Trump’s ‘Party of Healthcare’ has no health-care plan

For Trump’s ‘Party of Healthcare,’ there is no health-care plan

The idea that the GOP could ever be “the party of health care” is something of a stretch.

3/30/19
Republicans have no intention of heeding President Trump’s urgent demands for a new health-care plan to replace the Affordable Care Act, fearing the potential political damage that such a proposal could cause in 2020 and hoping he will soon drop the idea, according to interviews with numerous GOP lawmakers, legislative staffers and administration aides. Not only is there no such health-care overhaul in the works on Capitol Hill — there are no plans to make such a plan. Senate Republicans, who were caught off guard by Trump’s rapid shift to focus on health care last week, said the White House would need to make the first move by putting forward its own proposal. But administration officials said nothing firm is in the works. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) — acutely aware of the perils that health care poses for Republicans — does not intend to wade extensively into the issue, senators and aides said, even as Trump has revived his fixation on a campaign promise to eliminate former president Barack Obama’s health-care law.

Nor does Senate Finance Committee Chairman Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa), whose panel would be central to any such debate. When asked whether the two Senate committees overseeing health-care policy are planning to draft a replacement proposal for the Affordable Care Act, Grassley responded flatly: “No.” A senior White House official directly involved in the discussions said there was no specific proposal. McConnell also has no plans to put together a working group of Republican lawmakers to draft a health-care blueprint as he did in 2017, according to one official familiar with party strategy. Grassley said no hearings are planned on replacing Obamacare in his committee, and Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.), who leads the Senate’s major health panel, said his focus is working on “reducing health-care costs” and emphasized bipartisan efforts to do so. “A lot of the squeamish Republicans will say they campaigned on this, and it’s a losing issue.

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A Republican "Party of Healthcare" is a figment of Trumps imagination. In short ..... another lie.

Related: Trump says GOP will be the party of health care but provides no plan

Rogue Valley said:

For Trump’s ‘Party of Healthcare,’ there is no health-care plan

The idea that the GOP could ever be “the party of health care” is something of a stretch.

A Republican "Party of Healthcare" is a figment of Trumps imagination. In short ..... another lie.

Related: Trump says GOP will be the party of health care but provides no plan

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The most frightening thing is, despite not having anything to replace the ACA, Trump is not only willing - but he's anxious and determined to totally destroy the ACA in one fell swoop leaving 20 million people uninsured in an instant.

Let me ask the conservatives here. Are you supporting Trump's plan to blow up the ACA and leave 20 million people uninsured?

Here's what I see happening at this moment. I see that Trump is on a high after being absolved of any 'direct' collusion with Russian, although obstruction may still be a problem going forward. He's jubilantly spiking the football and that's dangerous for many reasons. His attention is now turned back onto the things he wanted to do two years ago and in doing so, he's becoming dangerous and reckless. He's going to start burning down the walls of government. He has already demolished the core of it, now he'll finish the job. After healthcare, his next objective will be Medicare and Social Security. He's not going to stop until he has this country entirely under the oppressive rule of his thumb.

Rogue Valley said:

For Trump’s ‘Party of Healthcare,’ there is no health-care plan

The idea that the GOP could ever be “the party of health care” is something of a stretch.

A Republican "Party of Healthcare" is a figment of Trumps imagination. In short ..... another lie.

Related: Trump says GOP will be the party of health care but provides no plan

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Let's vote these numbskulls out of office, hand over a crisis and then obstruct and all stick together to shut down Government, give all our money to the rich, again after it failed the first time and now it's failing again they want to cut off Obamacare.

Vote Democrat is the only order coming down from my command.

Take the Senate, vote Democrat even if they're a criminal just like the Reprobates.

Your Duty is to vote, not to vote.

Rogue Valley said:

For Trump’s ‘Party of Healthcare,’ there is no health-care plan

The idea that the GOP could ever be “the party of health care” is something of a stretch.

A Republican "Party of Healthcare" is a figment of Trumps imagination. In short ..... another lie.

