statnews.com/2019/03/22/affordable-care-act-controls-costs/
 
I'm Supposn said:
Republicans can't deal with medical care:

Republicans had, and many still believe the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is and will continue to be an issue to their political net advantage.
[The United States has begun to join all other of the world's industrial nation that had previously recognized their population's need for medical treatment as a human right and concern of their government]. Republican's dilemma is no nation's population obtaining such a government commitment, has ever wanted it rescinded.

Republicans have been unable to convince the majority of USA voters that access to medical treatment should not be considered as a necessary human right and concern of their government.

Respectfully, Supposn​
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A 50 year assault by the disciples of Cloward, Pivan and Alinsky on health care is a lot to overcome. It may be too late.

Government is the problem in health care not the solution; I don't think that we can go back though.

Are you proud?

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Threegoofs said:
It’s so horrible that... no one is seriously considering repealing it.

It’s so horrible that.... more states are enthusiastically signing up for more of its provisions each year.

It’s so horrible that...more people in the country have more and better insurance coverage, and the overall cost of health care that we can measure in Medicare programs is dropping- thus fulfilling a primary goal of the ACA- bending the cost curve down long term.

The Affordable Care Act has saved billions in health care costs - STAT
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Obamacare is so good that thousands of people lost their insurances because of it
Obamacare is go good that thousands of people were in debt become they couldn't afford health care because thanks to obamacare the price skyrocketed
Obamacare is so good that it its price in march 2015 was 1.2 billion
Obamacare is so good that it killed a tremendous number of small businesses because their owners couldn't afford their employe's health care
Obamacare is so good that it ruined families's lives because some of their members had special conditions that were expensive to pay and because of the "Affordable care act" they could not pay it anymore

Do you want more reasons that obamacare is "awesome" ?
 
yankintx said:
Affordable health care for all is viable. The funds are there, in the DoD budget. Why is it Republicans fear the healthcare debate, because the national opinion has changed. This was a big problem for the GOP in the midterms. We now know there was no Republican plan to replace the ACA, and the GOP have been caught blowing smoke up voters butts.
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In the DOD budget, really. You mean part of the budget where we are borrowing about .40 of every dollar we spend. Yep. That helps.

You really did not address the issue of the US running a deficient each year.
 
mike2810 said:
In the DOD budget, really. You mean part of the budget where we are borrowing about .40 of every dollar we spend. Yep. That helps.

You really did not address the issue of the US running a deficient each year.
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You should be more concerned with Trump and the GOP running up the deficit, not I. They spend money like drunk sailors and ignore the elephant in the room.
 
yankintx said:
You should be more concerned with Trump and the GOP running up the deficit, not I. They spend money like drunk sailors and ignore the elephant in the room.
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Trump has done his share. Yet, Congress (House controlled by Dems) holds the real purse strings.
 
mike2810 said:
Trump has done his share. Yet, Congress (House controlled by Dems) holds the real purse strings.
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As Trump cut taxes, therefore decreasing funds the Treasury takes in how exactly did Trump address the issue? Please elaborate.
 
yankintx said:
As Trump cut taxes, therefore decreasing funds the Treasury takes in how exactly did Trump address the issue? Please elaborate.
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Did the tax cut have to be passed by the House and Senate?
I was agree with you that Trumps actions and those of Congress has added to our debt.
 
bergignon said:
Obamacare is so good that thousands of people lost their insurances because of it
Obamacare is go good that thousands of people were in debt become they couldn't afford health care because thanks to obamacare the price skyrocketed
Obamacare is so good that it its price in march 2015 was 1.2 billion
Obamacare is so good that it killed a tremendous number of small businesses because their owners couldn't afford their employe's health care
Obamacare is so good that it ruined families's lives because some of their members had special conditions that were expensive to pay and because of the "Affordable care act" they could not pay it anymore

Do you want more reasons that obamacare is "awesome" ?
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Lets see.

