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Anti-depressants and other brain drugs, the real threat to society.[W:124]

Renae

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Look, when Kate Spade died, I was sad for her family, how could someone with so much (loving family, success in the Fashion industry) do such a thing. Oh mental illness. Damn, sucks. I mean seriously. It was Bourdain's suicide this morning that really made me mad.

Dude was a rock star of chef's as it were, a great host, wonderful travel shows... and he just, killed himself.

We've long suspected that there is a link between these shooting rampages in schools and other places, many many of them are on brain drugs (catch all for the myriad of drugs for depression, bi-polar and what not) and now another suicide in the news.

It's like every bad feeling has a drug ready to fix it! People don't deal with their problems they pill them away, and those pills break your brain.

This, is the epidemic that we need to focus on, not gun control, not diagnosing and codifying everything as a "You suffer from..."

No you suffer from "Not dealing with life". ARE there people with real mental disorders? Absolutely, and they need treatment and help. Giving people a pill and saying "Go be drugged and happy" is killing us.
 
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Renae said:
Look, when Kate Spade died, I was sad for her family, how could someone with so much (loving family, success in the Fashion industry) do such a thing. Oh mental illness. Damn, sucks. I mean seriously. It was Bourdain's suicide this morning that really made me mad.

Dude was a rock star of chef's as it were, a great host, wonderful travel shows... and he just, killed himself.

We've long suspected that there is a link between these shooting rampages in schools and other places, many many of them are on brain drugs (catch all for the myriad of drugs for depression, bi-polar and what not) and now another suicide in the news.

It's like every bad feeling has a drug ready to fix it! People don't deal with their problems they pill them away, and those pills break your brain.

This, is the epidemic that we need to focus on, not gun control, not diagnosing and codifying everything as a "You suffer from..."

No you suffer from "Not dealing with life". ARE there people with real mental disorders? Absolutely, and they need treatment and help. Giving people a pill and saying "Go be drugged and happy" is killing us.
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Full disclosure, I’ve taken a low dose anti-depressant for years. It helps keeps anxiety and my OCD in check. People here have seen me literally off my meds and it ain’t pretty. Sincere question, Renae, how is that any different than making the changes to yourself and your body to feel more comfortable in your own skin?
 
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Were both of the recent deaths linked to pharmaceuticals?
 
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X Factor said:
Full disclosure, I’ve taken a low dose anti-depressant for years. It helps keeps anxiety and my OCD in check. How is that any different than making the changes to yourself and your body to feel more comfortable in your own skin?
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Yeah, you're right. Suicides at all time highs, shootings at schools, it's the same thing as hormone replacement therapy, it's all good.

My bad disregard the thread, X takes some low dose stuff so it means there is no problem, I'm way off track, carry on.


/smh
 
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Rexedgar said:
Were both of the recent deaths linked to pharmaceuticals?
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Kate Spade was known to be on such. Dunno bout Bourdain, but I'd bet he was.
 
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Renae said:
Yeah, you're right. Suicides at all time highs, shootings at schools, it's the same thing as hormone replacement therapy, it's all good.

My bad disregard the thread, X takes some low dose stuff so it means there is no problem, I'm way off track, carry on.


/smh
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Ok, tried to be nice about it but my real question is who are you to judge anyone else for taking any meds?
 
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X Factor said:
Full disclosure, I’ve taken a low dose anti-depressant for years. It helps keeps anxiety and my OCD in check. People here have seen me literally off my meds and it ain’t pretty. Sincere question, Renae, how is that any different than making the changes to yourself and your body to feel more comfortable in your own skin?
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Yea, some people need their meds. A few of my friends cannot function properly without their medication. And I need my ADHD meds to concentrate in school.
 
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Renae said:
No you suffer from "Not dealing with life". ARE there people with real mental disorders? Absolutely, and they need treatment and help. Giving people a pill and saying "Go be drugged and happy" is killing us.
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Renae, I'm sure you mean well with this, but you are wrong. Antidepressants save more lives than they take, by a long shot. Not everyone can take them, I'm one of those people, they make me worse, not better. But for many many many people they do a wonderful job of dealing with an awful condition.

If you want to see less people on meds, make society less of a mental illness manufacturer. Don't shame people for trying to deal with the hand they were given however they can...that is the definition of "dealing with life".
 
