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Swedes enjoy world-class healthcare - when they get it

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Swedes, who on average pay more than half of their income in tax, see access to healthcare as the most important issue in the September 9 general election, polls suggest.


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Swedish law stipulates patients should wait no more than 90 days to undergo surgery or see a specialist. Yet every third patient waits longer, according to government figures.
Patients must also see a general practitioner within seven days, the second-longest deadline in Europe after Portugal (15 days).
Yet waiting times vary dramatically across Sweden's 21 counties responsible for financing hospitals.
One dental patient in central Dalarna county told AFP six months passed before his check-up, while emergency room queues at Stockholm's largest hospitals average four hours.
The 2016 nationwide median wait for prostate cancer surgery was 120 days, but 271 days in the northern county of Vasterbotten, official figures show.
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What's half your pay and months waiting for "free" care right?
 
Cisero said:
So the better alternative is going broke paying for your surgery ?
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/aparna...widespread-medical-bankruptcies/#17b5e6bec2a1

In 2005 and 2009, Elizabeth Warren and her co-authors released two papers claiming that more than 50 percent of all bankruptcy filings in the U.S. were caused by medical debts. I wrote about the problems with these studies when they first came out, and even testified in Congress against reading too much into the findings of these studies because they suffered from several biases. Now an academic study published in the New England Journal of Medicine is skeptical of these results as well. The study tracks a stratified sample of adults between the ages of 25 and 64 who were admitted to the hospital for non-birth-related reasons between 2003 and 2007. It finds that fewer than 4 percent of hospitalizations resulted in bankruptcies, far lower than the 2009 study’s claimed 62 percent.
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TheGoverness said:
Hell yeah! :2razz:
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/aparna...widespread-medical-bankruptcies/#17b5e6bec2a1

In 2005 and 2009, Elizabeth Warren and her co-authors released two papers claiming that more than 50 percent of all bankruptcy filings in the U.S. were caused by medical debts. I wrote about the problems with these studies when they first came out, and even testified in Congress against reading too much into the findings of these studies because they suffered from several biases. Now an academic study published in the New England Journal of Medicine is skeptical of these results as well. The study tracks a stratified sample of adults between the ages of 25 and 64 who were admitted to the hospital for non-birth-related reasons between 2003 and 2007. It finds that fewer than 4 percent of hospitalizations resulted in bankruptcies, far lower than the 2009 study’s claimed 62 percent.
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Cisero said:
So the better alternative is going broke paying for your surgery ?
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We are a nation of 330 million people. Prior to the passage of Obamacare, 87% of Americans were insured and the vast majority did not face catastrophic health care bills, even with major surgery. For 240 years, we managed to do just fine without the crown imposing mandatory healthcare and increased taxes. SOME states and citizens even decided for themselves to create state run healthcare plans and some liked it, some didnt, but it was still a local decision.

The alternative was never 'going broke paying for surgery'. The alternative for the vast majority was relatively affordable healthcare with plans they chose. Was there room for change? ABSOLUTELY. But the passage of the ACA was not the answer to that change. The fact is, the ACA was built to fail...and it was nothing more than a stepping stone to the ultimate goal of universal healthcare. And its still coming.

That being said...I'm not Swedish. I hope they love their healthcare and think its the best system on the planet. We are not in any way shape or form, Sweden. Similarly, I hope Canadians love their healthcare. I hope those in the UK love their healthcare. For every American healthcare horror story, there are similar stories in all those countries. But you know what? I dont much give a **** about Canadian healthcare...or British healthcare, or Swedens healthcare. Good on them. If they dont mind paying half their pay checks in taxes for substandard care...be my guest.
 
Cisero said:
Oh so only 1 person in 25 goes broke after medical treatment. That sure is a relief !
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How many people die waiting for treatment in SP countries? But that number is higher than 1 in 25. But you go on pushing that sad meme. People file bankruptcy for a multitude of reasons. My neighbor went broke after taking out huge loans for cosmetic surgery. And buying a Camaro, a Pickup, and spending way too much money but she told everyone it was medical reasons.

She's one of your 1 in 25.
 
itsforthekids said:
No you didn't.
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It is ENTIRELY possible he did. Rural location, low number of doctors. For my endo doc it's 6 months to see her. But she's the ONLY doc in San Antonio I know of that does HRT. BUT, that's a rare thing, if I lived in Austin or wanted to drive there, it's a 2 week wait at most to get seen, but F Austin and it's traffic.
 
