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More recent evidence that capitalism would reduce health care costs 80%

why not switch to capitalism since we know it is far more efficient? Remember East/West Germany

Because despite what you claim costs would rise even higher. there are thigns that can be done to the US system that would help while keeping it a for profit system what you are proposing however will increase costs not reduce them

NOW DO YOU UNDERRSTAND???????
 
why not switch to capitalism since we know it is far more efficient? Remember East/West Germany

West Germany has public health care

NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
 
West Germany has public health care

actually subject is not what West Germany has in health care now but who did better and why East Germany or West Germany Why be so afraid to answer?
 
Because despite what you claim costs would rise even higher.

why do you think costs go up under capitalism when survival depends on having the lowest cost or prices??
 
what you are proposing however will increase costs not reduce them

I am proposing capitalism wherein survival depends on having to lowest costs and highest quality. Do you understand that as a liberal you got it backwards again?
 
you have evidence of that I will pay you $10,000. Bet? or run away with your liberal tail between your legs?

You still owe me $20k for the times I proved you wrong.
 
why do you think costs go up under capitalism when survival depends on having the lowest cost or prices??

Because people will pay anything to stay alive and thus hospitals, pharmaceutical companies etc can charge more and more and people will pay and pay
DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW???????????
 
actually subject is not what West Germany has in health care now but who did better and why East Germany or West Germany Why be so afraid to answer?

No You tried to use the argument West Germany had better health care than East Germany as a reason why socialized health care is worse and yet you failed utterly to understand that West Germany has socialized health care and thus your argument is completely invalid

Not my fault if you are uneducated and dont do logic
 
I am proposing capitalism wherein survival depends on having to lowest costs and highest quality. Do you understand that as a liberal you got it backwards again?

Yes I understand what you are proposing but you dont
Most of the developed world has public health care and it is all cheaper than the USA do you know why
Hint whatever garbage you have been told as an answer to that question is wrong, try actually thinking about it.
Why are you afraid to actually think?
 
No You tried to use the argument West Germany had better health care than East Germany

Wrong of course argument was that West Germany did far better than East Germany because west Germany was capitalist and east Germany was socialist. So then the issue becomes why do our libcommies want to copy east Germany. Can you answer this simple question?
 
Quag; said:
Most of the developed world has public health care and it is all cheaper than the USA do you know
2 reasons one the developed world is poore Poor then the United States so their prices are lower because that’s all they can afford secondly and most importantly they are cheaper because they have more efficient socialist systems in place than we do. Do you understand now?
 
Because people will pay anything to stay alive and thus hospitals, pharmaceutical companies etc can charge more and more and people will pay and pay
DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW???????????
People need food to stay alive to and yet prices are very very low because there is Republican capitalist competition just has there should be in healthcare. Now do you understand
 
Wrong of course argument was that West Germany did far better than East Germany because west Germany was capitalist and east Germany was socialist. So then the issue becomes why do our libcommies want to copy east Germany. Can you answer this simple question?

We are talking about health care and West German health care is a public system.
You are so lost in your ideology you dont even realize when you are destroying your own arguments\
Please run dont walk away from your cult it is destroying what is left of your mind.
 
2 reasons one the developed world is poore Poor then the United States so their prices are lower because that’s all they can afford secondly and most importantly they are cheaper because they have more efficient socialist systems in place than we do. Do you understand now?


The USA has the least efficient of all developed nations when it comes to health care it is also the only one without a public health care system

DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?
 
People need food to stay alive to and yet prices are very very low because there is Republican capitalist competition just has there should be in healthcare. Now do you understand

Wow false comparison do you do anything other than logical fallacies?
 
Europe and Canada pay $4000 while USA pays $10,000 thus we inefficiently deliver about the same care at 3 times the cost of Europe and Canada. Now do you understand?

You're confused and just making things up again. First, you are completely making up your numbers, because you have no clue about any actual costs. Secondly, the US already is the only major economy that relies primarily upon a free-market/capitalistic health care system. So what are you talking about with this constant whining about taking America to a "capitalist" system? That makes absolutely no sense, whatsoever. The FACT is........America's "capitalist" private insurance industry operates with an overhead of about 30%, compared to Medicare/Medicaid which operate with an overhead of only 3%. I'm sure that even you can do the math. Capitalist" or "free market" health care is the LEAST efficient method for delivery health care to a population of people. That is just not debatable.


But this is not our subject. Rather, it is whether capitalism could reduces our prices by 80%. Evidence says it could. Now do you understand?

