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Consumers flooded with dubious claims about marijuana’s health benefits

American said:
Consumers flooded with dubious claims about marijuana?s health benefits | National | bakersfield.com


Not much of a surprise that people hear what they want. The rabid attempt to make marijuana good and not harmful has been a problem for years. People want to believe that breathing smoke isn't dangerous. Now they want to believe it'll cure disease without any data.
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And why is there little clinical trial studies on marijuana ? Because its a class 1-drug according to the FDA. That needs to change so real studies can be conducted.
 
American said:
Consumers flooded with dubious claims about marijuana?s health benefits | National | bakersfield.com


Not much of a surprise that people hear what they want. The rabid attempt to make marijuana good and not harmful has been a problem for years. People want to believe that breathing smoke isn't dangerous. Now they want to believe it'll cure disease without any data.
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They're just as ban as the people saying it should be banned despite the known benefits, and the known fact it's less harmful than other recreational drugs like alcohol, tobacco or caffeine.
 
spud_meister said:
They're just as ban as the people saying it should be banned despite the known benefits, and the known fact it's less harmful than other recreational drugs like alcohol, tobacco or caffeine.
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Yet to be proven over a long time.
 
American said:
Consumers flooded with dubious claims about marijuana?s health benefits | National | bakersfield.com


Not much of a surprise that people hear what they want. The rabid attempt to make marijuana good and not harmful has been a problem for years. People want to believe that breathing smoke isn't dangerous. Now they want to believe it'll cure disease without any data.
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I would say that in Oregon, the flood of such claims are to get a cannabis medical card. Weed is cheaper in dispensaries for card holders.
 
Praxas said:
As far as I have seen with medical marijuana use, it is used for TREATMENT of a disease to make the patient more comfortable like with cancer treatments. I have never seen anything peer reviewed that says it cures a disease.

However, regardless of its medical treatment use, there is still NO REASON to make it illegal.
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It's better for such purposes than using pain numbing chemicals.

The best believable medical claim I have seen is it helps with the appetite and nausea for chemotherapy patients. My experience is that a high CBD and low THC cannabis goes relieve minor aches, and does give a sens of well being. It's the THC that makes a person high, and as long as you go for low to no THC, I believe it is medicinal.
 
Ikari said:
Big tobacco doesn't want it legal. They could make some money from it, true, but it's a lot easier to grow and cultivate that tobacco plants, so they cannot completely control that market.
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I quit smoking cigarettes when I was on a 2 week vacation, almost 20 years ago. Every time I wanted a cigarette, I had a bong hit instead. Worked like a charm. After 2 weeks, the need for a cigarette was reduced to just a minor nuisance.
 
Ikari said:
Conservatives love Freedom so long as it's the freedom they agree to allow you to have and under proper government supervision.

lol
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You would be surprised how many conservatives use weed in the shadows.
 
American said:
Yet to be proven over a long time.
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Actually.. its pretty proven over a long time..

Its kind of the irony here.

Because marijuana is a class 1 drug.. its very difficult to study possible medicinal or positive effects on disease...

however.. because marijuana has a long history of being used recreationally,, by folks that have one would consider "addicts".. or heavy users.. this CAN and HAS been studied and a lot.. and the research basically shows that its not as harmful as alcohol or tobacco over the long term.

there are some studies that show links between use and teen suicide/depression.. (but worse with alcohol)... and links between smoking marijuana and lung problems.. (worse with tobacco)

and habitual use and lack of productivity/brain ability.. but again alcohol is worse.
 
American said:
Consumers flooded with dubious claims about marijuana?s health benefits | National | bakersfield.com


Not much of a surprise that people hear what they want. The rabid attempt to make marijuana good and not harmful has been a problem for years. People want to believe that breathing smoke isn't dangerous. Now they want to believe it'll cure disease without any data.
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marijuana in some areas it does very well. It does very well for nausea sufferers and it does very well for epileptic seizures. You're not going to get healthy smoking marijuana but it has medicinal benefits in a few areas.
 
American said:
That's debatable.
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I don't believe any plant that was created by God or nature should be illegal.
On the subject of drugs I am a staunch libertarian. All recreational drugs should be legal as long as they are taken with informed consent. Medicinal drugs should require a prescription. Those that are both should be both. There should be no sales tax on medicine.
 
spud_meister said:
So then what's your justification for alcohol, tobacco and caffeine remaining legal, given we know their harmful effects over both short and long term?
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I don't have to justify anything. :)
 
American said:
I don't have to justify anything. :)
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You are right. You don't have to justify anything. Just the same, I for one am one who has experienced and seen people using weed since the 70's. If you have no experience on the topic, why are you here? If you have experience, how about sharing please.

Yes, there are people who abuse the stuff. Too many at that. I will contend that more people abuse alcohol. I don't see people abusing THC nearly as dangerous as those abusing alcohol. There is no comparison. Alcohol is so much worse when abused.

I have one oil that is 24.3% THC and 55.56% CBD. The total cannabinoids are close to 90%. This makes for a nice balance. Those using it for many of the medicinal purposes only, want the stuff with close to zero THC. I will agree that the THC itself might not be medicinal. Others will disagree. I 100% support the proposal that CBDs are medicinal.

I was never able to find such calming and relaxing weed until it was legalized. I'm a lightweight when it comes to THC, so I never did much all these years. But then I dring little alcohol too. I sure love those CBDs though.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
You are right. You don't have to justify anything. Just the same, I for one am one who has experienced and seen people using weed since the 70's. If you have no experience on the topic, why are you here? If you have experience, how about sharing please.

