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The Pill and Poverty, the Right Wing Dream is our Nightmare

calamity

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Right Wing efforts to curb access to the pill while also doing all they can to limit wage protections and workplace safety and health regulations is a nightmare we've lived through before. Like many others, my maternal grandfather got sick from working in a coal mine, dying at 45 and leaving behind five children without any safety net. In short, he worked himself to death simply to earn a subsistence living, barely providing food and shelter for his family, with no chance at accumulating savings or buying life insurance.

Common back then, regardless of which country you lived in, was having more kids than you can feed and working in a low wage job which barely kept your family fed. Working conditions were brutal, safety regulations minimal and health concerns for the employees nonexistent.

Additionally, women working was nearly impossible. With five or six kids to care for, with probably another one already on the way, getting a job is not exactly in the cards. So, it is no surprise to see stats like these once birth control became more accessible.

Decades of research on the US gender gap in wages describes its correlates, but little is known about why women changed their career paths in the 1960s and 1970s. This paper explores the role of “the Pill” in altering women’s human capital investments and its ultimate implications for life-cycle wages. Using state-by-birth-cohort variation in legal access, we show that younger access to the Pill conferred an 8 percent hourly wage premium by age 50. Our estimates imply that the Pill can account for 10 percent of the convergence of the gender gap in the 1980s and 30 percent in the 1990s.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3684076/
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So, one has to ask. What exactly is the Right up to? Why do they want to take us back to a time when life was a living hell?
 
calamity said:
Right Wing efforts to curb access to the pill while also doing all they can to limit wage protections and workplace safety and health regulations is a nightmare we've lived through before. Like many others, my maternal grandfather got sick from working in a coal mine, dying at 45 and leaving behind five children without any safety net. In short, he worked himself to death simply to earn a subsistence living, barely providing food and shelter for his family, with no chance at accumulating savings or buying life insurance.

Common back then, regardless of which country you lived in, was having more kids than you can feed and working in a low wage job which barely kept your family fed. Working conditions were brutal, safety regulations minimal and health concerns for the employees nonexistent.

Additionally, women working was nearly impossible. With five or six kids to care for, with probably another one already on the way, getting a job is not exactly in the cards. So, it is no surprise to see stats like these once birth control became more accessible.



So, one has to ask. What exactly is the Right up to? Why do they want to take us back to a time when life was a living hell?
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To make America great again, duh... ;)
 
calamity said:
Right Wing efforts to curb access to the pill while also doing all they can to limit wage protections and workplace safety and health regulations is a nightmare we've lived through before. Like many others, my maternal grandfather got sick from working in a coal mine, dying at 45 and leaving behind five children without any safety net. In short, he worked himself to death simply to earn a subsistence living, barely providing food and shelter for his family, with no chance at accumulating savings or buying life insurance.

Common back then, regardless of which country you lived in, was having more kids than you can feed and working in a low wage job which barely kept your family fed. Working conditions were brutal, safety regulations minimal and health concerns for the employees nonexistent.

Additionally, women working was nearly impossible. With five or six kids to care for, with probably another one already on the way, getting a job is not exactly in the cards. So, it is no surprise to see stats like these once birth control became more accessible.



So, one has to ask. What exactly is the Right up to? Why do they want to take us back to a time when life was a living hell?
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The only thing I can come up with is religion

When life is tough, and difficult, more people turn to religion. Religious attendance, as I understand it has been declining in the US over the last 40 years (yes there are spikes in attendance here and there).

So with a more difficult life, more people in church, less godless liberals, fewer ivory tower elitists, fewer divorces initiated by women
 
calamity said:
Right Wing efforts to curb access to the pill while also doing all they can to limit wage protections and workplace safety and health regulations is a nightmare we've lived through before. Like many others, my maternal grandfather got sick from working in a coal mine, dying at 45 and leaving behind five children without any safety net. In short, he worked himself to death simply to earn a subsistence living, barely providing food and shelter for his family, with no chance at accumulating savings or buying life insurance.

Common back then, regardless of which country you lived in, was having more kids than you can feed and working in a low wage job which barely kept your family fed. Working conditions were brutal, safety regulations minimal and health concerns for the employees nonexistent.

Additionally, women working was nearly impossible. With five or six kids to care for, with probably another one already on the way, getting a job is not exactly in the cards. So, it is no surprise to see stats like these once birth control became more accessible.

So, one has to ask. What exactly is the Right up to? Why do they want to take us back to a time when life was a living hell?
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If a woman can't afford to buy her own contraceptives? She certainly can't afford to have children. It is not the government's job to supply free birth control. Nor should employers be forced to include that benefit to their employees.

#1 . . . It's called personal responsibility.
#2 . . . If the right INSISTED on it, the Left would accuse them of eugenics and racism.
 
calamity said:
Right Wing efforts to curb access to the pill while also doing all they can to limit wage protections and workplace safety and health regulations is a nightmare we've lived through before. Like many others, my maternal grandfather got sick from working in a coal mine, dying at 45 and leaving behind five children without any safety net. In short, he worked himself to death simply to earn a subsistence living, barely providing food and shelter for his family, with no chance at accumulating savings or buying life insurance.

