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Does Complexity of Health Insurance cause more problems?

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Let's be honest...do you understand your health insurance? Compared to your auto insurance maybe? Or home? I know this has been a big deal for me recently as I don't fully understand why my insurance is not covering a certain bill (which results in me having to call them) and then to find out they do or don't for this reason or that. I know I am being vague, but essentially I am wondering if people feel that they would have a better idea or handle on health insurance if it were less complicated? The system and purchasing and coverages.




The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).
 
Let's be honest...do you understand your health insurance? Compared to your auto insurance maybe? Or home? I know this has been a big deal for me recently as I don't fully understand why my insurance is not covering a certain bill (which results in me having to call them) and then to find out they do or don't for this reason or that. I know I am being vague, but essentially I am wondering if people feel that they would have a better idea or handle on health insurance if it were less complicated? The system and purchasing and coverages.

Having worked in the auto body business for a while, I'm going to guess that you know about the same about your auto insurance as you do about your health insurance. You buy it (auto), put it in a file and, if you are a good driver and lucky, you may never need it. If you are a human being, you will need your health insurance. There are a number of parallels in both businesses, all favoring the insurance companies and share-holders. No one has a clue as to what is being paid and what is being done. When your auto is damaged there are only so many ways to get a "second opinion." Money is too prevalent in our politics......little guy is going to take it in the shorts!
 
Let's be honest...do you understand your health insurance? Compared to your auto insurance maybe? Or home? I know this has been a big deal for me recently as I don't fully understand why my insurance is not covering a certain bill (which results in me having to call them) and then to find out they do or don't for this reason or that. I know I am being vague, but essentially I am wondering if people feel that they would have a better idea or handle on health insurance if it were less complicated? The system and purchasing and coverages.

What would good is if people had a advocate that could explain the ins and outs of insurance and could resolve these issues.

Knowing your insurance is a key to getting good healthcare, no matter what the system, government, private.. multipayer or single payer.

Both on the insurance end and on the provider end.
 
Having worked in the auto body business for a while, I'm going to guess that you know about the same about your auto insurance as you do about your health insurance. You buy it (auto), put it in a file and, if you are a good driver and lucky, you may never need it. If you are a human being, you will need your health insurance. There are a number of parallels in both businesses, all favoring the insurance companies and share-holders. No one has a clue as to what is being paid and what is being done. When your auto is damaged there are only so many ways to get a "second opinion." Money is too prevalent in our politics......little guy is going to take it in the shorts!

I actually work in the insurance industry on the property side. I do understand my auto insurance. But it is considerably less complex. Deductibles and so on. The real issue is state to state laws (like mini tort in Michigan which is a complete cluster ****). But generally speaking it is pretty simple to understand your coverage. I personally hate insurance companies as much as government. They are both equally ****ty options.




The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).
 
What would good is if people had a advocate that could explain the ins and outs of insurance and could resolve these issues.

Knowing your insurance is a key to getting good healthcare, no matter what the system, government, private.. multipayer or single payer.

Both on the insurance end and on the provider end.

Like an attorney? Or counseling for insurance? To me...that is the problem. If a laymen can't understand what the hell they are buying...why do they have to buy it? I know that is simplistic, but ultimately I think that is a driving force behind single payer. People like me who don't make a lot of money (in my case because I'm working on getting someone through school so that we can have a life...sacrifice now to live better later) end up having high deductibles and so on...but I have no friggin clue which neurologist is covered and in my network or if my GP is covered. And what the hell is my year max out of pocket and my max deductible and all this ****.

It is all jargon. And the website to explain? Doesn't explain it well. Not well written. So I'm stuck contemplating what to pay, how to pay, and when to pay. And if they are going to pay (may be owed is a common phrase). And if you are like most adults you have a job that means you don't have a lot of time to call and figure it out between their small window of time. Basically? It makes me want to cut off my nose to spite my face by voting single payer. Why? So I don't have to deal with the dizzying amount of bull****.

I won't. I know better. But I understand the feeling. Health insurance is a cluster **** just like all other insurance. It makes money by not paying out.




The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).
 
Trump threatening to not pay the Obamacare insurance subsidies next week is causing [intended] problems.
 
Like an attorney?.

Well the problem is that a layman cannot understand the ins and outs of healthcare and insurance. And a single payer system does not make it easier really.

And because of the complexity of insurance and especially medical knowledge.. you can't expect the average person to understand it. Heck.. its surprising in my business (which is healthcare) how much of our practice is dictated by insurance but medical professionals don't even realize it.

Perfect example:

I started in medicine when you could send a medicare patient with a stroke to a rehab and they could get 100 days of rehab.. they would get 3 disciplines of therapy for 3-6 hours a day.

Pretty much.. no questions asked. So what happened.. well we found that patients with cva would sometimes not get better or much better until several weeks of therapy, but at the end of intense therapy, they would be walking independently etc.

BUT also what happened is that routinely facilities would treat patients that were not appropriate, that were not getting better but would simply overutilize that 100 days...

So.. in an effort to cut costs, medicare over the decades has instituted a number of restrictions or qualifications etc on sending CVA patients to rehab and the rehab they get. Now.. under MEDICARE LAW.. a patient with CVA can still be qualified for 100 days of therapy 3-6 hours a day/... but its rarely done now because of the hoops that have been put in place.

For example, the magical day in rehab was 20 days (when medicare stops paying 100%) .. and after that.. if you were in an acute care rehab.. you were discharged. Why? Because of reimbursement... but what happened? Docs stopped seeing patients get better after 20 days.. because patients left their system.. They stopped seeing that patient get better at 40 days..
Its gotten worse under Obamacare because now.. they are incentives to where the hospital gets paid better if they don't go to rehab at all. Or if they severely curtail rehab.

