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Hawkeye10

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Or it will never happen who can know given this cluster-**** of a town. Everyone I have heard agrees that there are not enough votes, everything's on hold for at least a week under the excuse of a minor medical procedure to McCain...Maybe he his taking one for the team here, agreeing to be the excuse. What I find most interesting is Trump, it looks to me like this was Mitch and Pauls operation, that there is an agreement that they are honor bound to get this done and Trump will stay out of it, after all this is exactly the kind of service these two promised the rookie Trump would need, promised America summer 2016 that they would deliever. Trump is like "Fine, go do that".....and they wont I expect, I said that about ten weeks ago here and I say it now that will not get done, the only question is how much of this in driven by the impeachment and how much is driven by their colossal incompetence, and I confess that I do not know .

The balance of power is going to change some I spect.

WHADDYA THINK?

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Hawkeye10 said:
Or it will never happen who can know given this cluster-**** of a town. Everyone I have heard agrees that there are not enough votes, everything's on hold for at least a week under the excuse of a minor medical procedure to McCain...Maybe he his taking one for the team here, agreeing to be the excuse. What I find most interesting is Trump, it looks to me like this was Mitch and Pauls operation, that there is an agreement that they are honor bound to get this done and Trump will stay out of it, after all this is exactly the kind of service these two promised the rookie Trump would need, promised America summer 2016 that they would deliever. Trump is like "Fine, go do that".....and they wont I expect, I said that about ten weeks ago here and I say it now that will not get done, the only question is how much of this in driven by the impeachment and how much is driven by their colossal incompetence, and I confess that I do not know .

The balance of power is going to change some I spect.
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Yeah....from a republican controlled congress to a democratically controlled one.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Or it will never happen who can know given this cluster-**** of a town. Everyone I have heard agrees that there are not enough votes, everything's on hold for at least a week under the excuse of a minor medical procedure to McCain...Maybe he his taking one for the team here, agreeing to be the excuse. What I find most interesting is Trump, it looks to me like this was Mitch and Pauls operation, that there is an agreement that they are honor bound to get this done and Trump will stay out of it, after all this is exactly the kind of service these two promised the rookie Trump would need, promised America summer 2016 that they would deliever. Trump is like "Fine, go do that".....and they wont I expect, I said that about ten weeks ago here and I say it now that will not get done, the only question is how much of this in driven by the impeachment and how much is driven by their colossal incompetence, and I confess that I do not know .

The balance of power is going to change some I spect.

WHADDYA THINK?

:2wave:
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Trump will not get this or anything else done. Even if it looks like he is getting something done it later gets shot down by one of the other checks and balances in this government. Trump mistakenly thought that America was a business and if he had an idea, people would go out and do it. Government doesn't work that way. There are many different agendas with people who have been working on them for like twenty years, (not healthcare obviously) personal agendas that is.

Those of us in the party who didn't get sucked onto the Trump train, knew this. We knew he didn't have the power or even the so-called strong support that he claims he does in the party. Most of the people who are working with him now are doing so to play along to get along. Because abandoning Trump will mean revolt from the base supporters. So they stick it out for however long the useful idiot and his sons are in power. That's the great thing about democracy. At least we know they'll be gone soon, but the swamp remains. SO much for MAGA.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Or it will never happen who can know given this cluster-**** of a town. Everyone I have heard agrees that there are not enough votes, everything's on hold for at least a week under the excuse of a minor medical procedure to McCain...Maybe he his taking one for the team here, agreeing to be the excuse. What I find most interesting is Trump, it looks to me like this was Mitch and Pauls operation, that there is an agreement that they are honor bound to get this done and Trump will stay out of it, after all this is exactly the kind of service these two promised the rookie Trump would need, promised America summer 2016 that they would deliever. Trump is like "Fine, go do that".....and they wont I expect, I said that about ten weeks ago here and I say it now that will not get done, the only question is how much of this in driven by the impeachment and how much is driven by their colossal incompetence, and I confess that I do not know .

The balance of power is going to change some I spect.

WHADDYA THINK?

:2wave:
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That's an interesting thought that McCain is covering for why they can't pass TrumpCare.
 
I find it very hard to believe McCain would "take one for the team", particularly in anything that would help Trump out.

