Another "emotional Donald Trump supporter" realizes health care may be in their rear

Another "emotional Donald Trump supporter" realizes health care may be in their rear view mirror




An emotional Donald Trump supporter on Tuesday told CNN’s Don Lemon he wouldn’t be able to afford health insurance if it weren’t for Obamacare, the signature legislation the president has promised to repeal.



“You’re a life long republican, yet you and your wife are insured through Obamacare,” Lemon said to guest Don Riscoe. “What will happen to that insurance if Obamacare is repealed?”

“We probably won’t be insured,” a visibly upset Riscoe replied.


Riscoe said Obamacare “does have problems” that need to get fixed. “I hope that there’s something that will be in place that we can still have coverage for myself and a lot of others,” Riscoe said.

WATCH: Emotional Donald Trump supporter explains that his family ‘won’t be insured’ if Obamacare goes away


:2wave: Have a nice life sport, try to enjoy the remaining time with your Wife.

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I'm sure this is a credible person CNN dug up. Actually he sucked.

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Cigar said:

Another "emotional Donald Trump supporter" realizes health care may be in their rear view mirror

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An emotional Donald Trump supporter on Tuesday told CNN’s Don Lemon he wouldn’t be able to afford health insurance if it weren’t for Obamacare, the signature legislation the president has promised to repeal.



“You’re a life long republican, yet you and your wife are insured through Obamacare,” Lemon said to guest Don Riscoe. “What will happen to that insurance if Obamacare is repealed?”

“We probably won’t be insured,” a visibly upset Riscoe replied.


Riscoe said Obamacare “does have problems” that need to get fixed. “I hope that there’s something that will be in place that we can still have coverage for myself and a lot of others,” Riscoe said.

WATCH: Emotional Donald Trump supporter explains that his family ‘won’t be insured’ if Obamacare goes away


:2wave: Have a nice life sport, try to enjoy the remaining time with your Wife.

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Don Lemon is an idiot, You believe CNN? How do they know either way if they will be insured or not, did they read the bill?


Use your brain man. stop swallowing blatant propaganda.

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Wow, I wonder what people did for health coverage prior to the ACA?

Me? Between the time I got out of the Army and the first year of Obamacare, I had no health coverage unless it was a part of some job benefit.

Like people did before, I simply took care of myself...avoiding things like alcohol, smoking, over-eating, etc., meanwhile keeping to a balanced diet free of soft drinks and bad additives, and exercising regularly.

On those rare occasions I felt sick enough to see a doctor, I simply paid for it out of pocket. The expense of such visits to an Emergency Room taught me the value of maintaining a healthy lifestyle. That my health is MY responsibility.

I never realized I could have had V.A. coverage until the ACA was enacted. Even then, I only investigated because otherwise I would be taxed a couple thousand dollars every year as "punishment" (read "my share") to pay for other people being covered by it.

I offer this story simply to balance one "anecdote" with another. Yes, I am sure there are a number of people who have become dependent on the ACA, like any other social welfare program.

On the other hand, there are as many who, like myself, depend on their own independent actions to take care of themselves without expecting others to do so for them. :coffeepap:

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ReverendHellh0und said:

Don Lemon is an idiot, You believe CNN? How do they know either way if they will be insured or not, did they read the bill?


Use your brain man. stop swallowing blatant propaganda.

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Step one: Attack the Moderator :lol:

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Captain Adverse said:

Wow, I wonder what people did for health coverage prior to the ACA?

Me? Between the time I got out of the Army and the first year of Obamacare, I had no health coverage unless it was a part of some job benefit.

Like people did before, I simply took care of myself...avoiding things like alcohol, smoking, over-eating, etc., meanwhile keeping to a balanced diet free of soft drinks and bad additives, and exercising regularly.

On those rare occasions I felt sick enough to see a doctor, I simply paid for it out of pocket. The expense of such visits to an Emergency Room taught me the value of maintaining a healthy lifestyle. That my health is MY responsibility.

I never realized I could have had V.A. coverage until the ACA was enacted. Even then, I only investigated because otherwise I would be taxed a couple thousand dollars every year as "punishment" (read "my share") to pay for other people being covered by it.

I offer this story simply to balance one "anecdote" with another. Yes, I am sure there are a number of people who have become dependent on the ACA, like any other social welfare program.

On the other hand, there are as many who, like myself, depend on their own independent actions to take care of themselves without expecting others to do so for them. :coffeepap:

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They ended up on 60 Minutes once a Month being interview from the Trailer park.

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Cigar said:

Step one: Attack the Moderator :lol:

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Don Lemon is a left wing tool.

