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Mac77 said:
Many people - some by design - live from day to day and have no estate for the government to seize
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That is true yet many do have assets and are unaware that their estate is being (legally) depleted by accepting "free" Medicaid assistance. This is especially true for those that "must" take (expanded) Medicaid as their insurance carrier because they make too little income to get a PPACA exchange subsidized policy in their state. Having a low income now does not mean that they had not accumulated assets either by past work or through inheritance.
 
NIMBY said:
Sounds like you've been through this, just like me. I do see the day coming shortly where children of Medicaid parents are means and asset tested to kick in more $$$, and I don't mind that, as I would pay more for my Mother in a heart beat .
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I have not been through this latest twist of the Medicaid law personally. When my mother was sick and dying she did not qualify for any Medicaid assistance until 1/2 of my parents assets had been depleted paying for her care - her Medicaid benefits started six weeks before her death. Fortunately, my father (now 95) has VA (tricare?) and Medicare to cover his medical care expenses and enough of a retirement (Social Security, VA benefits and a CSRS pension) to pay for his room and board at the state veteran's home in the Alzheimer's unit with a decent amount left over.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That is true yet many do have assets and are unaware that their estate is being (legally) depleted by accepting "free" Medicaid assistance. This is especially true for those that "must" take (expanded) Medicaid as their insurance carrier because they make too little income to get a PPACA exchange subsidized policy in their state. Having a low income now does not mean that they had not accumulated assets either by past work or through inheritance.
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Mom's social security wasn't enough to qualify for Medicaid. Without Dad's Air Force pension, he's gone now, we would have been SOL .
 
Mac77 said:
Seniors have medicare

As for truly disabled people there is less money for them because so many able bodies goldgricks are mooching off the system
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Unlike Medicaid, Medicare does not cover room and board in a nursing home or assisted living facility - it only pays for actual medical treatment.
 
NIMBY said:
Mom's social security wasn't enough to qualify for Medicaid. Without Dad's Air Force pension, he's gone now, we would have been SOL .
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Did you mean to say Medicare?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I have not been through this latest twist of the Medicaid law personally. When my mother was sick and dying she did not qualify for any Medicaid assistance until 1/2 of my parents assets had been depleted paying for her care - her Medicaid benefits started six weeks before her death. Fortunately, my father (now 95) has VA (tricare?) and Medicare to cover his medical care expenses and enough of a retirement (Social Security, VA benefits and a CSRS pension) to pay for his room and board at the state veteran's home in the Alzheimer's unit with a decent amount left over.
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95--1922--too young to be a 'notch baby' who could never get social security like my wife's dear farmer Father who was a tank destroyer in WWII in Italy. We really have a lot in common with our Dads, though your's is much older with the dreaded Alzheimer's.

Mine got it bad at 81-yo and we got him in to Quincy, IL (205 acre 'city within a city' 4th oldest in the USA in 1884 for civil war Vets coming of age). He lasted 3.5 years. Thank GOD for tri-care-for-life.

Okay; who has POA; get on the same page with your siblings; when Dad was out of gas, we had to fight the palliative doctor to let him go; they required 3 days for us to 'think about it', while they're still sucking the VA dry; we siblings were lucky; we saw other families split and divided for 45 days;

The best thing we did was give him the 'breathing treatment' when we unhooked him. He lasted 7 hours and did some things that I can only describe as 'miracles'. I strongly recommend this breathing treatment at the end; the last hours were so worth it;

I screamed the first time his heart stopped; he came back for 30 minutes and went slowly; being on morphine, not taking fluid for 9 days without a 'brown alert; let the man go!!! They quickly go from warm to cold ;

I've been there; I know what you're going through; my heart and mind are with you ;
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Did you mean to say Medicare?
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Medicaid meaning the subsidy for assisted living home. She gets the Medicare also but true-care-for-life is the biggie. Dad set aside 35% of his Air Force retirement for 38 years, so we paid for what she gets on Air Force pension and then some .
 
NIMBY said:
95--1922--too young to be a 'notch baby' who could never get social security like my wife's dear farmer Father who was a tank destroyer in WWII in Italy. We really have a lot in common with our Dads, though your's is much older with the dreaded Alzheimer's.