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OlNate said:
Renae, I'm sure you mean well with this, but you are wrong. Antidepressants save more lives than they take, by a long shot. Not everyone can take them, I'm one of those people, they make me worse, not better. But for many many many people they do a wonderful job of dealing with an awful condition.

If you want to see less people on meds, make society less of a mental illness manufacturer. Don't shame people for trying to deal with the hand they were given however they can...that is the definition of "dealing with life".
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Yeah. If they weren't dealing with the problem, they wouldn't be on pills to begin with.
 
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Renae said:
Yeah, you're right. Suicides at all time highs, shootings at schools, it's the same thing as hormone replacement therapy, it's all good.

My bad disregard the thread, X takes some low dose stuff so it means there is no problem, I'm way off track, carry on.


/smh
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That response seems over the top. I did not see a personal attack in the reply, doesn't make for unemotional discourse......
 
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TheGoverness said:
Yea, some people need their meds. A few of my friends cannot function properly without their medication. And I need my ADHD meds to concentrate in school.
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Honestly, I wish I’d started them sooner. There was a period of about 3 years where I felt constantly under pure stress and it’s taken a toll. If I’d started the meds back then, I would be better off today.
 
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Renae said:
Look, when Kate Spade died, I was sad for her family, how could someone with so much (loving family, success in the Fashion industry) do such a thing. Oh mental illness. Damn, sucks. I mean seriously. It was Bourdain's suicide this morning that really made me mad.

Dude was a rock star of chef's as it were, a great host, wonderful travel shows... and he just, killed himself.

We've long suspected that there is a link between these shooting rampages in schools and other places, many many of them are on brain drugs (catch all for the myriad of drugs for depression, bi-polar and what not) and now another suicide in the news.

It's like every bad feeling has a drug ready to fix it! People don't deal with their problems they pill them away, and those pills break your brain.

This, is the epidemic that we need to focus on, not gun control, not diagnosing and codifying everything as a "You suffer from..."

No you suffer from "Not dealing with life". ARE there people with real mental disorders? Absolutely, and they need treatment and help. Giving people a pill and saying "Go be drugged and happy" is killing us.
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You really don't know much about depression, or anti depressants or you wouldn't make such an ignorant and anecdotal post like this. This is a subject that you really need to walk a mile in the shoes of those afflicted before you can issue a learned opinion on.
 
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X Factor said:
Ok, tried to be nice about it but my real question is who are you to judge anyone else for taking any meds?
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Different kind of meds X. Whole different class and spectrum. I'm sorry I hurt you by pointing out that there is a real problem we need to address. But that might mean you would be faced with confronting your own situation, much better to lash out.
 
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Renae said:
Yeah, you're right. Suicides at all time highs, shootings at schools, it's the same thing as hormone replacement therapy, it's all good.

My bad disregard the thread, X takes some low dose stuff so it means there is no problem, I'm way off track, carry on.


/smh
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Your post really is ignorant, and you come off sounding like a jerk. Again, your knowledge of this issue is glaring, and there is no need to make it personal.
 
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X Factor said:
Honestly, I wish I’d started them sooner. There was a period of about 3 years where I felt constantly under pure stress and it’s taken a toll. If I’d started the meds back then, I would be better off today.
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Same with my ADHD meds. They seriously help me out with concentrating/focusing on one thing at a time. And it especially helps with school.
 
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Renae said:
Different kind of meds X. Whole different class and spectrum. I'm sorry I hurt you by pointing out that there is a real problem we need to address. But that might mean you would be faced with confronting your own situation, much better to lash out.
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Go peddle your anti-scientific twaddle elsewhere.
 
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Renae said:
Look, when Kate Spade died, I was sad for her family, how could someone with so much (loving family, success in the Fashion industry) do such a thing. Oh mental illness. Damn, sucks. I mean seriously. It was Bourdain's suicide this morning that really made me mad.

Dude was a rock star of chef's as it were, a great host, wonderful travel shows... and he just, killed himself.

We've long suspected that there is a link between these shooting rampages in schools and other places, many many of them are on brain drugs (catch all for the myriad of drugs for depression, bi-polar and what not) and now another suicide in the news.

It's like every bad feeling has a drug ready to fix it! People don't deal with their problems they pill them away, and those pills break your brain.

