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Obamacare is helping patients get to the doctor and pay their medical bills

First.. lets talk percentages.. the most recent percentages are about 55% to 60 % in the US.. and about the same in Canada. Perhaps a bit less in Canada.. BUT that's also partly because Canada's government insurance DOES NOT cover prescriptions.. while our Medicaid, Medicare and VA benefits and almost all insurances after obamacare do.

Secondly.. the reality is that you are not "sick" if you take cholesterol medication, you are not "sick" if you are like my son that takes prescription medicine for acne.. or has a rescue inhaler, or a 55 year old man that uses the occasional Viagra or Cialis.

You are not "sick".. because you have a staph infection in your finger and get an antibiotic.

Now.. you have prostate cancer or another type of cancer? You are sick. Have heart trouble that requires a bypass or a stent? That's being sick

The fact is.. the vast majority are not sick and require any type of really expensive medical care. (heck its why health insurance is profitable) . . Its why unfortunately many of those that COULD afford insurance in America.. choose to go without.. because they don't think the insurance they have had in the past was worth it..

:lamo Spoken like someone who has never provided medical care (never written a single prescription....never conducted a single physical exam......never performed a single surgery.....etc.) to a single person in his life. At least, not legally. Geez, you don't even realize how stupid your "what is sick" diatribe, above, seems to any real doctor. I suggest you try it out the next time you see someone like me.....and watch him/her laugh out loud, lol.

(why should I pay 500 a month of health insurance when I had it for 5 years and NEVER used it except to go to the doctor for a cold and I had to pay out of pocket for that!).

You're clueless, which is not a crime. But being obstinent about it, as you are.....IS offensive, for sure. Let's take a common surgical condition like Diverticulitis, shall we? A single admission through the ER, and 3-day stay in the ICU for diverticulitis might run you a bill of close to $25K.......if you didn't require surgery. If you did, you'd be looking at another 3-5 day stay (minimum), and another $20-30K in bills, with subsequent follow up surgeries and out-patient visits and long-term prescription costs that would more than double that.

Now, do the math, if you can. The problem with people like you is NOT that you don't buy insurance. It's that BY LAW, doctors like me HAVE to treat you when you come to the ER, and the bills that you can't afford are picked up (BY LAW) by the tax payers and responsible taxpayers who do have health insurance.

nope.... I am reciting the opinions of the population.

You don't speak for "the population". You speak for yourself. As is frequently the problem, you can't tell the difference between your personal opinions and actual FACTS.


First by the way.. there is no such thing as "Canadian Medicare".. they don't have a Canadian Medicare.. they have a system of provincial and territorial public insurances that operate under federal guidelines but are administered by that province or territory.

First, it's always easy to tell when you are reciting words that you Googled from somewhere. And for the record, Canadians don't say "Canadian Medicare", because they just call it "Medicare". Their Medicare is not to be confused with our Medicare (the two are totally different). Again, it's surprising that you don't know this, given your "credentials". LOL.
 
:lamo Spoken like someone who has never provided medical care (never written a single prescription....never conducted a single physical exam......never performed a single surgery.....etc.) to a single person in his life. At least, not legally. Geez, you don't even realize how stupid your "what is sick" diatribe, above, seems to any real doctor. I suggest you try it out the next time you see someone like me.....and watch him/her laugh out loud, lol.
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Yawn... again.. you need to look up.. psychological projection.

Oh.. and obviously you need to work on reading comprehension.. since you appear to have failed to comprehend my post:

Let's take a common surgical condition like Diverticulitis, shall we? A single admission through the ER, and 3-day stay in the ICU for diverticulitis might run you a bill of close to $25K.......if you didn't require surgery. If you did, you'd be looking at another 3-5 day stay (minimum), and another $20-30K in bills, with subsequent follow up surgeries and out-patient visits and long-term prescription costs that would more than double that.

Yep that's nice.

Has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with what I posted. Just a useless rant.

Now, do the math, if you can. The problem with people like you is NOT that you don't buy insurance

Yeah.. I have insurance and provide insurance to my employees. The point I made was that most people are not sick... they pay for insurance and for the most part.. they don't end up getting more out of the insurance than they paid into it. THATS WHY INSURANCE IS PROFITABLE.