Mine got it bad at 81-yo and we got him in to Quincy, IL (205 acre 'city within a city' 4th oldest in the USA in 1884 for civil war Vets coming of age). He lasted 3.5 years. Thank GOD for tri-care-for-life.

Okay; who has POA; get on the same page with your siblings; when Dad was out of gas, we had to fight the palliative doctor to let him go; they required 3 days for us to 'think about it', while they're still sucking the VA dry; we siblings were lucky; we saw other families split and divided for 45 days;

The best thing we did was give him the 'breathing treatment' when we unhooked him. He lasted 7 hours and did some things that I can only describe as 'miracles'. I strongly recommend this breathing treatment at the end; the last hours were so worth it;

I screamed the first time his heart stopped; he came back for 30 minutes and went slowly; being on morphine, not taking fluid for 9 days without a 'brown alert; let the man go!!! They quickly go from warm to cold ;

I've been there; I know why you're going through; my heart and mind are with you ;
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I have become my fathers legal guardian and representative payee for almost all of his retirement income (his VA benefits are paid directly to the state veteran's home). Legal guardianship (much more powerful than a POA) makes it impossible for anyone else (including my father) to make any decision on his behalf - the state veteran's home cannot give him a haircut or get his glasses fixed without my express permission to do so. Another benefit to legal guardianship (over a POA) is that a court reviews (annually) my father's financial status and I must be bonded to the projected value of his estate (the bond amount is adjusted annually).

When one of my brothers had POA he took all of my father's income, his home, his car and estate (contents of the home and investment accounts) and also ran up credit card debt (of about $20K) in his name - not everyone is that much of an asshole but POA is ripe for abuse because there is no oversight. I am still in the process of trying to get my brother criminally charged for elder exploitation (abuse) for having taken over $150K from him. Apparently, a relative cannot get a criminal investigation started (they keep insisting that it is a civil matter because we are related). I was able to get Adult Protective Services (APS) to act (they "investigated" the matter) but that took 15 months and has not resulted in anything more than a revocation of my brother's POA and the state taking temporary guardianship of my father. I then had to "contest" the state to gain permanent guardianship which cost about $8K (split between myself and my father) in legal fees.
 
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MTAtech said:
Heaven forbid the Congress pass a bill that creates a system that improves the lives of Americans.
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I guess with all the special interests paying big bucks for special treatment trump voters will be left out in the cold by the congressional republicans
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Unlike Medicaid, Medicare does not cover room and board in a nursing home or assisted living facility - it only pays for actual medical treatment.
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Medicare doesn't but there are private supplimential plans that cover nursing home stays

And one reason more people don't have it is because they heard medicaid will cover it for free
 
Mac77 said:
Medicare doesn't but there are private supplimential plans that cover nursing home stays

And one reason more people don't have it is because they heard medicaid will cover it for free
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As I have explained in prior posts, Medicaid essentially places a lien on your estate but, otherwise, it is "free" and will, in many cases, cover medically necessary nursing home care. Since Medicaid is a federal and state joint venture its rules can (and do) vary by state.

Medicaid will pay for a nursing home only when it is "medically necessary." In Texas, for a nursing home to be considered medically necessary, you must have a medical condition that is so serious that you need the level of nursing care that is only available in an institution. Your doctor must document your medical condition and must prescribe skilled nursing services to be provided to you on a regular basis in an institutional setting. Nursing care includes things like giving shots, inserting a feeding tube or catheter, treating bed sores, and changing wound dressings.

For Medicaid to keep paying for your nursing home stay, a doctor has to certify at least every six months that you meet the standard for medical necessity.

If you only need custodial care (someone to watch over you), for instance, because you fall often or because you have dementia and tend to wander, then Medicaid will find that a nursing home stay is not medically necessary because you do not need a nurse.
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When Medicaid in Texas Will Pay for a Nursing Home, Assisted Living, or Home Health Care | Nolo.com
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Yeah we see Compassionate Conservatism here almost daily at it's finest. :roll:
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I am a conservative. Many of the folks that claim "conservative values" are really just right wing liberals.
 
Mac77 said:
Seniors have medicare

As for truly disabled people there is less money for them because so many able bodies goldgricks are mooching off the system
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Yeah.. medicare doesn't pay for long term care for seniors.. Medicaid does.

and the intellectual disconnect is so obvious here.

able bodies goldgricks are mooching off the system
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Righhhhhttttt... Duh.. how much HEALTHCARE... are ABLE BODIED "goldbricks" going to be able to "mooch off the system"...