Related: Trump says GOP will be the party of health care but provides no plan

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I'm sure a White House healthcare plan would be just as good as their infrastructure plan, or their Middle East peace plan. Winning, winning and more winning.

Rogue Valley said:

For Trump’s ‘Party of Healthcare,’ there is no health-care plan

The idea that the GOP could ever be “the party of health care” is something of a stretch.

A Republican "Party of Healthcare" is a figment of Trumps imagination. In short ..... another lie.

Related: Trump says GOP will be the party of health care but provides no plan

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Republicans have been lying about this since before Trump arrived on the scene. They ran on 'repeal and replace' but when push came to shove, they lacked the votes to repeal in large part because they had no plan to replace.

HumblePi said:

Let me ask the conservatives here. Are you supporting Trump's plan to blow up the ACA and leave 20 million people uninsured?

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Absolutely not. As a conservative.. it makes absolutely no sense to get rid of the ACA.. especially without a replacement. The economic fallout would be terrible.. Trump is an idiot.

The ACA is more than just "obamacare".. in fact.. most people don;t even understand whats in the ACA. Heck.. even my own dad says (who is well educated).. says "what do I care.. obamacare doesn;t affect me"..

And I had to tell him.. yes it does dad.. because you have medicare. and he is like.. that's right.. its not obamacare.. and I said but dad.. your medicare is affected by obamacare.. obamacare had many fixes to the problems in medicare.. from how physicians were paid.. to how hospitals were paid.. to what restrictions your medicare had.. and the prescription donut hole etc.

Getting rid of obamacare.. with no replacement means a sudden disruption as we go back to laws that were put in place as far back as 1998.

that's why smart republicans.. when push came to shove.. DID NOT want to see obamacare go away.. not really.. because what a mess it would cause in the healthcare industry when we had to revert to laws that were put into place almost two decades ago!..

Plus the financial havoc that would be wrought in all the small rural towns in America where healthcare is a leading employer.. WOW..

I see that Trump is on a high after being absolved of any 'direct' collusion with Russian, although obstruction may still be a problem going forward

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Actually I think the opposite is true. He plays up the no collusion.. but there is a bunch in there that does NOT exonerate him for many other crimes.. particularly the obstruction.. and there are more indictments coming down the road. Muellers grand jury is still enpaneled.

I think he is getting a bit desperate for a win.. his executive national emergency at the border.. didn;t get a lot of play.. he lost his wall money to the democrats.. he played chicken with the shutdown and lost.. Its being reported that after his high praise of N koreas leader.. that leader has accelerated his weapons program.

He is looking for anything to stir up his base.. and he now focuses on obamacare..

the problem with democrats is.. they have always done a crappy crappy job with explaining obamacare. IF they were to go out and point out the financial problems that would occur if obamacare was removed.. problems with MEDICARE.. folks would take notice.

When it come to government run healthcare, I'll refer to a quote made by Henry Ford "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him, better take a closer look at the American Indian."

Terryj said:

When it come to government run healthcare, I'll refer to a quote made by Henry Ford "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him, better take a closer look at the American Indian."

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Perhaps, but the Government takes care of me.

I know lots of people on the roll who are prosperous and happy.

You should try it sometime, and I am sure you will, we must experience all things.

On the other hand, if you think working for Carnegie or the railroads and getting shot at by pinkertons is prosperous and happy, then you have another thing coming.

And Ford can talk about prosperous and happy, but what about his workers?

And what about us, if we go back to corporate daddy and pinkertons?

No ideology will work alone.

Only what will work is a system that incorporates all the ideas and makes decisions based what the issues call for, not what the ideology dictates.

Exquisitor said:

No ideology will work alone.

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I agree with pretty much all of your two posts, but this is what I love the most. It's so common for people, especially conservatives, to think that only their one way can work and everything else is tyranny or something. Capitalism is cool, but it only work insofar as corporations are forced to have some amount of consideration for their workers. It's the reason why Bernie Sanders doesn't call for "socialism", because that's not a great idea. Social democracy has been shown to be pretty effective in the western world.