And thus its why people can decide to go without insurance.

It's that BY LAW, doctors like me HAVE to treat you when you come to the ER, and the bills that you can't afford are picked up (BY LAW) by the tax payers and responsible taxpayers who do have health insurance
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Yep.. that's the problem with people not having insurance. Something that I have stated multiple times on this forum. What are you arguing about?

You don't speak for "the population". You speak for yourself. As is frequently the problem, you can't tell the difference between your personal opinions and actual FACTS.

Funny,... I presented facts.. and you just give insults.

First, it's always easy to tell when you are reciting words that you Googled from somewhere.

think about that for a minute. You just admitted that a simple google search PROVED YOU WRONG.

Their Medicare is not to be confused with our Medicare (the two are totally different).
Oh really? Gee.. I just pointed that out in my previous post...

And yet here you are telling ME.. what YOU don't know.

By the way.. its not lost on me that you couldn't make a rebuttal to all the other points in my prior post. :peace
 
Yawn... again.. you need to look up.. psychological projection.
.....says the fake, wannabe doctor who got caught lying about himself on an anonymous message board.


Oh.. and obviously you need to work on reading comprehension.. since you appear to have failed to comprehend my post:

Seeing you try to define "sick" in your incomprehensible layman's terms was a waste of 30 seconds of my life. as I said before, every word of it read like a manifesto from someone who has never laid hands on a patient before in his life. I'm sorry, but anonymous widget salemen turned lying, wannabe internet "doctors" don't get to demand much more respect than I've given you thus far, Jaeger.

Yep that's nice.

Has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with what I posted. Just a useless rant.

It has to do with the stupidity of people like you who argue that health insurance premiums are a waste of money. Get "sick" (as you call it, lol) one time, and you'll quickly change your tune. Now, if you want to take about the ineffficiency of the entire health insurance business, that would be a different story.

The point I made was that most people are not sick... they pay for insurance and for the most part.. they don't end up getting more out of the insurance than they paid into it. THATS WHY INSURANCE IS PROFITABLE.

There are about 3 separate STUPID statements in those two sentences. First, "sick" is a "nothing word" used by non-professionals and wannabes like you. Secondly, your definition of the word "sick" (or, at least your attempt to define it) was just ignornant, meaningless drivel that serves no purpose for further discussion. Lastly, insurance companie do NOT make most of their profits from the premiums they charge customers. They make most of thier money through investments. And again (like a broken record) I must say that if you had ANY background as a practicing medical professional (as you have claimed/lied) you would not keep making so many ignorant statements.

Funny,... I presented facts.. and you just give insults.

You have not presented any facts. None. Your problem is that you think your opinions are "facts". And I'm sorry if my truth-telling comes across as an "insult" to you, but where I come from, the truth is the truth. People like me just tell the truth, while people like you whine about it because you can't refute what I've said.

think about that for a minute. You just admitted that a simple google search PROVED YOU WRONG.

:roll: And you complain when I question your intelligence? You should re-read what I said. Canadian Medicare is what ALL of us (i.e. those of us American health professionals who actually are what we say we are) call Canada's medicare program. In Canada, of course, they don't say "Canadian Medicare". They just say "Medicare". What you said was WRONG. Canada absolutely DOES have Medicare, and it's NOT what you were describing. But that's what happens when people like you play FAKE "doctor" on the internet....you Google and post things that you don't even understand.....and then you whine and complain when someone like me corrects you.

Oh really? Gee.. I just pointed that out in my previous post...

LOL, no you didn't. You just think you did, because you don't understand what you Googled. :lamo So again, please stop whining about how "insulting" it is when I tell you the truth about yourself.

By the way.. its not lost on me that you couldn't make a rebuttal to all the other points in my prior post.

You made no other points. You just babbled. Frankly, I'm still laughing at the 200 words you used to try to define "sick". So stop your whining and just be happy that I'm still communicating with you.
 