I say either McCain's issue is legit, or McConnell don't have the votes and is using McCain as an excuse. Most likely the latter.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Or it will never happen who can know given this cluster-**** of a town. Everyone I have heard agrees that there are not enough votes, everything's on hold for at least a week under the excuse of a minor medical procedure to McCain...Maybe he his taking one for the team here, agreeing to be the excuse. What I find most interesting is Trump, it looks to me like this was Mitch and Pauls operation, that there is an agreement that they are honor bound to get this done and Trump will stay out of it, after all this is exactly the kind of service these two promised the rookie Trump would need, promised America summer 2016 that they would deliever. Trump is like "Fine, go do that".....and they wont I expect, I said that about ten weeks ago here and I say it now that will not get done, the only question is how much of this in driven by the impeachment and how much is driven by their colossal incompetence, and I confess that I do not know .

The balance of power is going to change some I spect.

WHADDYA THINK?

:2wave:
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I don't see anything driven by impeachment. Impeachment, in it's current guise, is about as likely as repealing and replacing ObamaCare was while Obama was President. Unless of course, Trump starts to lose support amongst the GOP rank & file voters ...
 
rocket88 said:
That's an interesting thought that McCain is covering for why they can't pass TrumpCare.
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It's the least he can do after the way he has been acting, our military is a wreck, he claims to be the expert and sometimes enforcer keeping America safe.

WTF happened?
 
The irony of the HEALTHCARE vote being delayed by a HEALTHCARE issue has not escaped my notice.

Octogenarian Senator McCain reportedly had a 2" blood-clot removed from over his eye.

Do you suppose Senator McCain (R-AZ) is satisfied with the healthcare he received?

How do you think this McCain hospitalization experience will affect McCain's healthcare vote?

If it were you instead of McCain, would you in good conscience be able to vote to take away healthcare coverage from tens of millions of your countrymen, so soon after your own Cadillac healthcare plan did so well for you?
 
sear said:
The irony of the HEALTHCARE vote being delayed by a HEALTHCARE issue has not escaped my notice.

Octogenarian Senator McCain reportedly had a 2" blood-clot removed from over his eye.

Do you suppose Senator McCain (R-AZ) is satisfied with the healthcare he received?

How do you think this McCain hospitalization experience will affect McCain's healthcare vote?

If it were you instead of McCain, would you in good conscience be able to vote to take away healthcare coverage from tens of millions of your countrymen, so soon after your own Cadillac healthcare plan did so well for you?
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If the health issue is not resolved and McCain can't vote, no chance exists for passage of the bill unless it is tweaked much more to appeal to centrists. That means it can't pass in the House.
 
"the health issue" JB #14
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"The" health issue? Which one is that?
"is not resolved and McCain can't vote" JB
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McCain can vote.
McCain may be obeying doctor's orders out of caution; not insensible for an 80 year old U.S. military combat vet.

BUT !!

I wouldn't rule out the possibility that McCain knows "repeal and replace" efforts and events have not been breaking McConnell's (R-KY) way.
McCain wouldn't be the only legislator that may think allowing McConnell's bill to die in the crib may be the most favorable outcome.

It's also true that if the bill is tweaked to curry favor with one or two other senators (voters), the risk is as many or more prior "yea" votes may switch to "nay". A net draw.
McConnell may end up eating his own crap sandwich all by himself.
 
As of this moment, 4 GOP Senators say they are voting no.
 
M #16

So can McConnell get the votes he needs?

And even if he does, would it matter?

Whatever McConnell ooks out would then have to get through house / senate reconciliation w/ Ryan's ook.

That may be even less likely than McConnell ook.

nope

I suspect the Republican fantasy of "repeal & replace" is a pipe-dream.

The amusing part of that is Republicans have been ridiculing ACA for ~7 years. Obama has showed them what Donald Trump has now admitted.
BEFORE
"I'm not gunna cut Social Security like every other Republican. I'm not gunna cut Medicare or Medicaid." Candidate Donald Trump 15/05/26

"I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody's gunna be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now." Candidate Trump 15/09/27 to CBS Scott Pelly

"You're going to have such great healthcare at a tiny fraction of the cost." candidate Trump 16/10/25 from campaign podium


AFTER
“Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated.” President Trump
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Donald,
You're a dope!
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Or it will never happen who can know given this cluster-**** of a town. Everyone I have heard agrees that there are not enough votes, everything's on hold for at least a week under the excuse of a minor medical procedure to McCain...Maybe he his taking one for the team here, agreeing to be the excuse. What I find most interesting is Trump, it looks to me like this was Mitch and Pauls operation, that there is an agreement that they are honor bound to get this done and Trump will stay out of it, after all this is exactly the kind of service these two promised the rookie Trump would need, promised America summer 2016 that they would deliever. Trump is like "Fine, go do that".....and they wont I expect, I said that about ten weeks ago here and I say it now that will not get done, the only question is how much of this in driven by the impeachment and how much is driven by their colossal incompetence, and I confess that I do not know .