Random people dug up have no idea if they will keep or lose their insurance.


Think, man, while it's still legal.... you are swallowing propaganda with hyper partisan newstainment.

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Captain Adverse said:

Wow, I wonder what people did for health coverage prior to the ACA?

Me? Between the time I got out of the Army and the first year of Obamacare, I had no health coverage unless it was a part of some job benefit.

Like people did before, I simply took care of myself...avoiding things like alcohol, smoking, over-eating, etc., meanwhile keeping to a balanced diet free of soft drinks and bad additives, and exercising regularly.

On those rare occasions I felt sick enough to see a doctor, I simply paid for it out of pocket. The expense of such visits to an Emergency Room taught me the value of maintaining a healthy lifestyle. That my health is MY responsibility.

I never realized I could have had V.A. coverage until the ACA was enacted. Even then, I only investigated because otherwise I would be taxed a couple thousand dollars every year as "punishment" (read "my share") to pay for other people being covered by it.

I offer this story simply to balance one "anecdote" with another. Yes, I am sure there are a number of people who have become dependent on the ACA, like any other social welfare program.

On the other hand, there are as many who, like myself, depend on their own independent actions to take care of themselves without expecting others to do so for them. :coffeepap:

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Fortunately, you didn't have a heart attack and need a $100,000 bypass operation or contract cancer and need chemo.

The idea that before the ACA everything was fine, you just "took care of yourself," is baloney. People neglected their health and when it got serious, they went to the ER and got high bills that maybe they didn't pay, f'ing up their credit and burdening the rest of us with the cost, or they got into debt. The ACA caught illnesses before they got serious and pays for prevention care. This is not "welfare" as you describe above -- no more than employer provided health insurance is welfare.

On the thread topic, there are lots of Trump voters that, whether they knew it or not, were voting to take away their health insurance. In Kentucky, which is represented by Mitch McConnell, the Senate majority leader, Medicaid covers a third of the population -- mostly through ACA's expanded Medicaid (78% of Kentuckians on Medicaid are white.) West Virginia, that went 70% for Trump, is another state that depends on the ACA for not only coverage but for keeping rural hospitals in business.

If Republicans get their way, all that will be gone. Of the 24.7 million more people that would be uninsured in 2022 under the Senate plan, about 57% of the uninsured would be whites, while more than half would have a high school education or less. Also, 72% would be in families with at least one full-time worker. Those are Trump's base. If they are denied that "victory" it's because of Democrats. As a liberal Democrat, I resent being called an elitist while I save rural America's ass because they can't figure out which candidate has their backs and which ones just pretend to have their backs.

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Cigar said:

Another "emotional Donald Trump supporter" realizes health care may be in their rear view mirror

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An emotional Donald Trump supporter on Tuesday told CNN’s Don Lemon he wouldn’t be able to afford health insurance if it weren’t for Obamacare, the signature legislation the president has promised to repeal.



“You’re a life long republican, yet you and your wife are insured through Obamacare,” Lemon said to guest Don Riscoe. “What will happen to that insurance if Obamacare is repealed?”

“We probably won’t be insured,” a visibly upset Riscoe replied.


Riscoe said Obamacare “does have problems” that need to get fixed. “I hope that there’s something that will be in place that we can still have coverage for myself and a lot of others,” Riscoe said.

WATCH: Emotional Donald Trump supporter explains that his family ‘won’t be insured’ if Obamacare goes away


:2wave: Have a nice life sport, try to enjoy the remaining time with your Wife.

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I saw last night that lying Trump and his puppets were complaining that 22 million people were not insured because...Obamacare. Of course, they ignored the fact that Trumpcare would kick another 22 million off the roles, but stuff like that probably sells to idiots who voted for him and will be among those who lose their insurance.

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calamity said:

I saw last night that lying Trump and his puppets were complaining that 22 million people were not insured because...Obamacare. Of course, they ignored the fact that Trumpcare would kick another 22 million off the roles, but stuff like that probably sells to idiots who voted for him and will be among those who lose their insurance.

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The people who are uninsured can blame their own Governors for not expanding Medicaid

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So has anybody bought the "deaths since trumpcare" domain name yet?

That's gonna be a riot!

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Cigar said:

The people who are uninsured can blame their own Governors for not expanding Medicaid

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They rather blame the black guy with the funny name. You know how this works. I'm sure not one red state governor lost his job over it.

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calamity said:

They rather blame the black guy with the funny name. You know how this works. I'm sure not one red state governor lost his job over it.

