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Kasich Steps up to the Plate

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Hats off to a rational Republican.

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of course he's worried about it. he's governor, and his state needs medicaid. when they start kicking people off of it out of necessity, guess who those people will blame first?
 
Helix said:
of course he's worried about it. he's governor, and his state needs medicaid. when they start kicking people off of it out of necessity, guess who those people will blame first?
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He's retiring soon, certainly will not run for reelection. I doubt he's worried about being blamed. I think he is genuinely concerned about the ramifications we all, who dare to look, see on the horizon. Millions of people screwed.
 
calamity said:
Hats off to a rational Republican.

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It's odd that democrats and RINOs criticize that method when pretty much everything the democrats did to get Obamacare passed was one sided. Therir message was "Our way or the highway".
 
Helix said:
of course he's worried about it. he's governor, and his state needs medicaid. when they start kicking people off of it out of necessity, guess who those people will blame first?
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Anyone who is not at or below the poverty level should be kicked off of Medicaid. Expanding Medicaid was a very bad idea to begin with.
 
ObamacareFail said:
It's odd that democrats and RINOs criticize that method when pretty much everything the democrats did to get Obamacare passed was one sided. Therir message was "Our way or the highway".
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True, but at least they had the filibuster proof majority so that it was actually a proper bill. You can't do a proper fix of Obamacare with budget reconciliation alone - you need something more substantial.
 
calamity said:
He's retiring soon, certainly will not run for reelection. I doubt he's worried about being blamed. I think he is genuinely concerned about the ramifications we all, who dare to look, see on the horizon. Millions of people screwed.
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my point is that the Midwest depends heavily on Medicaid, it looks like a lot of people are about to get kicked off of it, and they're going to look to their state politicians, including their governor, first. dude isn't an idiot, so he sees through the spin, and he knows exactly what this bill is going to do.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Anyone who is not at or below the poverty level should be kicked off of Medicaid. Expanding Medicaid was a very bad idea to begin with.
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the problem is a system that ties your access to health care to your specific employer. that system doesn't work without creating some really big gaps, so Medicaid became a necessity. we can solve the Medicaid problem with single payer, though.
 
calamity said:
Hats off to a rational Republican.

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I wish he and others would name the main problem of public health care spending: it is too high.
 
joG said:
I wish he and others would name the main problem of public health care spending: it is too high.
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I wish the GOP spent at least half the energy they do bashing ACA on trying to fix the systemic problems with US healthcare in general. But, there is no easy "win" there.
 
ObamacareFail said:
It's odd that democrats and RINOs criticize that method when pretty much everything the democrats did to get Obamacare passed was one sided. Therir message was "Our way or the highway".
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Over 100 republican amendments were added to the ACA. It was not " our way or the highway".
 
calamity said:
I wish the GOP spent at least half the energy they do bashing ACA on trying to fix the systemic problems with US healthcare in general. But, there is no easy "win" there.
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No easy win. But then, fame and glory are not made of the easy stuff.
;)
 
Helix said:
of course he's worried about it. he's governor, and his state needs medicaid. when they start kicking people off of it out of necessity, guess who those people will blame first?
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If a State government thinks universal healthcare is an advantage, I should have thought that the State could and should introduce it unilaterally. If a State that thinks universal coverage such an advantage didn't, it would be negligent.
 
Helix said:
the problem is a system that ties your access to health care to your specific employer. that system doesn't work without creating some really big gaps, so Medicaid became a necessity. we can solve the Medicaid problem with single payer, though.
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You mean make our healthcare worse with single payer? Why don't you value your health more than that?
We do not have enough doctors as it is.

I do not see paying 40-60% of my check to the government as a good thing.
More so when I have to get additional insurance to cover the gaps in my crapppy government healthcare.

Don't believe me look at Medicare which requires supplemental insurance.

Next you face the issue of doctors simply not taking it along with drug companies.
So what do you do then?