Duh... if they are ABLE BODIED.. then they are not going to use healthcare services. A senior with a stroke.. they use healthcare services... an able bodied person does not.. CAN NOT.. walk into a hospital and say " I feel like a endarterectomy today" and get one.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Nope....
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Yep.

Core beliefs of conservatism is fiscal responsibility and smaller government. But the right wing liberals.. have no problem with large government spending as long as its on tax credits, or things like the military complex.

So they want massive spending just like liberals.. but instead of on things on the left.. they want spending on things on the right.

they also like government involvement in personal lives.. whether what a woman can do with her body and her medical procedures.. or what my patients can ingest in their own bodies.

Its a liberal philosophy.. just one from the right.
 
jaeger19 said:
Yep.

Core beliefs of conservatism is fiscal responsibility and smaller government. But the right wing liberals.. have no problem with large government spending as long as its on tax credits, or things like the military complex.

So they want massive spending just like liberals.. but instead of on things on the left.. they want spending on things on the right.

they also like government involvement in personal lives.. whether what a woman can do with her body and her medical procedures.. or what my patients can ingest in their own bodies.

Its a liberal philosophy.. just one from the right.
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I hear you and agree with some of what you are saying. Especially the MIC. Because there are NO fiscal conservatives in the GOP anymore. But the GOP has been taken over by the far right nationalist racists. So I disagree with you use of the term 'liberal'... With what's going on in the GOP nowadays there's nothing 'liberal' about the Republicans or conservatives in this country anymore.
 
NIMBY said:
95--1922--too young to be a 'notch baby' who could never get social security like my wife's dear farmer Father who was a tank destroyer in WWII in Italy. We really have a lot in common with our Dads, though your's is much older with the dreaded Alzheimer's.

Mine got it bad at 81-yo and we got him in to Quincy, IL (205 acre 'city within a city' 4th oldest in the USA in 1884 for civil war Vets coming of age). He lasted 3.5 years. Thank GOD for tri-care-for-life.

Okay; who has POA; get on the same page with your siblings; when Dad was out of gas, we had to fight the palliative doctor to let him go; they required 3 days for us to 'think about it', while they're still sucking the VA dry; we siblings were lucky; we saw other families split and divided for 45 days;

The best thing we did was give him the 'breathing treatment' when we unhooked him. He lasted 7 hours and did some things that I can only describe as 'miracles'. I strongly recommend this breathing treatment at the end; the last hours were so worth it;

I screamed the first time his heart stopped; he came back for 30 minutes and went slowly; being on morphine, not taking fluid for 9 days without a 'brown alert; let the man go!!! They quickly go from warm to cold ;

I've been there; I know what you're going through; my heart and mind are with you ;
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My heart goes out to you.. I have been there with my patients. Its not an easy thing.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
I hear you and agree with some of what you are saying. Especially the MIC. Because there are NO fiscal conservatives in the GOP anymore. But the GOP has been taken over by the far right nationalist racists. So I disagree with you use of the term 'liberal'... With what's going on in the GOP nowadays there's nothing 'liberal' about the Republicans or conservatives in this country anymore.
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Well..liberal general means "liberal" with government spending and government particularly government oversight. That's why they are liberals. just instead of gun control.. its abortion.. instead of spending on Medicaid.. its spending on tax credits and subsidies for big business.

but really.. there is little difference in the basic philosophy of the liberal use of government power.

There are still plenty of fiscal conservatives in the GOP. Ironically.. many of them are now called "RINO's". But you are correct.. we have been taken over by the far right.. radical.. and really liberal wing of the party.
 
ModerateGOP said:
He's got a point.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...eb7d3a2d304_story.html?utm_term=.72e24221683a
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Did you hear what Cantor said?

In context, when Cantor says he and his party felt the need to “let it be,” he means that Republicans fed a bunch of nonsense to their own voters, then exploited their anger for electoral gain with no intention of following through.


Cantor and his colleagues, in other words, played their base for fools – because they thought it’d help them win some elections, which it did.
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Cantor comes clean, admits he didn't believe his own ACA rhetoric | MSNBC

They played their base for fools and their base has proven them right. Hopefully, they wise up to the astronomical chasm between republican rhetoric and objective reality.
 
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