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... or the Heritage Foundation for creating it.

Barack just beat them to it.

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calamity said:

I saw last night that lying Trump and his puppets were complaining that 22 million people were not insured because...Obamacare. Of course, they ignored the fact that Trumpcare would kick another 22 million off the roles, but stuff like that probably sells to idiots who voted for him and will be among those who lose their insurance.

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Trump wouldn't know a fact or the truth if it bit him in the balls. His WH puppets are merely boot-lickers that Trump wouldn't miss a second of sleep throwing them under the bus. Why the lie for him and carry his water is beyond me. Self-respect and dignity wasn't a job qualification, I guess.

The facts are that the ACA did a great deal to help real people and both the House and Senate plans do nothing to improve health care (they do the opposite). The major thing either does is what Warren Buffett said, 'the Republican healthcare bill has one goal: to help rich people like him.' "Well, I brought my tax return along for the last year," Buffett told PBS' Judy Woodruff. "I filed this on April 15. And if the Republican — well, if the bill that passed the House with 217 votes had been in effect this year, I would have saved — I can give you the exact figure. I would have saved $679,999, or over 17% of my tax bill," Buffett said.

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MTAtech said:

Fortunately, you didn't have a heart attack and need a $100,000 bypass operation or contract cancer and need chemo.

The idea that before the ACA everything was fine, you just "took care of yourself," is baloney. People neglected their health and when it got serious, they went to the ER and got high bills that maybe they didn't pay, f'ing up their credit and burdening the rest of us with the cost, or they got into debt. The ACA caught illnesses before they got serious and pays for prevention care. This is not "welfare" as you describe above -- no more than employer provided health insurance is welfare.

On the thread topic, there are lots of Trump voters that, whether they knew it or not, were voting to take away their health insurance. In Kentucky, which is represented by Mitch McConnell, the Senate majority leader, Medicaid covers a third of the population -- mostly through ACA's expanded Medicaid (78% of Kentuckians on Medicaid are white.) West Virginia, that went 70% for Trump, is another state that depends on the ACA for not only coverage but for keeping rural hospitals in business.

If Republicans get their way, all that will be gone. Of the 24.7 million more people that would be uninsured in 2022 under the Senate plan, about 57% of the uninsured would be whites, while more than half would have a high school education or less. Also, 72% would be in families with at least one full-time worker. Those are Trump's base. If they are denied that "victory" it's because of Democrats. As a liberal Democrat, I resent being called an elitist while I save rural America's ass because they can't figure out which candidate has their backs and which ones just pretend to have their backs.

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And the deductibles are so high with ACA that people who were getting care before don't know even though they are still 'insured'.


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Aberration said:

And the deductibles are so high with ACA that people who were getting care before don't know even though they are still 'insured'.

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You do know that insurance companies set the rates, right? What the ACA does is subsidies people under 400% of the poverty rate to afford this insurance. If you want low deductibles, you choose a better plan, like the gold plan. But if you want a cheap plan, with no deductible, and no copay, you want higher subsidies. If that's what you want, don't look to the GOP.

In any case, the Senate bill doesn't do anything to make deductibles lower. In fact, the CBO said that the deductibles would be so high that people would make the rational choice not to be insured.

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So let's go back to the System prior to 2008, when Bankruptcies from Healthcare Bills were at it's highest in history.

Think about it, what type of people and in what type of income bracket do Bankruptcies impact?

It sure as hell ain't Poor People, but guess who are the ones who will now join them in the same Soup Kitchen?

One Health Catastrophe can blow a Middle-Class Family back into the Stone Age.

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Aberration said:

And the deductibles are so high with ACA that people who were getting care before don't know even though they are still 'insured'.

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If true, makes it hard to explain why the GOP is trying to raise deductibles.

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MTAtech said:

You do know that insurance companies set the rates, right? What the ACA does is subsidies people under 400% of the poverty rate to afford this insurance. If you want low deductibles, you choose a better plan, like the gold plan. But if you want a cheap plan, with no deductible, and no copay, you want higher subsidies. If that's what you want, don't look to the GOP.

In any case, the Senate bill doesn't do anything to make deductibles lower. In fact, the CBO said that the deductibles would be so high that people would make the rational choice not to be insured.

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You hit on the interesting point that the Republican plan simply allows insurance companies to take on less risk. Rather than spreading the risk like the ACA did by requiring everyone to get health insurance
Republicans want to create a space where insurance companies get standard pools of risk and those who have higher risk such as elderly or with pre-existing conditions get rationed by pricing them out of the market.