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Seeing you try to define "sick" in your incomprehensible layman's terms was a waste of 30 seconds of my life. as I said before, every word of it read like a manifesto from someone who has never laid hands on a patient before in his life. I'm sorry, but anonymous widget salemen turned lying, wannabe internet "doctors" don't get to demand much more respect than I've given you thus far, Jaeger.
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Yawn... your posts are useless.
It has to do with the stupidity of people like you who argue that health insurance premiums are a waste of money

BWWWAAAAAHHHHH... you need to check your reading comprehension.. I believe that health insurance is necessary. In fact.. I believe that there SHOULD BE A MANDATE PEOPLE HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE.

So.. wrong again.. "ultimate MD".

My POINT.. which you still cannot refute is that many people DON"T purchase health insurance and they don't because they do not feel they need it.. they are not "sick"... And that is because the vast majority of people that have insurance.. don't use it much or at all.. (which is why insurance is profitable).

And because of that.. people aren't generally able to evaluate the quality of their insurance.

There are about 3 separate STUPID statements in those two sentences. First, "sick" is a "nothing word" used by non-professionals and wannabes like you.

Yeah.. sick is not a "nothing word".. you might want to check a dictionary.

Secondly, your definition of the word "sick" (or, at least your attempt to define it) was just ignornant, meaningless drivel that serves no purpose for further discussion
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Yawn.. just more of you meaninglessly spouting off.

Lastly, insurance companie do NOT make most of their profits from the premiums they charge customers

Yep.. so what? My point still stands that the insurance companies collect more in premiums than they pay out. If they did not.. they would not have money to invest.. now would they? :doh

Which means.. that again.. people ARE paying for insurance that they are not using.

You have not presented any facts. None

Well except the fact that basic Canadian government insurance doesn't cover pharmaceuticals outside the hospital. or outpatient physiotherapy, or most forms of home health.

Meanwhile.. American insurance plans.. particularly OUR actual Medicaid and Medicare do pay for those things.

Or the facts regarding percentages of people using prescription medication, etc..

Canadian Medicare is what ALL of us (i.e. those of us American health professionals who actually are what we say we are) call Canada's medicare program.

Right..you are now claiming your speak for all American health professionals...Please..

Second.. Canada does not have MEDICARE. It has its own government insurance. that is exactly as I described. If you doubt that it is.. then fine.. I posted what their insurance was:
Jaeger19 said:
they have a system of provincial and territorial public insurances that operate under federal guidelines but are administered by that province or territory.

Go ahead and provide a link that proves me wrong on that.
 
Yawn... your posts are useless.

No, they're just over your head, and this is how you respond when you cannot defend yourself substantively.


So.. wrong again.. "ultimate MD".

Thank you, yet again, for the compliment. I've never claimed to be the "ultimate MD", just a darned good one who knows a FAKE message board "doctor" when he sees one.

My POINT.. which you still cannot refute is that many people DON"T purchase health insurance and they don't because they do not feel they need it.. they are not "sick"... And that is because the vast majority of people that have insurance.. don't use it much or at all.. (which is why insurance is profitable).

Once again, your "point" is irrelevant to the discussion. You were just babbling. A quarter of the adults without health insurance are young adults (18-25) who often CHOOSE not to purchase it. But 75% of the adults in the country without health insurance are not young healthy people whose only concern is an occasional viral cold infection. These are primarily people who want health insurance, but cannot afford it. And btw, you continue to use layman's terms like "sick" (which means NOTHING to any real medical professional) because that's what you are........a layman who has absolutely no training.......no medical degrees......nothing. And you got caught lying about your credentials and qualifications.

Yeah.. sick is not a "nothing word".. you might want to check a dictionary.