- More people are insured. Thousand lost crappy coverage. I’d say that’s a win.

- The price hasn’t skyrocketed. At all.

- I love your made up price in some random month in 2015. Funny!

- Don’t recall businesses getting destroyed. As the ACA was implemented, the economy was doing quite well.

- not sure what the fantasy is about the ACA ruining people’s lives who had preexisting conditions. Sounds like nonsense.

Gee. It’s almost like you have no clear grasp of the program at all and get all your info from ****ty wingnut sites..
 
bergignon said:
Obamacare is so good that thousands of people lost their insurances because of it
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Nope.. because if that were true... the percentage of people uninsured should have gone up.. but under Obamacare.. the number of uninsured went DOWN.

Obamacare is go good that thousands of people were in debt become they couldn't afford health care because thanks to obamacare the price skyrocketed
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Actually studies showed that

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his has led to overall improvement in health care access, as indicated by multiple surveys.7 In 2014, the year the ACA’s major coverage expansions went into effect, the share of adults in our survey who said that cost prevented them from getting health care that they needed, such as prescription medication, dropped significantly
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Health Insurance Coverage Eight Years After the ACA — 2018 Biennial | Commonwealth Fund

Obamacare is so good that it killed a tremendous number of small businesses because their owners couldn't afford their employe's health care
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Actually:

Findings and Conclusions: Because of the creation of the individual marketplaces and the expansion of Medicaid, more entrepreneurs and small-business employees have health coverage than before the ACA was implemented. Indeed, the uninsured rate for small-business employees fell by almost 10 percentage points post-ACA. The ACA also has helped stabilize health costs for many small businesses that provide coverage, with the rate of small-business premium increases falling by half following implementation of the law.
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The Affordable Care Act’s Impact on Small Business | Commonwealth Fund

Obamacare is so good that it ruined families's lives because some of their members had special conditions that were expensive to pay and because of the "Affordable care act" they could not pay it anymore
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That actually makes no sense. In fact.. I want specific examples of how this would happen.

Sorry sir but the facts don't really support your premise.
 
mike2810 said:
Did the tax cut have to be passed by the House and Senate?
I was agree with you that Trumps actions and those of Congress has added to our debt.
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They were passed by a GOP House and Senate. For 6 years all we heard from the Right was Obamas deficits. Now we have a GOP President not a peep from the peanut gallery, so typical. No one does hypocrisy like a Rightie.
 
I'm Supposn said:
Joko104, thanks for the heads-up.
A non-citizen legal USA resident need not necessarily be a refugee. The policy seems beneficial to our nation, our armed forces, and the qualified legal USA resident.
Respectfully, Supposn

Excerpted from The U.S. Military Helps Naturalize Non-Citizens | Military.com :

"Non-citizen service members offer several benefits to the military. They are more diverse linguistically and culturally than citizen recruits, which is particularly valuable as the U.S faces the challenges of the Global War on Terrorism.*
Also, according to a military research, once non-citizens have joined the military, they are far more likely to complete their enlistment obligations successfully than their U.S.-born counterparts. Thirty-six month attrition rates for non-citizens are between nine and 20 percentage points lower than those for white citizens, the largest demographic group in the military".
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:roll: Many Democrats like to play the game that there is no difference between a legal migrant and illegal migrant - like you just did.
 
Threegoofs said:
Lets see.

- More people are insured. Thousand lost crappy coverage. I’d say that’s a win.

- The price hasn’t skyrocketed. At all.

- I love your made up price in some random month in 2015. Funny!

- Don’t recall businesses getting destroyed. As the ACA was implemented, the economy was doing quite well.

- not sure what the fantasy is about the ACA ruining people’s lives who had preexisting conditions. Sounds like nonsense.

Gee. It’s almost like you have no clear grasp of the program at all and get all your info from ****ty wingnut sites..
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The way many businesses deal with all the government extra costs for full time employees is to make nearly everyone part time employees.
 
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