This stems from the underlining assumption that Cruz actually stated in his health care debate with Bernie after the election, we can't afford to give health care to every American. The logical conclusion to that assumption is then to use price to reduce coverage and who is covered.

The unfortunate thing with that assumption is that it there is no reason to look for solutions on how we can cover and provide health care for all Americans.

My personal preference would be to eliminate employer provided group insurance, create a true national insurance market and mandate all individuals have an individual policy. States can figure out who and how much to subsidize. There are a lot of details to work out, but using private insurance, tax free health savings and other schemes could help create a true competitive market for insurance and health care services that lower cost while guaranteeing some sort of min coverage for every one rather than using emergency rooms for that purpose.

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slo1111 said:

You hit on the interesting point that the Republican plan simply allows insurance companies to take on less risk. Rather than spreading the risk like the ACA did by requiring everyone to get health insurance
Republicans want to create a space where insurance companies get standard pools of risk and those who have higher risk such as elderly or with pre-existing conditions get rationed by pricing them out of the market.

This stems from the underlining assumption that Cruz actually stated in his health care debate with Bernie after the election, we can't afford to give health care to every American. The logical conclusion to that assumption is then to use price to reduce coverage and who is covered.

The unfortunate thing with that assumption is that it there is no reason to look for solutions on how we can cover and provide health care for all Americans.

My personal preference would be to eliminate employer provided group insurance, create a true national insurance market and mandate all individuals have an individual policy. States can figure out who and how much to subsidize. There are a lot of details to work out, but using private insurance, tax free health savings and other schemes could help create a true competitive market for insurance and health care services that lower cost while guaranteeing some sort of min coverage for every one rather than using emergency rooms for that purpose.

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I think that the purpose of the GOP alternative had nothing to do with deciding that insurance companies should take less risk (when the purpose of insurance companies is to accept risk, for a fee). I think first and foremost, the purpose of the GOP health alternative was to lower taxes on the rich by getting rid of the ACA taxes. Once they decided that, they had to figure out how to offset the revenue loss and pass it under the reconciliation rules. Their eureka moment was to see that cutting subsidies and savaging Medicaid would provide those "savings."

Thus, the plan that about 17% of the public likes takes health insurance away from tens of millions, providing much worse coverage and far more expensive for millions more.

Ted Cruz is also wrong that we can't cover everyone. Other countries to and for lower costs. I don't accept that the U.S. can't do something that France or Israel can.

I am with you that the only sensible alternative is national single-payer. The problem is that politically in this age it's hard to do.

Of course, what does the policy ignorant #45 just Tweet?

That would throw 32 million off of health insurance. Nice recommendation from the genius in chief.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump...or-32-million-people-to-lose-health-coverage/

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MTAtech said:

I think that the purpose of the GOP alternative had nothing to do with deciding that insurance companies should take less risk (when the purpose of insurance companies is to accept risk, for a fee). I think first and foremost, the purpose of the GOP health alternative was to lower taxes on the rich by getting rid of the ACA taxes. Once they decided that, they had to figure out how to offset the revenue loss and pass it under the reconciliation rules. Their eureka moment was to see that cutting subsidies and savaging Medicaid would provide those "savings."

Thus, the plan that about 17% of the public likes takes health insurance away from tens of millions, providing much worse coverage and far more expensive for millions more.

Ted Cruz is also wrong that we can't cover everyone. Other countries to and for lower costs. I don't accept that the U.S. can't do something that France or Israel can.

I am with you that the only sensible alternative is national single-payer. The problem is that politically in this age it's hard to do.

Of course, what does the policy ignorant #45 just Tweet?

That would throw 32 million off of health insurance. Nice recommendation from the genius in chief.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump...or-32-million-people-to-lose-health-coverage/

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Agreed with almost everything especially tax breaks. I would state though risk is directly related to price of insurance. The only way Republicans can reduce premiums is by reducing risk, which is accomplished by reducing benefits such as not fully protecting pre-existing conditions or depooling certain risk conditions.

That is an important distinction because Republicans present something like eliminating pregnancy coverage as consumer choice. It you look at the mechanism, insurance companies greatly reduce risk of paying claims if they don't have to cover a condition. They can lower premium prices.

However the unintended consequences are drastic. If they provide a rider that women can add maternity to their policy, it costs much more money since there is much much higher risk that the woman would use that coverage. As a result many women can not afford it. It would get to the point that a woman would only get the coverage if they knew they were trying to have a baby. Companies would stop offering the coverage.

In that example it is similar to flood insurance and how it required the government to have step in to provide insurance after companies would no longer cover.



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