Yes, there are people who abuse the stuff. Too many at that. I will contend that more people abuse alcohol. I don't see people abusing THC nearly as dangerous as those abusing alcohol. There is no comparison. Alcohol is so much worse when abused.

I have one oil that is 24.3% THC and 55.56% CBD. The total cannabinoids are close to 90%. This makes for a nice balance. Those using it for many of the medicinal purposes only, want the stuff with close to zero THC. I will agree that the THC itself might not be medicinal. Others will disagree. I 100% support the proposal that CBDs are medicinal.

I was never able to find such calming and relaxing weed until it was legalized. I'm a lightweight when it comes to THC, so I never did much all these years. But then I dring little alcohol too. I sure love those CBDs though.
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I'm saying too many people say it's harmless, and I say it has been used regularly under a studied condition to know that for sure. I don't have to be smoking it, to make that statement. If you or anyone else want to puff weed, and tell yourself it's harmless to breathe smoke, that's on you.
 
American said:
I'm saying too many people say it's harmless, and I say it has been used regularly under a studied condition to know that for sure. I don't have to be smoking it, to make that statement. If you or anyone else want to puff weed, and tell yourself it's harmless to breathe smoke, that's on you.
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Saying it's harmless is inaccurate. It's not going to damage your body like other drugs, at least in moderation. Some people don't react well to it. Not dangerously like people who are allergic to peanuts, but the perceived heightening of the senses scares the crap out of some people. I've seen people call 911 over it, because they had a panic attack. It's pretty rare, but the experience scares some people if they had enough to get intoxicated by it for the first time.

Don't worry about me. Like alcohol, I don't puff and drive.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Saying it's harmless is inaccurate. It's not going to damage your body like other drugs, at least in moderation. Some people don't react well to it. Not dangerously like people who are allergic to peanuts, but the perceived heightening of the senses scares the crap out of some people. I've seen people call 911 over it, because they had a panic attack. It's pretty rare, but the experience scares some people if they had enough to get intoxicated by it for the first time.

Don't worry about me. Like alcohol, I don't puff and drive.
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I talking about harmful as in smoking.
 
TheGoverness said:
The people that want to hear what they want, are the people that actively deny the medical benefits of marijuana, and try to act like it's somehow as or more dangerous than alcohol or cigarettes (a complete lie). Fact is, there is no reason to ban marijuana, just like alcohol, and thankfully this country is slowly realizing that, as more and more states legalize it. Hell, even Trump said he'd sign a bill legalizing weed on the federal level.
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Well they don't understand that pot was prohibited by law only to prevent hemp from competing with billion$ worth if other industrial materials.

Not because of any psychoactive effects. That was simply used as a scare tactic to...get it banned.

Furthermore, research on the medical benefits has been denied by law what, for 80 years.

Only vety recently has any real research begun. So yes, pot may well cure cancer and that will be quashed.

It is illegal to cure cancer. Many have done it and been shut down. $350 million in rev. $50 billion in profits.

Cancer is not a disease...it's a business.
 
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American said:
I talking about harmful as in smoking.
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Well, consider this. An average cigarette smoker probably smokes between 30 to 40 cigarettes a day. An average weed smoker probably averages 1-2 joints equivalent a day.

Would you consider that a significant difference of aerosols in the lungs, or not?
 
Lord of Planar said:
Do you think that disagrees with me?

0.8 million smoked over 2 packs a day (40 cigarettes). That puts the average smoker under 40 cigarettes.
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Yes I do.
 
OscarLevant said:
I don't believe any plant that was created by God or nature should be illegal.
On the subject of drugs I am a staunch libertarian. All recreational drugs should be legal as long as they are taken with informed consent. Medicinal drugs should require a prescription. Those that are both should be both. There should be no sales tax on medicine.
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Hmmm I find that interesting.. So I can take heroin.. and that's legal with just informed consent.

But if I get a prednisone pack for a sore neck.. I need a prescription...

Please explain that logic.
 
jaeger19 said:
Hmmm I find that interesting.. So I can take heroin.. and that's legal with just informed consent.

But if I get a prednisone pack for a sore neck.. I need a prescription...

Please explain that logic.
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Heroine is a processed plant product. Not a natural one, and shouldn't be legal. Arguments to make it legal would apply to many other drugs currently only by prescription.
 
jaeger19 said:
Hmmm I find that interesting.. So I can take heroin.. and that's legal with just informed consent.

But if I get a prednisone pack for a sore neck.. I need a prescription...

Please explain that logic.
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Heroin is not medicine, it's a recreational drug. I can buy marijuana legally in california, but I need a prescription for vicodin.

I would support highly controlling it's use for the highly addictive drugs, heroin, meth, etc, such as a special quarantined place where the government gives out heroin, under dr supervision, where the users live in a quarantined environment, their use subject to classes, therapy, help to get them off the drug.

I don't support as much freedom for those drugs as I would for marijuana, kratom, hashish. My reasoning is that for those highly addictive drugs, users would gladly give up their freedom so they can get the drug, and put up with classes, etc. Because now they don't have to turn tricks, or steal, to get it, and for addicts, there is only one thing that matters in their lives, the drug. The idea is that , over time, they will be reached with the programs and dr supervision, therapy, group therapy, etc.

Fentonyl, should be replaced with herion, and given according to above.

I'm not an expert on these, I'll let someone who is an expert, and a libertarian, to come up with a detailed ethical solution.,

but, prohibition of anything, as history proves, causes more problems than it solves.
 
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