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Opposition to GMO's is Immoral

Jack Hays

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One of the disappointments of my life was in 2012 when Mitch Daniels decided not to run for President. Here is an example why I thought (and still think) he would have been an excellent choice.

Anti-GMO arguments are immoralBy Mitch Daniels

Of the several claims of “anti-science” that clutter our national debates these days, none can be more flagrantly clear than the campaign against modern agricultural technology, most specifically the use of molecular techniques to create genetically modified organisms (GMOs). Here, there are no credibly conflicting studies, no arguments about the validity of computer models, no disruption of an ecosystem nor any adverse human health or even digestive problems, after 5 billion acres have been cultivated cumulatively and trillions of meals consumed.
And yet a concerted, deep-pockets campaign, as relentless as it is baseless, has persuaded a high percentage of Americans and Europeans to avoid GMO products, and to pay premium prices for “non-GMO” or “organic” foods that may in some cases be less safe and less nutritious. Thank goodness the toothpaste makers of the past weren’t cowed so easily; the tubes would have said “No fluoride inside!” and we’d all have many more cavities.
This is the kind of foolishness that rich societies can afford to indulge. But when they attempt to inflict their superstitions on the poor and hungry peoples of the planet, the cost shifts from affordable to dangerous and the debate from scientific to moral. . . .




 
One of the disappointments of my life was in 2012 when Mitch Daniels decided not to run for President. Here is an example why I thought (and still think) he would have been an excellent choice.

Anti-GMO arguments are immoralBy Mitch Daniels

Of the several claims of “anti-science” that clutter our national debates these days, none can be more flagrantly clear than the campaign against modern agricultural technology, most specifically the use of molecular techniques to create genetically modified organisms (GMOs). Here, there are no credibly conflicting studies, no arguments about the validity of computer models, no disruption of an ecosystem nor any adverse human health or even digestive problems, after 5 billion acres have been cultivated cumulatively and trillions of meals consumed.
And yet a concerted, deep-pockets campaign, as relentless as it is baseless, has persuaded a high percentage of Americans and Europeans to avoid GMO products, and to pay premium prices for “non-GMO” or “organic” foods that may in some cases be less safe and less nutritious. Thank goodness the toothpaste makers of the past weren’t cowed so easily; the tubes would have said “No fluoride inside!” and we’d all have many more cavities.
This is the kind of foolishness that rich societies can afford to indulge. But when they attempt to inflict their superstitions on the poor and hungry peoples of the planet, the cost shifts from affordable to dangerous and the debate from scientific to moral. . . .





WOW Jack, we agree on an issue...
 
GMO are highly OVER RATED... As a farmer I should know.

No yield increase, lots of extra cost to pay a patent holder. Seed companies only sell varieties that can be mutated well, when they have seed stock that will outperform the Trans genetic varieties. But they keep those off the market.

We are over producing the very crops that are most heavily GMO, to the point were in the last 4 years farmers are having a very hard time not making any money, growing huge crops.

I say it is more about hype and royalties than science...
 
GMO are highly OVER RATED... As a farmer I should know.

No yield increase, lots of extra cost to pay a patent holder. Seed companies only sell varieties that can be mutated well, when they have seed stock that will outperform the Trans genetic varieties. But they keep those off the market.

We are over producing the very crops that are most heavily GMO, to the point were in the last 4 years farmers are having a very hard time not making any money, growing huge crops.

I say it is more about hype and royalties than science...

I grew up working on farms, so I'm quite sympathetic, but it seems to me the case is conclusive.

". . . Travel to Africa with any of Purdue University’s three recent World Food Prize winners, and you won’t find the conversation dominated by anti-GMO protesters. There, where more than half of the coming population increase will occur, consumers and farmers alike are eager to share in the life-saving and life-enhancing advances that modern science alone can bring. Efforts to persuade them otherwise, or simply block their access to the next round of breakthroughs, are worse than anti-scientific. They’re immoral. . . ."
 
One of the disappointments of my life was in 2012 when Mitch Daniels decided not to run for President. Here is an example why I thought (and still think) he would have been an excellent choice.