lol...Yet another tell from the fake, wannabe message board "doctor". And you don't even know why, do you? "Sick" is a word that doctors use to "dumb-down" a conversation for people like you, who don't understand what we do or why we do it. Regardless, here's what most absurd about your "sick" definitions. Being "sick" has nothing to do with how a person feels. If you take anti-cholesterol medication, it's because you have a disease (i.e HTN, coronary artery disease, PVD, Hepatic disease, etc.). If you take anti-biotics....you have an infection, be it localized or systemic...and you are "sick". If you are prescribed a rescue inhaler, you have a disease (i.e. asthma) that can be life-threatening...that's the ONLY reason to prescribe a rescue inhaler on top of the standard maintenance inhaler. If you had any medical training, you'd understand the difference between medical signs and medical symptoms in the medical evaluation process. You don't have to be nauseous or febrile or in pain or physical distress (etc. etc) to be "sick" . You don't have to have "cancer" to be "sick". If you feel great, but have an elevated HDL......or have asthma..........or have an inflamed or infected cut on your hand, etc. etc.......you're "sick" by ANY medical definition. We REAL doctors treat conditions that are, or will be, detrimental to the health and well-being of our patients. And we do so without prejudice or bias. That's our calling, and it' something that a people who sell widgets for living often do not understand. So again, "sick" as you've attempted to define it, is just a "nothing" word; and your idea/definition of "sick" is just ridiculous. It reflects the views of someone who is not who/what he has pretended to be. And you should be embarrassed. But I know that you aren't.


Yep.. so what? My point still stands that the insurance companies collect more in premiums than they pay out. If they did not.. they would not have money to invest.. now would they? Which means.. that again.. people ARE paying for insurance that they are not using.

"So what", you ask? So....your point is completely irrelevant. Insurance companies are for-profit businesses. That's true...and irrelevant. Who (other than you) has questioned the business model of the health insurance industry? You keep making statements that are self-evidence....and which are tangential to the discussion.... and seem to believe that you just dropped the mic, or something. You're being silly. All you're doing is just deflecting from the issues I've raised because you cannot refute any of them.
 
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Well except the fact that basic Canadian government insurance doesn't cover pharmaceuticals outside the hospital. or outpatient physiotherapy, or most forms of home health. Meanwhile.. American insurance plans.. particularly OUR actual Medicaid and Medicare do pay for those things.

Well, first, this is misleading because:
1. You're deflecting again. You first claimed to speak for the views of Canadians. You stated as "fact" that Canadians "don't understand the difference between the American and Canadian systems". You said that was "just the facts". I noted that it (like all of your arguments in this thread) was a fact-free argument, to which you responded by changing the subject to prescription benefits. So in addition to the deflection, that was, at best, a brutal display of both ignorance and arrogance.

2. Canada's system was never intended to be a universal system, like the UK's. The law was written originally with specific intent to reduce the burden on private sector employers, not eliminate all burden. Out-Pt prescriptions in Canada are still handled mostly by employer-based benefits. And as a REAL doctor who has been a guest lecturer at McGill University, I can tell you that Canadians are more educated about the differences between their system and America's health care model....than most Americans.

3. Canada's prescription drug coverage is irrelevant to this discussion. The FACTS here are that Canada's health care system is superior in terms of results than the U.S.

4. I know you are trying your best to "sound" like a doctor, but I've got to correct you on something else. You keep using the term "physiotherapy" rather than "physical therapy". That's not what we say in the U.S. In the U.S. we use the term "physical therapy" almost exclusively. In Europe, they use "physiotherapy". No American trained medical doctor would make that mistake. So......Oops again, for you. LOL.

Or the facts regarding percentages of people using prescription medication, etc..

:roll: Uh....NO. Sorry, but I posted the FACTS about the percentage of people on prescription medication. You just followed my lead. And now you're attempting to take credit for it, which is typical of your behavior in these threads.

Right..you are now claiming your speak for all American health professionals...Please..

About Canadian Medicare? Absolutely. That is what it's called. Period. And that's not even a remotely controversial thing to say. If you were what you pretend to be, you'd know that.

Second.. Canada does not have MEDICARE.

WRONG. And your complete and total ignorance is on full display every time you say this. "Medicare" is EXACTLY what Canadians call it. Apparently, in addition to the FACT that you've never practiced medicine a day in your life (in ANY country).....you've also never even been north of the border, have you? It doesn't really matter if you believe it, or not. Your opinion doesn't really count.

It has its own government insurance. that is exactly as I described. If you doubt that it is.. then fine.. I posted what their insurance was: Go ahead and provide a link that proves me wrong on that.

Really? That's it? That's all? Sure. That won't be hard to do.

