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Bernie sanders on single payer health care: ‘there will be pain’

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[FONT=&quot]SANDERS: "You have people hounding doctors about what kind of medicine they should be able to use. So forth and so on. Will those people lose their jobs when we have healthcare-for-all guaranteed through a single payer system? The answer is, yes. On the other hand, we have a lack of doctors in this country, a lack of nurses, a lack of nurse practitioners, a lack of dentists. We are an aging population. We need more people working with our older people. We’ll create more jobs under a rational Medicare-for-all system than it currently exists. There will be a transition just in the same way as we have to transform our energy system away from fossil fuel. We create more jobs, but there will be pain and you got to deal with that pain."[/FONT]
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https://news.grabien.com/story-bernie-sanders-single-payer-health-care-there-will-be-pain

Yes Bernie, so many smart, driven people will want to work for less, in an over controlled highly regulated and bureaucratized single payer system! Why the best and brightest will flock... oh wait, no they won't. We'll end up like the rest of the idiots on single payer, rationed with long wait times and lesser people as doctor because the bright folks that once wanted to be doctors will find other better pursuits.
 
Renae said:
https://news.grabien.com/story-bernie-sanders-single-payer-health-care-there-will-be-pain

Yes Bernie, so many smart, driven people will want to work for less, in an over controlled highly regulated and bureaucratized single payer system! Why the best and brightest will flock... oh wait, no they won't. We'll end up like the rest of the idiots on single payer, rationed with long wait times and lesser people as doctor because the bright folks that once wanted to be doctors will find other better pursuits.
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Other developed nations are happier with their socialized health care.
 
Geoist said:
Other developed nations are happier with their socialized health care.
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Really? Even if they're Canadians with cancer facing a 6 month wait for care? They don't pop over the border to the US for treatment if they can afford it?
 
Renae said:
https://news.grabien.com/story-bernie-sanders-single-payer-health-care-there-will-be-pain

Yes Bernie, so many smart, driven people will want to work for less, in an over controlled highly regulated and bureaucratized single payer system! Why the best and brightest will flock... oh wait, no they won't. We'll end up like the rest of the idiots on single payer, rationed with long wait times and lesser people as doctor because the bright folks that once wanted to be doctors will find other better pursuits.
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You seem to be saying that people on Medicare, a single payer system, have long wait times, rationed physicians, and less qualified doctors? If so, you are completely, totally, wrong!
 
Spartacus FPV said:
Really? Even if they're Canadians with cancer facing a 6 month wait for care? They don't pop over the border to the US for treatment if they can afford it?
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No system is perfect, especially Canada's.

I know you are trying to say single payer is the cause of the long wait times. If that were the case, Germany, France, and Switzerland would be worse than the US when it comes to wait time. They are not.
 
Spartacus FPV said:
Really? Even if they're Canadians with cancer facing a 6 month wait for care? They don't pop over the border to the US for treatment if they can afford it?
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Do you have a link to back up that idiocy? 6 month wait for cancer patients, spare us the BS.
 
The American health care system is headed for a meltdown. It was before the ACA, and we're still on track for a major crisis.

Hopefully sanity will prevail when it happens.
 
Geoist said:
What a great rebuttal... :roll:
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It's true. Free stuff from government comes with caveats, like long wait times, bureaucrats controlling your healthcare, higher taxes, less accountability and due to the lower pay single payer countries pay their doctors less incentive for the best people to be doctors.
 
Geoist said:
No system is perfect, especially Canada's.

I know you are trying to say single payer is the cause of the long wait times. If that were the case, Germany, France, and Switzerland would be worse than the US when it comes to wait time. They are not.
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I can testify to that. I've had experience with healthcare in all three countries and it was fantastic each time.
 
Renae said:
It's true. Free stuff from government comes with caveats, like long wait times, bureaucrats controlling your healthcare, higher taxes, less accountability and due to the lower pay single payer countries pay their doctors less incentive for the best people to be doctors.
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Bureaucrats do not control health care in the US?

Insurance companies and HMO's do not have bureaucrats determining what they will and will not cover for peoples health care?
 
A bit of a generalisation, but:

US - people become doctors because they want to earn lots of money.

UK - people become doctors because they want to help people.
 
Renae said:
Cataract - Wait Times Cataract wait times are around 3 months
Hip replacements?
Hip Replacement - Wait Times 6 months
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Spartacus's post had two myths in it. He said:

Spartacus FPV said:
Really? Even if they're Canadians with cancer facing a 6 month wait for care?
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Myth #4 in the AARP article.

They don't pop over the border to the US for treatment if they can afford it?
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Myth #1 in the AARP article.

Defending two myths at the same time? Nice winning strategy you have there, Renae! :lol:
 
Renae said:
It's true.

Free stuff from government comes with caveats,

like long wait times,

bureaucrats controlling your healthcare,

higher taxes,

less accountability

and due to the lower pay single payer countries pay their doctors less incentive for the best people to be doctors.
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So much crap, so little time. Perhaps there is a pony in there...

Everything comes with caveats.

Actually, try looking at the countries that put more money into it, and have found ways to have short wait times, sometimes shorter than us...

Bureaucrats control your health care now. They get paid extra to say no...

No country pays anywhere near as much as we do. England his similar health care outcomes at half the cost, just as an example.

Accountability varies a lot from country to country. There are a number of things to look at here, you'd have to break that down, and get specific.

Actually, studies show Docs are happier in some of those countries with national health care. It's not just about money.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nt-work/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e8e674cff894
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Bureaucrats do not control health care in the US?

Insurance companies and HMO's do not have bureaucrats determining what they will and will not cover for peoples health care?
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Ssshhhh, we do not talk about such things here. That would lead to a fairer debate, and we can't have that. /s
 
Renae said:
It's true. Free stuff from government comes with caveats, like long wait times, bureaucrats controlling your healthcare, higher taxes, less accountability and due to the lower pay single payer countries pay their doctors less incentive for the best people to be doctors.
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There is no such thing as 'free stuff' from the government (and yes, I am critical of those on the Left who call any government program 'free'). The United States has generally longer wait times than Germany, Switzerland, and France, so your argument there doesn't fly.

Yes, government intervention in health care comes with caveats, but so does capitalist health care.
 
late said:
So much crap, so little time. Perhaps there is a pony in there...

Everything comes with caveats.

Actually, try looking at the countries that put more money into it, and have found ways to have short wait times, sometimes shorter than us...

Bureaucrats control your health care now. They get paid extra to say no...

No country pays anywhere near as much as we do. England his similar health care outcomes at half the cost, just as an example.

Accountability varies a lot from country to country. There are a number of things to look at here, you'd have to break that down, and get specific.

Actually, studies show Docs are happier in some of those countries with national health care. It's not just about money.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nt-work/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e8e674cff894
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Yes yes we know, your pet desire to make others pay for what you should be providing for yourself is amazing and just look at THESE smaller countries, they are so happy...
 
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