So now.. I have had a couple of young docs tell me a month ago... "well if a patient with stroke doesn;t get recover in 2 weeks they are never going to get it back".... AHHHHHH nothing could be farther from the truth. In facts there are numerous studies that show that CVA patients can get recover years later.

But what these docs know.. is what they SEE.. now. And its becoming a self fulfilling prophecy..

this happens a LOT in the interaction of medicine and insurance. And before someone yelps.. "single payer is better".. no.. single payer often exacerbates these problems because there is no counter insurance that does it differently that has a better outcome.

A good example... my own grandfather. My mom called to tell me that my grandfather was going to be kicked off medicare (he was in a skilled facility after a surgery at 94). Basically because they were going to stop PT (which was its own issue.. the therapist was simply lazy).
But what this meant for him was that he was not going to get the same caregivers, not going to get the other nursing services that he was getting.

So I made a call to the facility (against my family's wishes because they worried that "you would make them treat him worse".. (I mean how awful that people really think that speaking out for whats right will mean retaliation on their family)...

When I called.. I got the standard answer about medicare and how medicare paid and what it didn;t pay for and my grandfather simply didn;t qualify. (from the business office)... and I said.. "okay. tell me his RUG score"... (RUG stands for resource utilization group)

Complete silence. I said again "can you tell me his RUG score"... then the lady said "well we don't have that here we will have to get back to you". (which I know is complete bull.. that information is at the click of a button) I said "well okay but I am surprised you are taking him off medicare because he is getting diabetic teaching.. has a surgical wound you are doing daily bandage changes on, has restorative nursing program 4 days a week, and is having is intake and outputs assessed daily with medication changes.. I would expect that he would score well above the line (the line for qualifying for medicare payment) and you would be giving up say 750 a day.. for 155 a day for private pay".

The lady: "umm let me get back to you."

I said: Sure, have the administrator of the building call me when you get the information for me"..

Honest to god.. it was not 15 minutes LATER.. when my MOTHER called me and said " guess what the SNF called and your grandpa is covered for another 80 days under medicare"..

(they never did call me back by the way).

Now realize.. that was medicare which would be the same in a single payer situation. So what we really need is some advocacy that could do exactly what I did to the facility.
 
Let's be honest...do you understand your health insurance? Compared to your auto insurance maybe? Or home? I know this has been a big deal for me recently as I don't fully understand why my insurance is not covering a certain bill (which results in me having to call them) and then to find out they do or don't for this reason or that. I know I am being vague, but essentially I am wondering if people feel that they would have a better idea or handle on health insurance if it were less complicated? The system and purchasing and coverages.

I read somewhere that the average American has he reading comprehension of a 12-year-old. Their policies are written. For Harvard lawyers. It "used to be" we had an agent who very caredully explained policy basics to us in person. Didn't understand something? You had the opportunity to easily say, "Huh?"

Obamacare has changed all that. Even I found the Exchange confusing. And I'm smarter than the average bear.

Many people probably just look at the deductible when making choices and don't read the fine print.

An entire service industry was descimated with Obamacare. Insurance agents. I'd bet some people choose by way of a dartboard.

The fine print will never be simplified. That's just fact. Just keep calling...
 
Let's be honest...do you understand your health insurance? Compared to your auto insurance maybe? Or home? I know this has been a big deal for me recently as I don't fully understand why my insurance is not covering a certain bill (which results in me having to call them) and then to find out they do or don't for this reason or that. I know I am being vague, but essentially I am wondering if people feel that they would have a better idea or handle on health insurance if it were less complicated? The system and purchasing and coverages.

This was the rationale behind simplifying insurance in the first place. Now insurance has a standardized set of essential benefits, is grouped into metal tiers of equivalent actuarial value, and insurers are required to provide a simplified uniform Summary of Benefits and Coverage.

In the old market, insurance was designed to be opaque and non-comparable with the intent of stymying competition and bamboozling consumers. This is the argument against the notion that insurance should be infinitely customizable and that product standardization (allowing consumers to choose among competing products along a defined and discrete set of meaningful differences between plans) is an unacceptable "one size fits all."
 
I read somewhere that the average American has he reading comprehension of a 12-year-old. Their policies are written. For Harvard lawyers. It "used to be" we had an agent who very caredully explained policy basics to us in person. Didn't understand something? You had the opportunity to easily say, "Huh?"

Obamacare has changed all that. Even I found the Exchange confusing. And I'm smarter than the average bear.

Many people probably just look at the deductible when making choices and don't read the fine print.

An entire service industry was descimated with Obamacare. Insurance agents. I'd bet some people choose by way of a dartboard.

The fine print will never be simplified. That's just fact. Just keep calling...

Actually obamacare simplified benefits by mandating essential benefits, grouping into levels of similar value.. and requiring a uniform summary of benefits.

Ooops.. I see that Greenbeard already answered this.

I certainly am not a giant fan of Obamacare.. there are serious flaws with it.. but a lot of flack that obamacare gets is because suddenly people started waking up to what their insurance really covered and what it cost and they didn;t like the answers...and blamed in on Obamacare.. but in reality.. it was like that well before obamacare.. just people were blissfully ignorant of it ( face it.. the vast majority of people don't use their private health insurance.. its why insurance is a profitable business). Obamacare did drag a lot of unpleasantness out into the light.

There are reasons that after 7 years of lambasting Obamacare.. republicans with control of congress and the presidency cannot repeal it.. and one of those reasons is because smarter heads know that we don't want to go to back to how things were pre obamacare.
 
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