But when I do, will you PLEDGE to provide documentation for EVERY "fact" of yours, that I challenge on this board.......past and present? Answer in the affirmative, and I will HAPPILY post a link for you that proves that "Medicare" is the term used by Canadians for their own health care system. Deal?

Here's your chance to man-up and back up your "facts", Jaeger. Don't run and hide again. Accept my challenge and I'll accept yours.
 
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Well, first, this is misleading because:
1. You're deflecting again. You first claimed to speak for the views of Canadians. You stated as "fact" that Canadians "don't understand the difference between the American and Canadian systems". You said that was "just the facts". I noted that it (like all of your arguments in this thread) was a fact-free argument, to which you responded by changing the subject to prescription benefits. So in addition to the deflection, that was, at best, a brutal display of both ignorance and arrogance.
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yawn... nope. In fact its very evident on this very forum that Canadians don't know the differences between American and Canadian systems. You however made the erroneous claim that they were no substantial differences between Canadian government insurance and American Medicare. Which the facts show.. you were wrong.

Canada's system was never intended to be a universal system

Hmmm.. interesting.. so there is no universal healthcare in Canada? Better check your facts there "doctor"... :doh

Canada's prescription drug coverage is irrelevant to this discussion

You mean when you claimed that Canadian government insurance which does not cover outpatient drugs.. is not substantially different than American Medicare that does?

Anyway of course it matters to the discussion. You can't be stating how the Canadian system is better.. when going to that system.. would make things WORSE for most americans.. particularly if they have VA, Medicaid or Medicare.

The FACTS here are that Canada's health care system is superior in terms of results than the U.S.
Yeah.. not true.. The US beats Canada on a number of healthcare measures. Like effectiveness of care, timeliness of care, safe care, patient oriented care . and only is beaten by Canada on a few measures like access to cost related problems and equity of care.

In 11 first world countries ranking of healthcare measures:
Effective Care: US 3.. Canada 7
Safe Care US 7 Canada 10
Timeliness of care US 5. Canada 10
Patient centered Care US 5 Canada 10.

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Better check your facts there "doctor".

I know you are trying your best to "sound" like a doctor, but I've got to correct you on something else. You keep using the term "physiotherapy" rather than "physical therapy". That's not what we say in the U.S. In the U.S. we use the term "physical therapy" almost exclusively. In Europe, they use "physiotherapy". No American trained medical doctor would make that mistake. So......Oops again, for you. LOL

that's funny. We use physical therapy in the US.. and physiotherapy is used in CANADA. No mistakes on my part. You sir are floundering around looking for anything to try and extricated yourself from the flub ups you are making.

Uh....NO. Sorry, but I posted the FACTS about the percentage of people on prescription medication. You just followed my lead.

Actually I pointed out that your numbers were not that accurate.

WRONG. And your complete and total ignorance is on full display every time you say this. "Medicare" is EXACTLY what Canadians call it.

That's not an official designation. And their government insurance is not set up anything like US medicare.

Really? That's it? That's all? Sure. That won't be hard to do.

Great.. then do it.

the fact that you need to put conditions on providing this information.. pretty much shows that you know that I am right and you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Here is YOUR chance. Put up or shut up. no diversions.. no insults.. just simply

Jaeger19 said:
It has its own government insurance. that is exactly as I described. If you doubt that it is.. then fine.. I posted what their insurance was: Go ahead and provide a link that proves me wrong on that
 
yawn... nope. In fact its very evident on this very forum that Canadians don't know the differences between American and Canadian systems
Stupid comment...as I said previously..just a breath-taking combination of ignorance and arrogance. Again, you don't understand the difference between a fact and your personal opinion. To be clear, when you stated as "fact" that you were "speaking for the population" of Canada...you were LYING. Simply as that. You do a lot of that in order to avoid documenting your arguments with objective, verifiable FACTS.

You however made the erroneous claim that they were no substantial differences between Canadian government insurance and American Medicare. Which the facts show.. you were wrong.
First, I made no such claim. Secondly, the FACT is that you claimed that Canada does not have a Medicare program. Well, Canadian Medicare exists whether someone like you is willing to admit it, or not. And when you claimed otherwise, you were either lying, or showing your ignorance. Anything else you have to say about this is just more deflection. Clearly, you recognize this and are trying to avoid accountability.