The balance of power is going to change some I spect.

WHADDYA THINK?

:2wave:
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I think we need potus leadership to twist some arms.

Trump needs to call a press conference during prime time tv, interuppting everyones lives.
outline what he wants in new healthcare legislation
make it clear to the public and congress that if his goal is not reached before the new budget needs his signature to be expecting to be put a drastic fiscal diet either by line item veto or a complete gov shutdown.
I would then ask the american people for their helpby writing and calling their represenitives to tell them they support what the president is asking for and they will lose their seats if they do not comply.

Trump needs to use his political capital to get this done. He is being jerked around and being made to look foolish. He needs to punch back.

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trouble13 said:
I think we need potus leadership to twist some arms.

Trump needs to call a press conference during prime time tv, interuppting everyones lives.
outline what he wants in new healthcare legislation
make it clear to the public and congress that if his goal is not reached before the new budget needs his signature to be expecting to be put a drastic fiscal diet either by line item veto or a complete gov shutdown.
I would then ask the american people for their helpby writing and calling their represenitives to tell them they support what the president is asking for and they will lose their seats if they do not comply.

Trump needs to use his political capital to get this done. He is being jerked around and being made to look foolish. He needs to punch back.

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Trumps leadership has been fine, it is the poor quality following that is the problem.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trumps leadership has been fine, it is the poor quality following that is the problem.
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IMO stronger leadership is required from Tump on this issue if he wants something done. He has already threatened to make congress live with ACA exactly as it was passed if congress does not get something passed. He will not allow them to tweak it to get by. I think that was a good gesture of leadership but if its not enough than he needs to turn the pressure up, if its something he really wants done.

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Unitedwestand13 said:
Yeah....from a republican controlled congress to a democratically controlled one.
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I don't think it's that straightforward. Congressional districts are incredibly gerrymandered, and voting has become more ingroup / outgroup. Generally, it takes a massive event such as an economic collapse or worse to reset tribal perception. For example, if the economy collapses, most of us will consider ourselves workers first before we self identify as Republicans or Democrats. Likewise, on a much larger scale, it would take a catastrophic and undeniably immediate threat to the planet like an incoming asteroid to get us to forget about imaginary national borders / kingdoms.

I've been thinking about this a lot lately, as well as a concept that I refer to as tribal blindness. Might make for an interesting thread.
 
Helix said:
"For example, if the economy collapses, most of us will consider ourselves workers first before we self identify as Republicans or Democrats." H
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Our political duopoly retains reputation decades after such notoriety is no longer deserved.

In the Goldwater era, Republicans had a reputation for being good on defense, being fiscal conservatives; and Democrats were thought of as peacenics.

Our 3rd Millennium reality is quite different.

The U.S. suffered its worst terrorist attack on the U.S. homeland in history during a Republican president's administration.
That Republican president declared the criminal mastermind of that operation "wanted: dead or alive", with Texas swagger. Instead of success, that Republican president started the longest War in U.S. history; still going on today two administrations later!

The "peacenik" president, the Democrat skipped the rhetorical swagger, and paid attention to detail, tracked UBL down, and fed him to the fishes.

So much for political party reputation.

Which party is better on jobs?
“... Reince Priebus, the Republican National Chairman today said that 300K jobs ... aught to be expected every month ... and just a historical perspective:
- during the 8 years of President Bush (younger) there were 2.1 million net jobs created in the United States. Of the 2.1 million, 1.8 million of them were in the public sector ... that means there were 300,000 jobs in the private sector in 8 months, in 8 years rather, net ...
more jobs have been created in the United States in the last 4 years than in Europe, Japan, all the industrialized modern world combined. ...
70 years since WWII. 36 years of Republican presidents, 34 years of Democratic presidents. In those 70 years, there were 36.7 million jobs created under Republican presidents ... a little over half the time. In 34 years there were 63.7 million created by Democrats. That's 29 million more. You know, perhaps it's an accident once, or twice or what. But I mean at some point the Democrats ought to be comfort in the fact that they have been better the economy and job creation than have been the opposition.
...
It's 15 years since we've had 10 consecutive months of over 200,000 [job growth]. Just 15 years ago there was a fella from Arkansas ... there were more jobs created in Bill Clinton's 8 years than there were in Ronald Reagan's 8 years, and the 12 years of both Bush's combined. I mean 6 million more jobs created in those 8 years, ... policy does kick in, & is reflected in the results.” Mark Shields
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