Anti-GMO arguments are immoralBy Mitch Daniels

Of the several claims of “anti-science” that clutter our national debates these days, none can be more flagrantly clear than the campaign against modern agricultural technology, most specifically the use of molecular techniques to create genetically modified organisms (GMOs). Here, there are no credibly conflicting studies, no arguments about the validity of computer models, no disruption of an ecosystem nor any adverse human health or even digestive problems, after 5 billion acres have been cultivated cumulatively and trillions of meals consumed.
And yet a concerted, deep-pockets campaign, as relentless as it is baseless, has persuaded a high percentage of Americans and Europeans to avoid GMO products, and to pay premium prices for “non-GMO” or “organic” foods that may in some cases be less safe and less nutritious. Thank goodness the toothpaste makers of the past weren’t cowed so easily; the tubes would have said “No fluoride inside!” and we’d all have many more cavities.
This is the kind of foolishness that rich societies can afford to indulge. But when they attempt to inflict their superstitions on the poor and hungry peoples of the planet, the cost shifts from affordable to dangerous and the debate from scientific to moral. . . .





We do that all the time and apply our morals and emotions with laws that have horrible consequences on poor people around the world. Regarding GMO there was a situation during the Bush administration, where there was a severe famine somewhere in Africa. For some reason the EU could not deliver aid in time and the only a boat full of GMO corn was available. Bush was happy to unload the boat as a donation, but the EU let it be known that they feared it might find its way into agricultural .....
But let the article tell the story: Better dead than GM-fed? | The Economist

As you see, we do these things intentionally. Let them starve.
 
As someone who owns a farm and keeps bees, I have to disagree with this one, at least to an extent. Along with other beekeepers (in a multi-state, self-funded project), I've tracked colony loss as it correlates to genetically altered soybeans that produce biopesticides being planted within a 2-mile radius of my hives. While some studies indicate biopesticide-producing plants are not detrimental to honeybees, a whole lot of beekeepers feel differently. I've consistently lost hives during soybean bloom season when these plants were within the 2-mile radius. I have many hives, located in different spots in a number of surrounding counties. Hives located farther than the 2-mile radius have far fewer (or no) incidence of collapse.

It may all be a coincidence, but if you're in the beekeeping business, you might not think so. As I said, there's a multi-state initiative right now going on that's tracking colony collapse in correlation with genetically altered soybeans that contain internal pesticide properties.

On the one hand, it's nice to think that we can reduce the amount of broadcast pesticides (and herbicides) by genetically altering plants. Gawd knows we use enough of those chemicals around here that our water tables show high nitrite contents and it's not too safe to drink that water.

But, when the use of broadcast pesticides is reduced (as is the case with biopesticide-producing plants), yet the incidence of colony collapse is drastically increased within a 2-mile radius of those plants (during their bloom season), I think we need to take a closer look.

The only other crop we've noticed that correlates with colony collapse is canola, but, that's rarely planted around here so I, personally, haven't seen any effect. GMO wheat does not appear to correlate with colony collapse.

Like I said -- we aren't scientists and we can't be sure, but there is a notable correlation when biopesticide-producing soybeans are planted within a 2-mile radius (that's standard honeybee harvest distance) of hives.

It warrants further (non-biased) study.
 
Mitch Daniels can kiss my ass. he closed down a public service and a newly renovated school in my town because his fellow republicans misplaced three hundred million dollars and then decided to cut it from schools. the fact that Purdue hired him as president is an insult to many of its its graduates as well as to others who value education.

https://www.politico.com/story/2011/12/indiana-finds-misplaced-300-million-069937

however, knee jerk opposition to GMOs is extremely dumb. in the next fifty years, we are going to have more people than we can feed, and going back to having crops decimated by pests and weeds could result in starvation, wars over resources, and mass death.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/jan/23/gm-foods-world-population-crisis

i have genetically modified bacteria and mammalian cells in tissue culture for research purposes. i would take a job in GMO research to develop crops that can survive and grow in challenging conditions, and i would also eat the food myself after it is tested and qualifies for the GRAS list.

also, i doubt that Mitch Daniels really knows much about GMOs. Purdue is a vibrant research institution, and he's just arguing the position that is best for him in his current position.
 
GMO are highly OVER RATED... As a farmer I should know.

No yield increase, lots of extra cost to pay a patent holder. Seed companies only sell varieties that can be mutated well, when they have seed stock that will outperform the Trans genetic varieties. But they keep those off the market.

We are over producing the very crops that are most heavily GMO, to the point were in the last 4 years farmers are having a very hard time not making any money, growing huge crops.

I say it is more about hype and royalties than science...