Hmmm.. interesting.. so there is no universal healthcare in Canada? Better check your facts there "doctor"... :doh
:roll: Such a silly person.

You mean when you claimed that Canadian government insurance which does not cover outpatient drugs.. is not substantially different than American Medicare that does?
Again, your lies have become so bold that it's difficult to describe you in any other way. In this case, for example, my EXACT WORDS on this subject were: "Canadians don't say "Canadian Medicare", because they just call it "Medicare". Their Medicare is not to be confused with our Medicare (the two are totally different)."...so please understand why I say to you that it's hard to refer to you as anything other than a liar.

Anyway of course it matters to the discussion. You can't be stating how the Canadian system is better.. when going to that system.. would make things WORSE for most americans.. particularly if they have VA, Medicaid or Medicare.
:lamo Geez,man..."You can't be stating..."?? Really? Of course I can "be stating" whatever I want to "be stating". More importantly, the FACT is that EVERY objective measurement of health care systems around the world indicates that Canada's health care system ranks above the US system. That is not arguable. And your OPINION that it would be "worse for most Americans" means nothing to me. I don't care what you think. I only care about what you can prove. And we both know you that if you could back up your arguments with objective FACTS and data...you'd have done so by now.

Yeah.. not true.. The US beats Canada on a number of healthcare measures. Like effectiveness of care, timeliness of care, safe care, patient oriented care . and only is beaten by Canada on a few measures like access to cost related problems and equity of care.

In 11 first world countries ranking of healthcare measures:
Effective Care: US 3.. Canada 7
Safe Care US 7 Canada 10
Timeliness of care US 5. Canada 10
Patient centered Care US 5 Canada 10.

:roll: Your arguments are so disingenuous it's hard to be nice to you. First, the FACT is that Canada's health care system ranks higher than the U.S. system overall, including the most important measureables. You know that, because even you must've read your own table (from the Commonwealth Fund). Secondly, the FACT is that all three of the standard rankings (including the WHO, the gold standard) rank the US below Canada (and many other nations) in overall quality of our health care system. Among the 190+ nations in the WHO, for example, the U.S. consistently ranks in the mid-upper 30's in the overall quality of our health care system...BEHIND countries like Slovenia, Costa Rica, Dominica and Morocco. So when a fake, wannabe "doctor" like you tries to present subset rankings (like those for "timeliness" and "patient centered care") as rebuttals to the OVERALL rankings....you only reveal yourselves to be either dishonest charlatans, or just plain ignorant. In your case, it's clearly the former.
 
that's funny. We use physical therapy in the US.. and physiotherapy is used in CANADA. No mistakes on my part. You sir are floundering around looking for anything to try and extricated yourself from the flub ups you are making.
There is no "we", when it comes to the opinions of academic medical researchers and physicians, here. And every time you respond to being corrected by pretending to correct me....you make yourself the fool. Remember, you are and I are not equals. You are the guy who LIED about his credentials on this board, in hopes that your fact-free OPINIONS might be accepted without being challenged. I'm the real doctor who happened to come along and blow your charade up in your face. lol...Sorry, but you force me to continue repeating that to you.

Great.. then do it.
the fact that you need to put conditions on providing this information.. pretty much shows that you know that I am right and you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
:lamoSTOP DUCKING ME. You're running from a challenge again. Answer the question in the affirmative, and I'll do just that. Do you pledge to back up, with links and VERIFIABLE data....EVERY argument and assertion of "fact" that you have made in this thread? Yes, or no? You don't get to pose a challenge to me, until you accept the challenge I've already presented to you. Don't be such a coward. Answer. Yes, or no? If yes, I'll post information and/or answer ANY question that you may wish to ask of me about this thread. Deal?

Here is YOUR chance. Put up or shut up. no diversions.. no insults.. just simply
Again, like one of my teenagers, you're tactic of projection........your reflexive penchant for avoiding the TRUTH I post about you, by simply accusing me of that which I've proven about you.......is childish and transparent. For most educated people, "I know you are, but what am I"......ceases to be an effective rebuttal after the 5th or 6th grade, jaeger. So what's your excuse? You are educated, aren't you?
 