This, is the epidemic that we need to focus on, not gun control, not diagnosing and codifying everything as a "You suffer from..."

No you suffer from "Not dealing with life". ARE there people with real mental disorders? Absolutely, and they need treatment and help. Giving people a pill and saying "Go be drugged and happy" is killing us.
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I look forward to you actually producing evidence for your ridiculous assertions.
 
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OlNate said:
Renae, I'm sure you mean well with this, but you are wrong. Antidepressants save more lives than they take, by a long shot. Not everyone can take them, I'm one of those people, they make me worse, not better. But for many many many people they do a wonderful job of dealing with an awful condition.

If you want to see less people on meds, make society less of a mental illness manufacturer. Don't shame people for trying to deal with the hand they were given however they can...that is the definition of "dealing with life".
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Yeah, how many suicides and shooting rampages?


I guess I should have realized this would be the reaction, so many people on these drugs now, no one wants to ask these questions.

My bad.
 
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OlNate said:
Renae, I'm sure you mean well with this, but you are wrong. Antidepressants save more lives than they take, by a long shot. Not everyone can take them, I'm one of those people, they make me worse, not better. But for many many many people they do a wonderful job of dealing with an awful condition.

If you want to see less people on meds, make society less of a mental illness manufacturer. Don't shame people for trying to deal with the hand they were given however they can...that is the definition of "dealing with life".
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Absolutely they do, my GF works in mental health as a counselor, and I have worked in an administrative management role in the field in the past. Anti depressants are life savers. The groups that complain about them are of the fringe, like the "church" of Scientology. The ignorance that some have about this is really dangerous.
 
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TheGoverness said:
Same with my ADHD meds. They seriously help me out with concentrating/focusing on one thing at a time. And it especially helps with school.
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Same here, I take a very low level amount of ADHD meds, without it, I can't focus on work. Our brains are different, and for the needs of the modern world, they are a godsend.
 
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Too little is known. From Wiki

Bourdain had been known for being an unrepentant drinker and smoker. In a nod to Bourdain's (at the time) two-pack-a-day cigarette habit, renowned chef Thomas Keller once served him a 20-course tasting menu which included a mid-meal "coffee and cigarette": a coffee custard infused with tobacco, together with a foie gras mousse.[84] Bourdain stopped cigarette smoking in the summer of 2007 because of the birth of his daughter.[85] He is also a former user of cocaine, heroin, and LSD. In Kitchen Confidential he wrote of his experience in a trendy SoHo restaurant in 1981: "We were high all the time, sneaking off to the walk-in refrigerator at every opportunity to 'conceptualize.' Hardly a decision was made without drugs. Cannabis, methaqualone, cocaine, LSD, psilocybin mushrooms soaked in honey and used to sweeten tea, secobarbital, tuinal, amphetamine, codeine and, increasingly, heroin, which we'd send a Spanish-speaking busboy over to Alphabet City to get."[86] In the same book, Bourdain frankly described his former addiction, including how he once resorted to selling his record collection on the street in order to raise enough money to purchase drugs.
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Renae said:
Different kind of meds X. Whole different class and spectrum. I'm sorry I hurt you by pointing out that there is a real problem we need to address. But that might mean you would be faced with confronting your own situation, much better to lash out.
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You didn’t hurt me and I’m not the one lashing out. Good thing I’m currently on my meds. :D
 
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Renae said:
Nothing antiscientific about it, dude, how many suicides are linked to these drugs?
https://www.bmj.com/content/350/bmj.h2435
FFS I'm not asking this in a vacuum.
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Duh.

These drugs are linked to depression. That's why they are prescribed.
Being that suicide is linked to depression... it would be virtually impossible for there not to be a correlation between people who use these drugs and suicide.

You obviously don't understand how any of this works.
 
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Renae said:
Yeah, how many suicides and shooting rampages?


I guess I should have realized this would be the reaction, so many people on these drugs now, no one wants to ask these questions.

My bad.
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FFS, Renae, you and your binaries. Of course it's ok to ask the questions. What is not ok is your allegation that people taking them just need to "deal with life". Unless you want to scan your PhD diploma, and cite your numerous scientific papers outlining irrefutable research in this specific field which demonstrates that the vast majority of research done on the subject is wrong.

The last thing a person desperately trying to sort their **** out needs to hear is "you just need to deal with life". I would think you would understand that.
 
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