There's a big money factor -- to be sure. Monsanto sued a farmer in my county for unauthorized planting of GMO corn. The farmer counter-sued and it settled out of court. Someone tested the farmer's corn the year AFTER he planted GMO seeds. That year he planted non-altered seed but whoever tested that crop found genetically altered corn. The farmer was accused of "saving seed," which is not allowed. However, he was able to show his receipts for purchasing non-altered seed and he also had independent tests that determined not ALL of the corn was genetically altered.

From what I understand, they think a number of the seeds from the previous year's crop were already in the ground, which resulted in some of the corn testing as altered. They settled out of court so I don't know what the dollar figure was, but the talk is that Monsanto had to pay the farmer's legal fees and testing fees.
 
We do that all the time and apply our morals and emotions with laws that have horrible consequences on poor people around the world. Regarding GMO there was a situation during the Bush administration, where there was a severe famine somewhere in Africa. For some reason the EU could not deliver aid in time and the only a boat full of GMO corn was available. Bush was happy to unload the boat as a donation, but the EU let it be known that they feared it might find its way into agricultural .....
But let the article tell the story: Better dead than GM-fed? | The Economist

As you see, we do these things intentionally. Let them starve.

It all leads back to European ignorance and prejudice. We don't need to let that influence our judgment or actions.
 
Mitch Daniels can kiss my ass. he closed down a public service and a newly renovated school in my town because his fellow republicans misplaced three hundred million dollars and then decided to cut it from schools. the fact that Purdue hired him as president is an insult to many of its its graduates as well as to others who value education.

https://www.politico.com/story/2011/12/indiana-finds-misplaced-300-million-069937

however, knee jerk opposition to GMOs is extremely dumb. in the next fifty years, we are going to have more people than we can feed, and going back to having crops decimated by pests and weeds could result in starvation, wars over resources, and mass death.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/jan/23/gm-foods-world-population-crisis

i have genetically modified bacteria and mammalian cells in tissue culture for research purposes. i would take a job in GMO research to develop crops that can survive and grow in challenging conditions, and i would also eat the food myself after it is tested and qualifies for the GRAS list.

also, i doubt that Mitch Daniels really knows much about GMOs. Purdue is a vibrant research institution, and he's just arguing the position that is best for him in his current position.

I doubt your vote was ever in Daniels's reach anyway. He seems like a pretty smart guy.

[h=3]Mitch Daniels - Wikipedia[/h]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitch_Daniels



Mitchell Elias "Mitch" Daniels Jr. (born April 7, 1949) is an American academic administrator, businessman, author, and retired politician who served as the 49th Governor of Indiana from 2005 to 2013. He is a member of the Republican Party. Since 2013, Daniels has been president of Purdue University. Born in ...Early life · ‎Office of Management and ... · ‎Governor · ‎2012 presidential ...
 
As someone who owns a farm and keeps bees, I have to disagree with this one, at least to an extent. Along with other beekeepers (in a multi-state, self-funded project), I've tracked colony loss as it correlates to genetically altered soybeans that produce biopesticides being planted within a 2-mile radius of my hives. While some studies indicate biopesticide-producing plants are not detrimental to honeybees, a whole lot of beekeepers feel differently. I've consistently lost hives during soybean bloom season when these plants were within the 2-mile radius. I have many hives, located in different spots in a number of surrounding counties. Hives located farther than the 2-mile radius have far fewer (or no) incidence of collapse.

It may all be a coincidence, but if you're in the beekeeping business, you might not think so. As I said, there's a multi-state initiative right now going on that's tracking colony collapse in correlation with genetically altered soybeans that contain internal pesticide properties.

On the one hand, it's nice to think that we can reduce the amount of broadcast pesticides (and herbicides) by genetically altering plants. Gawd knows we use enough of those chemicals around here that our water tables show high nitrite contents and it's not too safe to drink that water.

But, when the use of broadcast pesticides is reduced (as is the case with biopesticide-producing plants), yet the incidence of colony collapse is drastically increased within a 2-mile radius of those plants (during their bloom season), I think we need to take a closer look.

The only other crop we've noticed that correlates with colony collapse is canola, but, that's rarely planted around here so I, personally, haven't seen any effect. GMO wheat does not appear to correlate with colony collapse.

Like I said -- we aren't scientists and we can't be sure, but there is a notable correlation when biopesticide-producing soybeans are planted within a 2-mile radius (that's standard honeybee harvest distance) of hives.

It warrants further (non-biased) study.

Interesting, and worth further study. I have not read anything connecting colony collapse to GMO's.
 