"Evidence"??? Stop lying. Once again....like most wingnut types, you amaze with your ability to fabricate details (i.e. lie). There is NOT ONE example or economic study that even suggests that "capitalism" will reduce costs by even 1%, much less 80%. In fact, almost every economic study done proves that capitalism is LESS efficient and MORE costly at delivering health care as compared to just about ANY form of "socialized" health care in the industrialized world.

what ignorance exactly???

Everything you've posted in this thread has been profoundly ignorant (if not blatantly dishonest).

so what should we conclude when in 132 examples wherein you have capitalism and socialism side by side capitalism does about 5 times better?

You're lying again. 132 examples? Try ZERO, and you'll be correct.

you have evidence of that I will pay you $10,000. Bet? or run away with your liberal tail between your legs?

LOL, listen wingnut...you CLEARLY don't have $10,000, much less $10K that you could afford to wager. Show me (and everyone else to whom you've also offered this empty wager) the $10k, and I'll take your bet.

And, for the record............we are STILL waiting for you to answer the questions in this thread. What are you afraid of?
 
The USA has the least efficient of all developed nations when it comes to health care it is also the only one without a public health care system

DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?

actually Medicare Medcaid, VA, Schip, TRIcare, IMS, Community Clinics, intra state competition, and state by state massive insurance regulation are a public health system and far from Republican capitalism. Liberals lack the IQ to understand what Republican capitalism is so we don't have it and pay 5 times what we should for health care. Got it now?
 
actually Medicare Medcaid, VA, Schip, TRIcare, IMS, Community Clinics, intra state competition, and state by state massive insurance regulation are a public health system and far from Republican capitalism. Liberals lack the IQ to understand what Republican capitalism is so we don't have it and pay 5 times what we should for health care. Got it now?

In a for profit based system and it is still the ONLY western society without a comprehensive public health system.
The reason you are paying more is not because of Medicare Medcaid, VA, Schip, TRIcare, IMS, Community Clinics though the limits on interstate competition do hurt. The real problem is profit is the main concern not providing health care.

NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
 
1) we know from examples like East/West Germany that communists live at about 20% of capitalist standards of living,

2) recent survey of routine appendectomy surgery is socialist CA showed range of $5k to $55k,

3) CBS evening news this week had story about how shopping for drugs reduced price from $700 to $42 for one prescription,

4) neighbor recently complained to Dr. about shortness of breath while playing ice hockey. $11,000 in tests later one cardiologist said borderline pulmonary hypertension, another said not really, ignore it and enjoy hockey. Where's IBM's Watson? Veterinarian said very similar tests for animals on very similar machines would cost $850.

I don’t think you get the industry. It isn’t CAPITALISM that will fix the problem. It is capitalism WITHOUT monopolies. Insurance companies and hospitals have colluded and are screwing us out of a lot of money. Hell. Your insurance plan could be written in a foreign language and it might get easier to understand. Insurance companies are scum. Our system needs an overhaul. But the Democrat solution sucks too.
 
Wow false comparison do you do anything other than logical fallacies?
if false why so afraid to tell us why? what does your fear teach you?
 
Your insurance plan could be written in a foreign language and it might get easier to understand. Insurance companies are scum. Our system needs an overhaul.

not a foreign language but a language designed for the liberal lawyer and court system. Apple gets rich by making very complicated stuff easy to use because they must please their customers according to the rules of capitalism. Insurance companies are crony capitalist, fascist, or socialist organizations, almost a part of the liberal bureaucratic state.
 
You're confused and just making things up again. First, you are completely making up your numbers, because you have no clue about any actual costs.

actually the numbers are in the paper every day!!!

!Health Costs: How the U.S. Compares With Other Countries | PBS ...
https://www.pbs.org/.../health/health-costs-how-the-us-compares-with-other- countries‎
Oct 22, 2012 ... How much is good health care worth to you? $8,233 per year? That's how much the U.S. spends per person. Worth it? That figure is more than two-and-a-half times more than most developed nations in the world, including relatively rich European countries like France, Sweden and the United Kingdom.

should I bother with the rest of your post when you could not get through the first sentence with out an obvious error?????
 
Secondly, the US already is the only major economy that relies primarily upon a free-market/capitalistic health care system. ?

OMG, wrong and wrong on a childish level!!
actually actually Medicare Medcaid, VA Schip TRIcare, IMS, Community Clinics, intra state competition are far from Republican capitalism. Liberals lack the IQ to understand Republican capitalism so we don't have it and pay 3 times what we should.

first 2 sentences and 2 huge obvious errors!! Sad!! See why we say liberalism is based in pure ignorance
 
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