I didn't think about it in this way when the ACA was put in, since I was mostly upset that it was such a bull**** half-measure, but looking back, I think it was a brilliant move, politically. The ACA was essentially just the Republicans' old healthcare idea from the 90s and early 2000s, so once they decried their own plan as "socialism" and "tyranny", where could they ever possible go? Now, they're literally going to lose everything over that one issue, even ignoring everything else. Most Republican voters are older, and rely on some form of healthcare, more so than younger voters typically do. Republicans know that if they do anything to screw over people who rely on medicare and medicaid, their career is done.

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Now, they're literally going to lose everything over that one issue.

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Well I pray you're correct because they took a surplus, handed over a crisis, held back the recovery, elected Bozo the Clown, and all stuck together through their madness, shutting down Government, so you got to give them something, and now they want to win and when their tax cut fails to produce, they're going to let it suck us dry.

Just because ACA was Obama and Tax cut theirs.

When have the Democrats done anything remotely like this?

Exquisitor said:

Well I pray you're correct because they took a surplus, handed over a crisis, held back the recovery, elected Bozo the Clown, and all stuck together through their madness, shutting down Government, so you got to give them something, and now they want to win and when their tax cut fails to produce, they're going to let it suck us dry.

Just because ACA was Obama and Tax cut theirs.

When have the Democrats done anything remotely like this?

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Never. Generally, the biggest failings of the Dems is being useless cowards and not really doing much of anything, at all.

I'm not a fan of the Democratic party at large, but as our country really only has two, they're definitely the one I tend to agree with more often. I'm hoping we have a good shift were so many people like Bernie join the Dems that they force it to the left entirely, or start a new, actual leftist party.

nekrodev said:

Never. Generally, the biggest failings of the Dems is being useless cowards and not really doing much of anything, at all.

I'm not a fan of the Democratic party at large, but as our country really only has two, they're definitely the one I tend to agree with more often. I'm hoping we have a good shift were so many people like Bernie join the Dems that they force it to the left entirely, or start a new, actual leftist party.

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I don't care about right or left, I believe prudence, what is the prudent move, and what are your priorities?

Free stuff is cool, but for those screaming for it, by the time it gets to them they'll be past their graduation date.

So there I see insanity, not grasp of the office.

Biden grasps the office like an arrow drawn from a bow.

It's going on 3 weeks since I posted the OP.

Where's that wondrous GOP healthcare plan Trump was touting?

Anyone?

Rogue Valley said:

It's going on 3 weeks since I posted the OP.

Where's that wondrous GOP healthcare plan Trump was touting?

Anyone?

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They've got top men working on it.

TOP MEN.

HumblePi said:

The most frightening thing is, despite not having anything to replace the ACA, Trump is not only willing - but he's anxious and determined to totally destroy the ACA in one fell swoop leaving 20 million people uninsured in an instant.

Let me ask the conservatives here. Are you supporting Trump's plan to blow up the ACA and leave 20 million people uninsured?

Here's what I see happening at this moment. I see that Trump is on a high after being absolved of any 'direct' collusion with Russian, although obstruction may still be a problem going forward. He's jubilantly spiking the football and that's dangerous for many reasons. His attention is now turned back onto the things he wanted to do two years ago and in doing so, he's becoming dangerous and reckless. He's going to start burning down the walls of government. He has already demolished the core of it, now he'll finish the job. After healthcare, his next objective will be Medicare and Social Security. He's not going to stop until he has this country entirely under the oppressive rule of his thumb.

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Trump has such a boner for Obama that he will dismantle the ACA. His obsessive hatred goes back to when Obama made a fool of Turmp at the WH Correspondents Dinner years a go. I kid you not, this is how thin skinned Trump has always been. The mans mentality is that of a school yard bully who got his nose tweeked.

Exquisitor said:

I don't care about right or left, I believe prudence, what is the prudent move, and what are your priorities?

Free stuff is cool, but for those screaming for it, by the time it gets to them they'll be past their graduation date.

So there I see insanity, not grasp of the office.

Biden grasps the office like an arrow drawn from a bow.

