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Anti-depressants and other brain drugs, the real threat to society.[W:124]

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RabidAlpaca said:
Most people taking artifical hormones are also dressing up as the wrong gender and many kill themselves. If we could just prevent these crazies from taking the hormones they'll stop being trannies and be mentally cured.
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It's not the hormones as a rule. But I get it, X started it so the less imaginative are playing the "oh hypocrite" card. thanks for showing you can't go outside others thinking.
 
Threegoofs said:
Hmmm. Those three things DO have something in common.

Oh. But we cant talk about that.
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I still say Duran Duran. Maybe pop density as a minor factor.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
One would hope more folks take action to reduce their obesity as well.
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Is there a pill for that? lol...bad joke, I know...:doh
 
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Renae said:
It's not the hormones as a rule. But I get it, X started it so the less imaginative are playing the "oh hypocrite" card. thanks for showing you can't go outside others thinking.
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No it's just that your hypocrisy is oozing from your own persona. How dare you insult anyone for changing the chemicals in their bodies when you do what you do.
 
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OlNate said:
Renae, I'm sure you mean well with this, but you are wrong. Antidepressants save more lives than they take, by a long shot. Not everyone can take them, I'm one of those people, they make me worse, not better. But for many many many people they do a wonderful job of dealing with an awful condition.

If you want to see less people on meds, make society less of a mental illness manufacturer. Don't shame people for trying to deal with the hand they were given however they can...that is the definition of "dealing with life".
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How do you know that? Hasn't the use of anti depressants gone up since 1999? And the suicide rate since 1999 has gone up 25%. https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/07/health/suicide-report-cdc/index.html
 
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Bourdain didn't seem depressed to me, he actually seemed to be the definition of vitality, but maybe deep down the empathy and insight that's often produced from depression made him such an amazing person. According to the book "Lincoln's Melancholy" it did just that for Abe Lincoln. Lincoln was very depressed, or "melancholic" as they said back then, but the theory which seems to be proven pretty eloquently in the book suggests he wouldn't have been the incredible leader he was without depression. Depression today is an illness, back then it was a "fearful gift" and it was understood that many very talented and successful people had it. So, is it an illness or a gift? With the right perspective, can a person with depression begin to view it as a gift...or should they? Does it do any good to call it an illness?
 
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JC Callender said:
How do you know that? Hasn't the use of anti depressants gone up since 1999? And the suicide rate since 1999 has gone up 25%. https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/07/health/suicide-report-cdc/index.html
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Your article suggests a correlation between financial drivers and limited access to care, not antidepressants.

"We don't have all the answers. There may be several, but we knew that economic factors can increase the risk of suicide and that limited access to care, behavioral and social services may also increase the risk of suicide," Schuchat said.
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Perhaps if there was better access to care (including antidepressants) there would have been less...at least, that's the take away from the article you linked to.
 
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OlNate said:
Your article suggests a correlation between financial drivers and limited access to care, not antidepressants.



Perhaps if there was better access to care (including antidepressants) there would have been less...at least, that's the take away from the article you linked to.
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So you think it's a coincidence that anti depressant use has gone up 65% in the past 15 years and suicide's have also gone up 25% in the past 18 years? And the main point I'm extracting from the article is the 25% increase in suicides, not the opinion that people don't have access when 65% more people are using them now.
 
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JC Callender said:
So you think it's a coincidence that anti depressant use has gone up 65% in the past 15 years and suicide's have also gone up 25% in the past 18 years? And the main point I'm extracting from the article is the 25% increase in suicides, not the opinion that people don't have access when 65% more people are using them now.
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Yet the number on antidepresssnts doubled in the decade before when SSRIs were introduced to the US, with suicide rates falling by a third.

So the issue clearly isn’t the drugs...it’s the fact that depression seems more prevalent in the US in the past 15 years.
 
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Threegoofs said:
Yet the number on antidepresssnts doubled in the decade before when SSRIs were introduced to the US, with suicide rates falling by a third.

So the issue clearly isn’t the drugs...it’s the fact that depression seems more prevalent in the US in the past 15 years.
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Can you please provide a link to your stats?
 
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JC Callender said:
So you think it's a coincidence that anti depressant use has gone up 65% in the past 15 years and suicide's have also gone up 25% in the past 18 years? And the main point I'm extracting from the article is the 25% increase in suicides, not the opinion that people don't have access when 65% more people are using them now.
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I don't think there is a correlation, no. Your article points to economic factors and a lack of access to help as the primary drivers for the uptick in suicide, while the increase in antidepressant usage is more likely to be due to decreased stigma around mental health, and more people seeking help where they would have gone untreated before.

Again, this is not to say antidepressants are for everyone - I've stated in this thread that I am one of those people, it makes me worse, not better. Thank goodness for pot. But I am an outlier, for most people it helps. For people seeking treatment, monitoring results on an ongoing basis with their doctor is key...another reason why lack of access is a problem.
 
Renae said:
Look, when Kate Spade died, I was sad for her family, how could someone with so much (loving family, success in the Fashion industry) do such a thing. Oh mental illness. Damn, sucks. I mean seriously. It was Bourdain's suicide this morning that really made me mad.

Dude was a rock star of chef's as it were, a great host, wonderful travel shows... and he just, killed himself.

We've long suspected that there is a link between these shooting rampages in schools and other places, many many of them are on brain drugs (catch all for the myriad of drugs for depression, bi-polar and what not) and now another suicide in the news.

It's like every bad feeling has a drug ready to fix it! People don't deal with their problems they pill them away, and those pills break your brain.

This, is the epidemic that we need to focus on, not gun control, not diagnosing and codifying everything as a "You suffer from..."

No you suffer from "Not dealing with life". ARE there people with real mental disorders? Absolutely, and they need treatment and help. Giving people a pill and saying "Go be drugged and happy" is killing us.
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If a medical professional has recommended mental health therapy and medication, you should take it as directed.
 
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OlNate said:
I don't think there is a correlation, no. Your article points to economic factors and a lack of access to help as the primary drivers for the uptick in suicide, while the increase in antidepressant usage is more likely to be due to decreased stigma around mental health, and more people seeking help where they would have gone untreated before.

Again, this is not to say antidepressants are for everyone - I've stated in this thread that I am one of those people, it makes me worse, not better. Thank goodness for pot. But I am an outlier, for most people it helps. For people seeking treatment, monitoring results on an ongoing basis with their doctor is key...another reason why lack of access is a problem.
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I understand your point and I think we'll just have a disagreement. I don't necessarily agree with the opinions in the article, just the 25% rise. I think there's probably an issue with how depression is treated in general nowadays...as a disease instead of something that may be a teaching instrument, and that may cause a sense of hopelessness in people. I feel like negative feelings are often considered illnesses and disorders when they're, imo, often not.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
This case is exactly as I described in my first post. The increased energy level when first starting the anti-depressant. The practitioners needed to be more on top of the patient.
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Well and this is just a guess on my part but it’s not like it was immediately a night and day difference the first time I ever took them. Maybe people new to them think it’s not doing any good and feel extra hopeless, like not even the meds are working. The effect has actually been pretty subtle and the best way I gauge how well they work is to remember what it was like before them.
 
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X Factor said:
Well and this is just a guess on my part but it’s not like it was immediately a night and day difference the first time I ever took them. Maybe people new to them think it’s not doing any good and feel extra hopeless, like not even the meds are working. The effect has actually been pretty subtle and the best way I gauge how well they work is to remember what it was like before them.
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What can happen is that the individual feels more energized but NOT emotionally better, at first. So, they are still massively depressed, but have more energy to act on that depression.
 
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