Common back then, regardless of which country you lived in, was having more kids than you can feed and working in a low wage job which barely kept your family fed. Working conditions were brutal, safety regulations minimal and health concerns for the employees nonexistent.

Additionally, women working was nearly impossible. With five or six kids to care for, with probably another one already on the way, getting a job is not exactly in the cards. So, it is no surprise to see stats like these once birth control became more accessible.



So, one has to ask. What exactly is the Right up to? Why do they want to take us back to a time when life was a living hell?
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Oh, for the good old days, when a woman had to bear six or eight children so that maybe one or two would survive to adulthood and have the wherewithall to take care of her in her old age, which would begin about age 50 or so.

It's still that way in a lot of the third world.

Make America third world again. Let's start by defunding Planned Parenthood.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Oh, for the good old days, when a woman had to bear six or eight children so that maybe one or two would survive to adulthood and have the wherewithall to take care of her in her old age, which would begin about age 50 or so.

It's still that way in a lot of the third world.

Make America third world again. Let's start by defunding Planned Parenthood.
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Lord Tammerlain said:
The only thing I can come up with is religion

When life is tough, and difficult, more people turn to religion. Religious attendance, as I understand it has been declining in the US over the last 40 years (yes there are spikes in attendance here and there).

So with a more difficult life, more people in church, less godless liberals, fewer ivory tower elitists, fewer divorces initiated by women
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I would not doubt that those are indeed driving factors.

God stuff:

1. Women controlling when to become pregnant -- bad
2. Women choosing to have sex without risk of becoming pregnant -- bad
3. Women free to have sex and not become pregnant while competing with men professionally -- very bad.
 
MaggieD said:
If a woman can't afford to buy her own contraceptives? She certainly can't afford to have children. It is not the government's job to supply free birth control. Nor should employers be forced to include that benefit to their employees.

#1 . . . It's called personal responsibility.
#2 . . . If the right INSISTED on it, the Left would accuse them of eugenics and racism.
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Do you even realize your own inconsistency in the bolded portion of post above?

If they can't afford birth control, they certainly cannot afford to have children. So, of course, we should do all we can to curb pregnancy among women who cannot even afford birth control.
 
calamity said:
Do you even realize your own inconsistency in the bolded portion of post above?

If they can't afford birth control, they certainly cannot afford to have children. So, of course, we should do all we can to curb pregnancy among women who cannot even afford birth control.
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You can't fix stupid, Calamity.
 
calamity said:
Right Wing efforts to curb access to the pill
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Before any further reading or discussion is possible you would first have to demonstrate that this charge is accurate.
 
MaggieD said:
If a woman can't afford to buy her own contraceptives? She certainly can't afford to have children. It is not the government's job to supply free birth control. Nor should employers be forced to include that benefit to their employees.

#1 . . . It's called personal responsibility.
#2 . . . If the right INSISTED on it, the Left would accuse them of eugenics and racism.
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If a woman/family can't afford to have a baby, it makes FAR more sense to give her birth control for free, than to prevent her (or make it harder for her) from having birth control due to cost.

How can you NOT see that???
 
Dragonfly said:
If a woman/family can't afford to have a baby, it makes FAR more sense to give her birth control for free, than to prevent her (or make it harder for her) from having birth control due to cost.

How can you NOT see that???
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Cognitive dissonance?
 
MaggieD said:
You can't fix stupid, Calamity.
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Yeah. I need to get that new job I am after so that I'll be too busy to keep trying to do that here.
 
calamity said:
Cognitive dissonance?
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Yes, that and ideology.

Birth control used to be so controversial that condoms were sold with the disclaimer, "for the prevention of disease only." I"m not sure how many here are old enough to remember that, but I am. Birth control is still controversial to a degree, still opposed by adamant ideologues.
 
MaggieD said:
I didnt insult you. Why did you insult me?
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I didn't insult you specifically. I was speaking in broader terms.

Seriously.
 
MaggieD said:
:2wave:
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I really do need to land one of these more challenging jobs I am pursuing. I spend way too much time here beating my head against a wall. :) A new "hobby" would do me some good.
 
calamity said:
I really do need to land one of these more challenging jobs I am pursuing. I spend way too much time here beating my head against a wall. :) A new "hobby" would do me some good.
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Are you employed now? Otherwise, I suggest you consider your full-time job with overtime to be "looking for the job you want." ;)

Good luck!
 
"Access" is good codespeak for "the remainder of this comment will be socialist swill," and this opening post is no exception.

You want medicine, buy medicine. :shrug:
 
MaggieD said:
Are you employed now? Otherwise, I suggest you consider your full-time job with overtime to be "looking for the job you want." ;)

Good luck!
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Yes. I'm still employed. I took a vacation in order to go to a couple interviews. I have five scheduled for next week. One is a second interview.

Thanks.
 
JayDubya said:
"Access" is good codespeak for "the remainder of this comment will be socialist swill," and this opening post is no exception.

You want medicine, buy medicine. :shrug:
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Or we can just have the government provide it. I like that better
 
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