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Canadian health care, the truth

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I hear right-wingers bash Canadian health-care a lot

First off, in my work I've met over 50 Canadians in the last 2 years I always ask "would you trade your Health Care Systems of America?" The answer thus
far has been a unanimous, "NO!"

Testimony from a Canadian doctor before anti Canadian Healthcare senator,


 
I hear right-wingers bash Canadian health-care a lot

First off, in my work I've met over 50 Canadians in the last 2 years I always ask "would you trade your Health Care Systems of America?" The answer thus
far has been a unanimous, "NO!"

Testimony from a Canadian doctor before anti Canadian Healthcare senator,




It was interesting that the "take down" Canadian (doctor?), in the OP linked video, noted that when Australia (again?) allowed a private medical care 'option' that wait times at (only?) public facilities increased. Of course, no reason for that was stated and, even more curiously, none was even asked for.

IMHO, the (non-disclosed) reason for the increase in public system wait times was that medical care providers could then earn more, and give better care, by electing to work at the private (multi-payer?) facilities in their area. Could this also be the reason that many (most?) UHC advocates in the US now seem to have stopped proposing the addition of a public option and instead now insist on a 100% public M4A system which outlaws any private competition?
 
I hear right-wingers bash Canadian health-care a lot

First off, in my work I've met over 50 Canadians in the last 2 years I always ask "would you trade your Health Care Systems of America?" The answer thus
far has been a unanimous, "NO!"

Testimony from a Canadian doctor before anti Canadian Healthcare senator,




I wouldn't trade a used condom for ObamaCare, how is this surprising?

"This just in: Canadians aren't Stupid!"
 
It was interesting that the "take down" Canadian (doctor?), in the OP linked video, noted that when Australia (again?) allowed a private medical care 'option' that wait times at (only?) public facilities increased. Of course, no reason for that was stated and, even more curiously, none was even asked for.

IMHO, the (non-disclosed) reason for the increase in public system wait times was that medical care providers could then earn more, and give better care, by electing to work at the private (multi-payer?) facilities in their area. Could this also be the reason that many (most?) UHC advocates in the US now seem to have stopped proposing the addition of a public option and instead now insist on a 100% public M4A system which outlaws any private competition?

Let's trade population numbers and see how each's current health care works. (2010 - US 308.7 million, Canada 34.1 million) Old data I know but lets assume that the US still has about 10x the population as Canada.

Both have a lot they could improve on, but clearly one the US issues is the amount of people that need healthcare.
 
I hear right-wingers bash Canadian health-care a lot

First off, in my work I've met over 50 Canadians in the last 2 years I always ask "would you trade your Health Care Systems of America?" The answer thus
far has been a unanimous, "NO!"

Testimony from a Canadian doctor before anti Canadian Healthcare senator,




 
I hear right-wingers bash Canadian health-care a lot

First off, in my work I've met over 50 Canadians in the last 2 years I always ask "would you trade your Health Care Systems of America?" The answer thus
far has been a unanimous, "NO!"

Testimony from a Canadian doctor before anti Canadian Healthcare senator,




 



One canadian. well, I've discussed with many more than that from Canada. So far, despite it's flaws, they don't want to trade it for that of America's.

No system is perfect, and anyone can complain about any country's system. Consensus has more value than a single opinion, this I know.
 
It was interesting that the "take down" Canadian (doctor?), in the OP linked video, noted that when Australia (again?) allowed a private medical care 'option' that wait times at (only?) public facilities increased. Of course, no reason for that was stated and, even more curiously, none was even asked for.

IMHO, the (non-disclosed) reason for the increase in public system wait times was that medical care providers could then earn more, and give better care, by electing to work at the private (multi-payer?) facilities in their area. Could this also be the reason that many (most?) UHC advocates in the US now seem to have stopped proposing the addition of a public option and instead now insist on a 100% public M4A system which outlaws any private competition?

Okay, if you are going to make a financial argument, answer me this, why does Canada spend less of its GDP on Health Care then the US does?
 
Okay, if you are going to make a financial argument, answer me this, why does Canada spend less of its GDP on Health Care then the US does?

Well .. lets start with the fact that the basic government insurance.. doesn't pay for a lot of things that American insurances do pay for.. things like pharmaceuticals, outpatient therapies and so forth. Sure.. they have private insurance for some of it,, and provincial/territory programs also fill in.. but a portion of the population has only the basic coverage.

then there is the fact that Canada as a government as the only payer for basic coverage can aggressively lower its costs.. of course this also means less providers and so forth (greater wait times).. but it is cheaper.

then the government has controls on medication pricing.