There is no "we", when it comes to the opinions of academic medical researchers and physicians, here. And every time you respond to being corrected by pretending to correct me....you make yourself the fool. Remember, you are and I are not equals. You are the guy who LIED about his credentials on this board, in hopes that your fact-free OPINIONS might be accepted without being challenged. I'm the real doctor who happened to come along and blow your charade up in your face. lol...Sorry, but you force me to continue repeating that to you.
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Whatever dude. You have repeated proved that you are not a physician and don't understand even basic research principles.

STOP DUCKING ME. You're running from a challenge again. Answer the question in the affirmative, and I'll do just that. Do you pledge to back up, with links and VERIFIABLE data....EVERY argument and assertion of "fact" that you have made in this thread? Yes, or no? You don't get to pose a challenge to me, until you accept the challenge I've already presented to you. Don't be such a coward. Answer. Yes, or no? If yes, I'll post information and/or answer ANY question that you may wish to ask of me about this thread. Deal?

the only person doing the ducking is you. All you offer is insults and incorrect information.


Again, like one of my teenagers, you're tactic of projection........your reflexive penchant for avoiding the TRUTH I post about you, by simply accusing me of that which I've proven about you.......is childish and transparent. For most educated people, "I know you are, but what am I"......ceases to be an effective rebuttal after the 5th or 6th grade, jaeger. So what's your excuse? You are educated, aren't you?
Look man.. (if you are actually an adult. Which is highly dubious at this point). We have all of your posts... the evidence here is clear that you really have no clue what you are talking about and are just here to troll and throw insults. Have a good day. :peace
 
1. Whatever dude. You have repeated proved that you are not a physician and don't understand even basic research principles.

2. the only person doing the ducking is you. All you offer is insults and incorrect information.

3. Look man.. (if you are actually an adult. Which is highly dubious at this point). We have all of your posts... the evidence here is clear that you really have no clue what you are talking about and are just here to troll and throw insults. Have a good day. :peace

:lamo...more avoidance.......more deflection......and more childish personal attacks.......from the FAKE, WANNABE "doctor" who got caught LYING about his "credibility".

1. LOL, who cares what you think? You're a freaking widget salesman, remember? You peddle health/medical products for a living, remember? That's a fine, honest living (I suppose), but it's not my fault you didn't make it to medical school. So now, why do you think someone like me cares if someone like you believes the diplomas on my wall are real? Go sell some more widgets, please.:lamo

2. Hey, you're not fooling anyone anymore. Of course you are ducking me. That's been painfully obvious (unfortunately for you) for a long time now. You're STILL ducking me. For the (what 7th or 8th?) time...the "I know you are, but what am I" defense is just NOT a winning strategy for you. So, my highly insecure anonymous friend, you CANNOT respond to my DIRECT challenge with cowardly diversions like the above. I challenged you (2 or 3 posts back) to agree to post links and VERIFIABLE facts/data to back up EVERY "fact" or argument you've made in this thread..........in return for my pledge to do the same for ANYTHING about this thread that you may wish to ask of me. Why are so so afraid to accept such a FAIR challenge? Obviously, it's because you and I...(and everyone else who previously asked you to post links/facts in this thread,only to see you run like a schoolgirl....while deflecting with personal attacks on them,lol)...both know that you are about as much a "doctor" as you are the "experienced, peer-reviewed, published" academic scientist you pretended to be in another thread several months ago. Face it, Jaeger.........you are a fraud........just another anonymous internet "expert".......who got caught. And THAT is why NO ONE in this thread (and in other threads) takes your fact-free, link-free arguments with anything more than a proverbial grain-of-salt.
:lamo

3. "We", huh? For some reason, when insecure people get caught lying, they often pretend they have a chorus of supporters behind them. You don't often see this in educated, self-confident adults, though. Now, Jaeger....take a look back at the pages of this thread, and tell me who this "we" might be. When you do, you'll see that, from the very beginning, virtually EVERYONE was calling you out for your repeated, unsubstantiated, fact-free arguments....and your complete inability/refusal to post legitimate links to back them up. As others noted, "it's not like you have a record for the truth".