Other single payer systems doctors are employees of the state that doesn't work here in the US.
 
joG said:
If a State government thinks universal healthcare is an advantage, I should have thought that the State could and should introduce it unilaterally. If a State that thinks universal coverage such an advantage didn't, it would be negligent.
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The problem is the state like all the other states can't afford it.

Ft scraped it because it was too expensive.
I ink it was WI or MN looked at it as well.

They scraped it because it would cost them more than their entire budget.

CA is looking at doing it but they face a multi-billion dollar deficit even with
Using federal money if the government lets them.

The estimated cost for the US is between 4-5 trillion after overhead.
Even if you roll 1.5 trillion in savings you still have a 2.5-3.5 trillion deficit.

You would see tax rates soar to cover everyone which would hit working Americans the hardest.
 
Why is this man not a democrat? I don't get why someone like him even pretends to be a republican.
 
Harbo said:
True, but at least they had the filibuster proof majority so that it was actually a proper bill. You can't do a proper fix of Obamacare with budget reconciliation alone - you need something more substantial.
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it was still one sided and with no political cover from the opposition.
 
Helix said:
the problem is a system that ties your access to health care to your specific employer. that system doesn't work without creating some really big gaps, so Medicaid became a necessity. we can solve the Medicaid problem with single payer, though.
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Prior to Obamacare, my health insurance was not tied to my employer. It was an individual policy. As for single payer....in this nation it would be medicare expanded to all age groups. It would lead to a massive doctor and equipment shortage and you would still have to pay through the nose for it. Not all parts of Medicare avoid out of pocket premiums....which would continue to go up and up and up. Ultimately it would be Obamacare by a different name.
 
calamity said:
Hats off to a rational Republican.

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It's a shame the Republicans didn't nominate him as their candidate. He would have won handily, and would have already started healing the differences between the two parties instead of exacerbating them as the actual winner of the election is intent on doing.
 
ObamacareFail said:
It's odd that democrats and RINOs criticize that method when pretty much everything the democrats did to get Obamacare passed was one sided. Therir message was "Our way or the highway".
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I don't like to use these words but you are just lying. Obamacare was debated for nine months and Republicans added over 150 amendments to it. The Democrats also didn't lock Republicans out of the process.

Let's step into the wayback machine and read an article from 2009: Politico: Obama makes quiet play for GOP aid
President Barack Obama’s first date with House Republicans didn’t end so well: He made a high-profile trip to the Capitol to ask for their help with his economic stimulus plan, and they said no — unanimously, twice.

Now Obama is trying again — more quietly and with a smaller group of moderate Republicans who might be more willing to say yes. The goal: Try to get at least some Republicans to back big-ticket items such as Obama’s health care plan, but avoid the public spectacle of being rejected a second time around.
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Dittohead not! said:
It's a shame the Republicans didn't nominate him as their candidate. He would have won handily, and would have already started healing the differences between the two parties instead of exacerbating them as the actual winner of the election is intent on doing.
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Kinda hard to do any healing when the people of the other party keep threatening to assinate you.
Itnseems the leaders of the Democratic Party should do something to help stop it yet they are silent on the matter.
 
minnie616 said:
Over 100 republican amendments were added to the ACA. It was not " our way or the highway".
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Can you post a link to those over 100 republican amendments.....just the ones that passed, please.
 
MTAtech said:
I don't like to use these words but you are just lying. Obamacare was debated for nine months and Republicans added over 150 amendments to it. The Democrats also didn't lock Republicans out of the process.

Let's step into the wayback machine and read an article from 2009: Politico: Obama makes quiet play for GOP aid
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148 of those amendments were technical amendments. I.e. Correctly spelling errors or other issues.
Only 2 amendments proposed by republicans were actually voted on.

Obama says health plan incorporates the ideas of Democrats and Republicans | PolitiFact

None of the other amendments were voted on.
 
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