Then there is cost shifting.. like providing public education for physicians, while in the US the medical bill in part reflects the cost of physician education.. since its passed on to their customers.

Then there is the savings they get from everyone covered with basic heatlh insurance

that's a start.
 
One canadian. well, I've discussed with many more than that from Canada. So far, despite it's flaws, they don't want to trade it for that of America's.

No system is perfect, and anyone can complain about any country's system. Consensus has more value than a single opinion, this I know.

Yeah, that's great. People told their are entitled to free healthcare refuse to change to paying for it...

SHOCKING PROOF PEOPLE... are stupid. Next point?
 
Okay, if you are going to make a financial argument, answer me this, why does Canada spend less of its GDP on Health Care then the US does?

Their doctors make less money and they have fewer malpractice lawsuits. I also believe that they regulate medical care at province (state) level.
 
I wouldn't trade a used condom for ObamaCare, how is this surprising?

"This just in: Canadians aren't Stupid!"

I'm convinced!! We should move to single payer in all industries, not just health care?

Honestly, the Canadian system is a better form of socialism than our convoluted spaghetti socialist system, but we know that socialism is very inefficient (think Cuba/Florida or 132 other examples) and not innovative. Thus, the simple solution is Republican capitalism wherein prices would be cut about 80% and 10-20 years added to our life spans. Do you understand?
 
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Yeah, that's great. People told their are entitled to free healthcare refuse to change to paying for it...

SHOCKING PROOF PEOPLE... are stupid. Next point?


Congratulations! You have expressed a mindless claim, which equals exactly nothing.
 
Their doctors make less money and they have fewer malpractice lawsuits. I also believe that they regulate medical care at province (state) level.

The basic standards are set at the federal level. The provinces can provide more coverage than federally required, and the provinces run the system. Each province tends to have their own method of delivery
 
Well .. lets start with the fact that the basic government insurance.. doesn't pay for a lot of things that American insurances do pay for.. things like pharmaceuticals, outpatient therapies and so forth. Sure.. they have private insurance for some of it,, and provincial/territory programs also fill in.. but a portion of the population has only the basic coverage.

then there is the fact that Canada as a government as the only payer for basic coverage can aggressively lower its costs.. of course this also means less providers and so forth (greater wait times).. but it is cheaper.
Most business's offer as part of a benefits program extra health care coverage (as done in the US) I can not speak about other provinces but my own for what is covered (some cover basic dental, mine does not). But

For coverage, visits to a doctor, clinic or hospital is fully covered if you are a resident of the province. The majority of surgeries are fully covered including the drugs taken during the stay in the hospital. Drugs taken outside of the hospital are not covered, but nearly all FT employment includes benefits in which covered drugs can be covered in part or full.

Basic medical devices are generally covered ie plaster casts. While fiberglass or the plastic casts are not and require outside payment. Rehab is generally not covered (probably a stupid thing in many cases) so after say hip surgery the patient will have to pay for rehab themselves or through their benefits program.

For myself, when I had my gall bladder removed, I was out of pocket $0 dollars, for the visits to the doctor prior, the ultrasounds taken, and the surgery. Yes my taxes paid for it, but in direct payments I paid nothing for it
then the government has controls on medication pricing.

Then there is cost shifting.. like providing public education for physicians, while in the US the medical bill in part reflects the cost of physician education.. since its passed on to their customers.

Then there is the savings they get from everyone covered with basic heatlh insurance

that's a start.

Medical students in Canada do have significant educational costs as well, they rack up mass student debts, perhaps not to the same extent as US students but loans of $100 000 are not uncommon. The pay is not horrible, a coworkers whose wife is on the road to becoming an doctor not sure of the specialty is from he said going to be getting a salary of over $400 000 a year
 
Medical students in Canada do have significant educational costs as well, they rack up mass student debts, perhaps not to the same extent as US students but loans of $100 000 are not uncommon. The pay is not horrible, a coworkers whose wife is on the road to becoming an doctor not sure of the specialty is from he said going to be getting a salary of over $400 000 a year

Primary-care physicians include family doctors, pediatricians, internal-medicine specialists and obstetrician-gynecologists. Those in the U.S. earned an average after expenses in 2008 of $186,582, versus $125,000 in Canada, $159,000 in Britain and just $92,000 in Australia.Sep 14, 2011

Canadian system is basically communist. Do we want that here in health care and all industries when we know how communism impoverishes people?
 
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I hear right-wingers bash Canadian health-care a lot

First off, in my work I've met over 50 Canadians in the last 2 years I always ask "would you trade your Health Care Systems of America?" The answer thus
far has been a unanimous, "NO!"