Lastly, let's just note, for the record, that your entire remarks (above) included ZERO substantive rebuttals to the FACTS presented and questions offered in my previous remarks.
  • You have NOTHING to say in rebuttal to the to DIRECT quotes (from you) about Canadian Medicare, which completely contradict each other.
  • You have NOTHING to say in rebuttal to my pointing out that you were LYING when you said that it was I who stated that Canadian Medicare was the same as U.S. Medicare (when in reality, I said the exact opposite....and you COPIED my remarks and apparently forgot your own lie, lol).
  • And you have NOTHING to say in rebuttal to my pointing out the STUPIDITY of your argument that U.S. healthcare ranking relatively highly in a few individual categories obviates our overall ranking in comparison to every other majority industrialized country.

All you have to offer, in response, is more deflection, lies and childish personal attacks.

So again, at a certain point, it become difficult to do anything other than call people who lie, incessantly, what they are.
 
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:lamo...more avoidance.......more deflection......and more childish personal attacks.......from the FAKE, WANNABE "doctor" who got caught LYING about his "credibility".

1. LOL, who cares what you think? You're a freaking widget salesman, remember? You peddle health/medical products for a living, remember? That's a fine, honest living (I suppose), but it's not my fault you didn't make it to medical school. So now, why do you think someone like me cares if someone like you believes the diplomas on my wall are real? Go sell some more widgets, please.:lamo

2. Hey, you're not fooling anyone anymore. Of course you are ducking me. That's been painfully obvious (unfortunately for you) for a long time now. You're STILL ducking me. For the (what 7th or 8th?) time...the "I know you are, but what am I" defense is just NOT a winning strategy for you. So, my highly insecure anonymous friend, you CANNOT respond to my DIRECT challenge with cowardly diversions like the above. I challenged you (2 or 3 posts back) to agree to post links and VERIFIABLE facts/data to back up EVERY "fact" or argument you've made in this thread..........in return for my pledge to do the same for ANYTHING about this thread that you may wish to ask of me. Why are so so afraid to accept such a FAIR challenge? Obviously, it's because you and I...(and everyone else who previously asked you to post links/facts in this thread,only to see you run like a schoolgirl....while deflecting with personal attacks on them,lol)...both know that you are about as much a "doctor" as you are the "experienced, peer-reviewed, published" academic scientist you pretended to be in another thread several months ago. Face it, Jaeger.........you are a fraud........just another anonymous internet "expert".......who got caught. And THAT is why NO ONE in this thread (and in other threads) takes your fact-free, link-free arguments with anything more than a proverbial grain-of-salt.
:lamo

3. "We", huh? For some reason, when insecure people get caught lying, they often pretend they have a chorus of supporters behind them. You don't often see this in educated, self-confident adults, though. Now, Jaeger....take a look back at the pages of this thread, and tell me who this "we" might be. When you do, you'll see that, from the very beginning, virtually EVERYONE was calling you out for your repeated, unsubstantiated, fact-free arguments....and your complete inability/refusal to post legitimate links to back them up. As others noted, "it's not like you have a record for the truth".

Lastly, let's just note, for the record, that your entire remarks (above) included ZERO substantive rebuttals to the FACTS presented and questions offered in my previous remarks.
  • You have NOTHING to say in rebuttal to the to DIRECT quotes (from you) about Canadian Medicare, which completely contradict each other.
  • You have NOTHING to say in rebuttal to my pointing out that you were LYING when you said that it was I who stated that Canadian Medicare was the same as U.S. Medicare (when in reality, I said the exact opposite....and you COPIED my remarks and apparently forgot your own lie, lol).
  • And you have NOTHING to say in rebuttal to my pointing out the STUPIDITY of your argument that U.S. healthcare ranking relatively highly in a few individual categories obviates our overall ranking in comparison to every other majority industrialized country.

All you have to offer, in response, is more deflection, lies and childish personal attacks.

So again, at a certain point, it become difficult to do anything other than call people who lie, incessantly, what they are.

Yawn.. I stopped reading after the first sentence. My posts prove my point.. your posts.. well lets just say that they prove my points as well. :peace
 
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