I doubt your vote was ever in Daniels's reach anyway. He seems like a pretty smart guy.

[h=3]Mitch Daniels - Wikipedia[/h]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitch_Daniels



Mitchell Elias "Mitch" Daniels Jr. (born April 7, 1949) is an American academic administrator, businessman, author, and retired politician who served as the 49th Governor of Indiana from 2005 to 2013. He is a member of the Republican Party. Since 2013, Daniels has been president of Purdue University. Born in ...Early life · ‎Office of Management and ... · ‎Governor · ‎2012 presidential ...

i was actually a right winger in 2004. i didn't vote for him because he wanted to force DST idiocy on the state. i voted for Gividen.
 
Interesting, and worth further study. I have not read anything connecting colony collapse to GMO's.

Most likely related to crop with the BT trait, a insecticide originally produced in bacteria, but the gene was transferred into at least corn crops
 
GM crops are not the end all be all


The Round Up ready trait has lead to over use, lack of crop rotation and glyphosate resistant weeds becoming more and more common, leading to further herbicide use to get rid of the weeds that have the resistance

BT Corn and farmers not following planting instructions have lead to the growth in worms resistant to BT. Limiting that trait use. BT is supposed to be safe for humans to consume, but unlike sprayed BT when it is produced by the crop itself, it can not be just washed off.

Very little of the commercial research has been to produce healthier crops (healthier to eat) but to increase yields by allowing more chemicals to be used

Now crops are having chemicals (insecticides, fungicides) being sprayed on the seed, on the ground before the crop sprout, at the end of the growing season to dry the crop and on the field as a burn down before planting the next crop.

Not to mention the spraying or use of bacteria to increase yields in Soybean, bean, pea etc type crops (a way to naturally increase nitrogen in the crop
 
As someone who owns a farm and keeps bees, I have to disagree with this one, at least to an extent. Along with other beekeepers (in a multi-state, self-funded project), I've tracked colony loss as it correlates to genetically altered soybeans that produce biopesticides being planted within a 2-mile radius of my hives. While some studies indicate biopesticide-producing plants are not detrimental to honeybees, a whole lot of beekeepers feel differently. I've consistently lost hives during soybean bloom season when these plants were within the 2-mile radius. I have many hives, located in different spots in a number of surrounding counties. Hives located farther than the 2-mile radius have far fewer (or no) incidence of collapse.

It may all be a coincidence, but if you're in the beekeeping business, you might not think so. As I said, there's a multi-state initiative right now going on that's tracking colony collapse in correlation with genetically altered soybeans that contain internal pesticide properties.

On the one hand, it's nice to think that we can reduce the amount of broadcast pesticides (and herbicides) by genetically altering plants. Gawd knows we use enough of those chemicals around here that our water tables show high nitrite contents and it's not too safe to drink that water.

But, when the use of broadcast pesticides is reduced (as is the case with biopesticide-producing plants), yet the incidence of colony collapse is drastically increased within a 2-mile radius of those plants (during their bloom season), I think we need to take a closer look.

The only other crop we've noticed that correlates with colony collapse is canola, but, that's rarely planted around here so I, personally, haven't seen any effect. GMO wheat does not appear to correlate with colony collapse.

Like I said -- we aren't scientists and we can't be sure, but there is a notable correlation when biopesticide-producing soybeans are planted within a 2-mile radius (that's standard honeybee harvest distance) of hives.

It warrants further (non-biased) study.

Most likely related to crop with the BT trait, a insecticide originally produced in bacteria, but the gene was transferred into at least corn crops

I suppose the hard question would be how to explain simultaneous colony collapse in Europe, where there are no GMO crops.
 
I have no idea what "DST" is.

daylight saving time. Indiana was one of the few sane states that didn't do pointless clock switching twice a year. Daniels forced it on us.
 
daylight saving time. Indiana was one of the few sane states that didn't do pointless clock switching twice a year. Daniels forced it on us.

Hmmm. I grew up in Indiana (left in 1972). We switched every year.
 
I suppose the hard question would be how to explain simultaneous colony collapse in Europe, where there are no GMO crops.

The other and more commonly accepted cause is the growth in neonicotinoide usage. Those are used in Europe, in the US often used as part of seed treatments for a wide variety of crops
 
I suppose the hard question would be how to explain simultaneous colony collapse in Europe, where there are no GMO crops.