Testimony from a Canadian doctor before anti Canadian Healthcare senator,


People cling to what they're familiar with, of course. Got anything else?
 
Most business's offer as part of a benefits program extra health care coverage (as done in the US) I can not speak about other provinces but my own for what is covered (some cover basic dental, mine does not).

Yep.. which means that your health insurance is tied to your employment.. (while advocates of single payer in America claim that going to a Canadian style will do away with healthcare being tied to employment).

For coverage, visits to a doctor, clinic or hospital is fully covered if you are a resident of the province. The majority of surgeries are fully covered including the drugs taken during the stay in the hospital. Drugs taken outside of the hospital are not covered, but nearly all FT employment includes benefits in which covered drugs can be covered in part or full.

right.. in America if you have medicare or Medicaid.. or obamacare.. (subsidized healthcare).. the drugs, and therapy etc.. are all covered as part of the essential health benefits (in other words they have to be covered). thus.. if we went to a Canadian program.. a lot of people that have health insurance.. would end up with worse health insurance than they have now.

Or course. those who are not covered at all.. would be happier (possibly).

For myself, when I had my gall bladder removed, I was out of pocket $0 dollars, for the visits to the doctor prior, the ultrasounds taken, and the surgery. Yes my taxes paid for it, but in direct payments I paid nothing for it

Yep.. which is in part why your country loves your healthcare. Now me.. I had abdominal surgery and it cost me 3,000 dollars out of pocket.. and I pay 450 a month for healthcare insurance. Now.. that may seem to be a lot.. but.. when you consider what I would have paid in taxes in Canada to then "not have had direct payments".. .. I have actually made out like a bandit with the US system. .

Medical students in Canada do have significant educational costs as well, they rack up mass student debts, perhaps not to the same extent as US students but loans of $100 000 are not uncommon
Average medical debt in the US is about double that.

by 2016, the average medical school debt was up to $190,000, with about 25% of graduates carrying debts higher than $200,000
. https://www.studentdebtrelief.us/news/average-medical-school-debt/

The pay is not horrible, a coworkers whose wife is on the road to becoming an doctor not sure of the specialty is from he said going to be getting a salary of over $400 000 a year
Possible.. though Canada also control access to physicians via its referral critierias.. which reduces the number of specialists.. which in turn.. is more cost effective but certainly would contribute to longer wait times.
 
Yep.. which is in part why your country loves your healthcare. Now me.. I had abdominal surgery and it cost me 3,000 dollars out of pocket.. and I pay 450 a month for healthcare insurance. Now.. that may seem to be a lot.. but.. when you consider what I would have paid in taxes in Canada to then "not have had direct payments".. .. I have actually made out like a bandit with the US system. .

Don't forget the surgery in Canada would cost 1/2 to 1/3 USA cost because their socialism is much more efficient than our socialism
 
Don't forget the surgery in Canada would cost 1/2 to 1/3 USA cost because their socialism is much more efficient than our socialism

So.? I don't pay for the surgery.. I pay for the healthcare insurance. And based on what I would pay on taxes here.. versus what I would pay in taxes in Canada... and the cost of healthcare insurance HERE for me.. I do a lot better in our system than in Canada financially.

If I make more money here in the US.. my healthcare costs don't go up.

If I make more money in Canada.. my healthcare costs go up.. because I have to more tax on that money to fund my healthcare.
 
So.? I don't pay for the surgery.. I pay for the healthcare insurance. And based on what I would pay on taxes here.. versus what I would pay in taxes in Canada... and the cost of healthcare insurance HERE for me.. I do a lot better in our system than in Canada financially.

If I make more money here in the US.. my healthcare costs don't go up.

If I make more money in Canada.. my healthcare costs go up.. because I have to more tax on that money to fund my healthcare.

But you pay excesses on your insurance, don't you?
 
But you pay excesses on your insurance, don't you?

In America you wait days for treatment, in Canada you can wait years for the same treatment. How much is that bad hip or knee pain and loss of quality of life really worth to you?
 
In America you wait days for treatment, in Canada you can wait years for the same treatment. How much is that bad hip or knee pain and loss of quality of life really worth to you?

In America you may never get the treatment. I live in the UK and have the NHS. I can arrange an appointment with my GP the same day. There are good and bad in all systems, and good and bad examples in all countries.
 
In America you may never get the treatment. I live in the UK and have the NHS. I can arrange an appointment with my GP the same day. There are good and bad in all systems, and good and bad examples in all countries.

Maybe, but whose ****ign fault is it that you don't bother to do what's needed to care for yourself? I have compassion for people that are UNABLE literally unable to care for themselves, but if you are able bodied, and fail, that's on you.
 
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