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if you think Bernie's platform isn't prudent, and especially that his healthcare plan isn't, then i don't know what to tell you. literally every other country we could be compared to has a form of universal healthcare, and they all pay less and have better outcomes for their citizens, statistically. sounds like it'd be stupid NOT to go that route.

no one is talking about "free" stuff. Bernie has been very clear that we will need to cut spending on things that we waste too much on, and increase taxes, especially on the rich and corporations. and none of that is new or insane, it's all stuff we used to do. all you're looking for is someone super lame and safe, i guess, who doesn't want to change anything or do anything that matters.

HumblePi said:

The most frightening thing is, despite not having anything to replace the ACA, Trump is not only willing - but he's anxious and determined to totally destroy the ACA in one fell swoop leaving 20 million people uninsured in an instant.

Let me ask the conservatives here. Are you supporting Trump's plan to blow up the ACA and leave 20 million people uninsured?

Here's what I see happening at this moment. I see that Trump is on a high after being absolved of any 'direct' collusion with Russian, although obstruction may still be a problem going forward. He's jubilantly spiking the football and that's dangerous for many reasons. His attention is now turned back onto the things he wanted to do two years ago and in doing so, he's becoming dangerous and reckless. He's going to start burning down the walls of government. He has already demolished the core of it, now he'll finish the job. After healthcare, his next objective will be Medicare and Social Security. He's not going to stop until he has this country entirely under the oppressive rule of his thumb.

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Easy solution, vote against Trump and throw the baby out with the bath water. Dump the Rump in Nov 2020.

nekrodev said:

if you think Bernie's platform isn't prudent, and especially that his healthcare plan isn't, then i don't know what to tell you. literally every other country we could be compared to has a form of universal healthcare, and they all pay less and have better outcomes for their citizens, statistically. sounds like it'd be stupid NOT to go that route.

no one is talking about "free" stuff. Bernie has been very clear that we will need to cut spending on things that we waste too much on, and increase taxes, especially on the rich and corporations. and none of that is new or insane, it's all stuff we used to do. all you're looking for is someone super lame and safe, i guess, who doesn't want to change anything or do anything that matters.

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I don't say we waste too much, that cutting it would save enough.

Personally, I don't see where we can cut at all.

Even with tax repeal.

I am not much in favor of higher taxes than that, unless debt is being paid.

That means a balanced budget plus interest.

I really don't care what we watch even Trump, but so far, my vote is for Bernie.

Exquisitor said:

I don't say we waste too much, that cutting it would save enough.

Personally, I don't see where we can cut at all.

Even with tax repeal.

I am not much in favor of higher taxes than that, unless debt is being paid.

That means a balanced budget plus interest.

I really don't care what we watch even Trump, but so far, my vote is for Bernie.

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you don't think we could cut the military budget at all? also, remember that all of our current healthcare costs under Medicare and Medicaid would be included in a Universal Healthcare system, not something that still has to be added on.

nekrodev said:

you don't think we could cut the military budget at all? also, remember that all of our current healthcare costs under Medicare and Medicaid would be included in a Universal Healthcare system, not something that still has to be added on.

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Where? Who do you want to lay off? What job will be provided for them elsewhere? What defense contractors are going to be left standing around without work?

I say you need to cut defense and health care by fifty percent.

To do that you must have a federal vegan program, thus gutting the meat industry.

Exquisitor said:

Where? Who do you want to lay off? What job will be provided for them elsewhere? What defense contractors are going to be left standing around without work?

I say you need to cut defense and health care by fifty percent.

To do that you must have a federal vegan program, thus gutting the meat industry.

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what are you even talking about? are you literally suggesting that we just get rid of everything just so that we don't have to raise taxes on rich people a bit?

as far as where we can cut in the military, i don't even care. stop building planes and tanks and **** we don't need, get everyone out of the other countries we have them fighting in. we could keep them in the military, if that even matters, and just have them do relevant work in the States, if possible, like building infrastructure and ****. obviously that's not going to work for everyone, but there are people who could better determine where exactly to make those moves.