Who knows? We're seeing it all over the world and pesticides of different types may play a role. But, there are other things as well, such as reduced immunity due to the meds and treatments we use to eradicate problems like mites. Domestication might factor in. We're seeing less colony collapse in African bee colonies. Everyone has different ideas and all of them should probably be studied before ruling them out. We're putting a lot of chemicals into our environment - but - maybe it doesn't have anything at all to do with chemicals.

We really don't know, but we're all trying to figure it out. Not just beekeepers like me -- a lot of folks that are a lot more knowledgeable than I am in the sciences. I just record my results and track the crops within a 2-mile range of my hives.
 
As someone who owns a farm and keeps bees, I have to disagree with this one, at least to an extent. Along with other beekeepers (in a multi-state, self-funded project), I've tracked colony loss as it correlates to genetically altered soybeans that produce biopesticides being planted within a 2-mile radius of my hives. While some studies indicate biopesticide-producing plants are not detrimental to honeybees, a whole lot of beekeepers feel differently. I've consistently lost hives during soybean bloom season when these plants were within the 2-mile radius. I have many hives, located in different spots in a number of surrounding counties. Hives located farther than the 2-mile radius have far fewer (or no) incidence of collapse.

It may all be a coincidence, but if you're in the beekeeping business, you might not think so. As I said, there's a multi-state initiative right now going on that's tracking colony collapse in correlation with genetically altered soybeans that contain internal pesticide properties.

On the one hand, it's nice to think that we can reduce the amount of broadcast pesticides (and herbicides) by genetically altering plants. Gawd knows we use enough of those chemicals around here that our water tables show high nitrite contents and it's not too safe to drink that water.

But, when the use of broadcast pesticides is reduced (as is the case with biopesticide-producing plants), yet the incidence of colony collapse is drastically increased within a 2-mile radius of those plants (during their bloom season), I think we need to take a closer look.

The only other crop we've noticed that correlates with colony collapse is canola, but, that's rarely planted around here so I, personally, haven't seen any effect. GMO wheat does not appear to correlate with colony collapse.

Like I said -- we aren't scientists and we can't be sure, but there is a notable correlation when biopesticide-producing soybeans are planted within a 2-mile radius (that's standard honeybee harvest distance) of hives.

It warrants further (non-biased) study.

I to wonder about the effects on Bee's and other of nature's creatures .. BTW there is no GMO wheat. The wheat producers keep it that way, since most wheat may be fed to human's not animals. Monsanto tried but the Wheat Growers and the USDA keep wheat clean of GMO's unless something has changed.
 
I to wonder about the effects on Bee's and other of nature's creatures .. BTW there is no GMO wheat. The wheat producers keep it that way, since most wheat may be fed to human's not animals. Monsanto tried but the Wheat Growers and the USDA keep wheat clean of GMO's unless something has changed.

That's interesting. I think KSU has some test fields nearby (I could be wrong about that) but I know we (the beekeepers) haven't run into any trouble except for in the GMO soybean and canola areas (not canola for me, personally). As I mentioned, there's GMO corn in the vicinity, but I've not heard of it impacting hives. The problem -- if there is a link -- is that reduced pollinators really have a negative impact on the quantity of the harvest when it comes to things like orchards and vegetables.

Like I said -- we can't prove anything more than a correlation -- we're not set up for scientific testing that could show causation, but we'll submit our data. It's not quite the guesswork it might appear to be because a hive will pollinate a single species before moving on to the next, that reduces a little guesswork as to where they've been before a hive dies -- to whatever species just had its bloom season. That's how beekeepers are able to sell "clover" honey or "alfalfa" honey, etc.

One interesting thing we heard at one of our meetings from a beekeeper in the south of the state (where they have more canola), is that his honey didn't "lock down" after his bees pollinated a nearby GMO canola field. All hearsay, mind you, but his claim was that his bees pollinated the field but his honey stayed runny. Canola honey tends to harden in the hives and requires different harvesting methods - pasteurization - to soften it again. There's always the possibility that his hives didn't visit that particular field, although it was within their range, however, so, as I said -- not scientific testing here -- just recording of observed data.

I do wish we could find out what's doing it, however, because it's expensive to replace mature hives and beside that, I have a kind of affinity for my little buzzing friends.
 
It all leads back to European ignorance and prejudice. We don't need to let that influence our judgment or actions.

We shouldn't in any event. But I believe less in the ignorance of European politicians than in their using fear as a non tariff trade barrier.
 
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