Renae said:
It is ENTIRELY possible he did. Rural location, low number of doctors. For my endo doc it's 6 months to see her. But she's the ONLY doc in San Antonio I know of that does HRT. BUT, that's a rare thing, if I lived in Austin or wanted to drive there, it's a 2 week wait at most to get seen, but F Austin and it's traffic.
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I live in a major city
 
Renae said:
How many people die waiting for treatment in SP countries? But that number is higher than 1 in 25. But you go on pushing that sad meme. People file bankruptcy for a multitude of reasons. My neighbor went broke after taking out huge loans for cosmetic surgery. And buying a Camaro, a Pickup, and spending way too much money but she told everyone it was medical reasons.

She's one of your 1 in 25.
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The Fraser Institute published a study on waiting times and mortality in Canada between 1993 and 2009 which estimated that approximately 44,000 (median value) Canadians (confidence interval of between 25,000 and 63,000 Canadians) died due to waiting times.
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Let's take the maxima value, 63'000 deaths in 16 years because of waiting times in Canada. 4'000 deaths per year. Approximately 0.011% of the population.
In the US, approximately 45'000 people die every year because of lack of healthcare. That's roughly 0.014% of the population.

So yeah, 0.011% is way lower than 4%. Also, the numbers are pretty close, but you have a better chance waiting in Canada than living in the US. Also, you won't end up broke.

Single payer may not be the solution best fitted for the american government, but the numbers prove one thing without a doubt : the health care system needs reform and it needs it now.
 
Renae said:
It is ENTIRELY possible he did. Rural location, low number of doctors. For my endo doc it's 6 months to see her. But she's the ONLY doc in San Antonio I know of that does HRT. BUT, that's a rare thing, if I lived in Austin or wanted to drive there, it's a 2 week wait at most to get seen, but F Austin and it's traffic.
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I've never waited more than 10 days. He can't be honest because it would destroy his narrative.
 
itsforthekids said:
I've never waited more than 10 days. He can't be honest because it would destroy his narrative.
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You are lying and you are married to a doctor. I guess you left that out. Lol
 
vegas giants said:
Our system is great if you are rich
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Our system is AWESOME for those who fully participate. You cannot conscript medical facilities to provide services to those that don't pay. Here's a question....two people, same exact medical condition, who should get priority treatment...the one who paid for their medical insurance for decades or the one who never paid a dime?
 
VanceMack said:
We are a nation of 330 million people. Prior to the passage of Obamacare, 87% of Americans were insured and the vast majority did not face catastrophic health care bills, even with major surgery. For 240 years, we managed to do just fine without the crown imposing mandatory healthcare and increased taxes. SOME states and citizens even decided for themselves to create state run healthcare plans and some liked it, some didnt, but it was still a local decision.

The alternative was never 'going broke paying for surgery'. The alternative for the vast majority was relatively affordable healthcare with plans they chose. Was there room for change? ABSOLUTELY. But the passage of the ACA was not the answer to that change. The fact is, the ACA was built to fail...and it was nothing more than a stepping stone to the ultimate goal of universal healthcare. And its still coming.

That being said...I'm not Swedish. I hope they love their healthcare and think its the best system on the planet. We are not in any way shape or form, Sweden. Similarly, I hope Canadians love their healthcare. I hope those in the UK love their healthcare. For every American healthcare horror story, there are similar stories in all those countries. But you know what? I dont much give a **** about Canadian healthcare...or British healthcare, or Swedens healthcare. Good on them. If they dont mind paying half their pay checks in taxes for substandard care...be my guest.
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13% is a pretty large number, in my opinion. However, I agree with you : ACA was a failure and was not the answer to the challenges we see today. In my opinion, we should tackle the problem of huge drug prices that lead to expensive insurance bills. Bring down the price of medication, and insurance will be more affordable.
 
itsforthekids said:
Our system is AWESOME for those who fully participate. You cannot conscript medical facilities to provide services to those that don't pay. Here's a question....two people, same exact medical condition, who should get priority treatment...the one who paid for their medical insurance for decades or the one who never paid a dime?
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They should both get it at exactly the same time. Who are you to decide which child lives?
 
vegas giants said:
I waited 5 months to see a specialist in the us and I have great insurance
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You might want to move if you waited that long. As bad as many seem to believe Mississippi is, you can see a specialist within days. When I needed to see someone about my back I had an appointment within 3 days and less than a week from that I had my surgery.
 
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