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The Addicts Next Door

VanceMack said:
Most of the detox programs these days are going to day treatment protocols. The exception is (usually)where there are multiple substances involved and/or there is a suicide risk. But even with a successful chemical detox, the relapse rate is ridiculously high. i cant tell the number of families we have seen desperate to get their kids into an aftercare program that have been shattered when their kids are back to using within the week of release.

My opinion about the greatest problem with all substance abuse treatment programs is that they treat the addiction as the problem and not the symptom of a bigger problem.
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Yes. The article touches on that. Usually there is some underlying severe psychological issue, emotional pain actually, beneath that the addict was trying to numb with the drugs. And, apparently these strong opiates are very good a doing that. Too good.
 
Fenton Lum said:
Easy to blame individuals, no one wants to examine our exceptional society.
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I blame the drug company that started it by lying and saying Oxycontin was not addictive and then pushed it on everyone with massive marketing schemes and doctor outreach programs.
 
calamity said:
I blame the drug company that started it by lying and saying Oxycontin was not addictive and then pushed it on everyone with massive marketing schemes and doctor outreach programs.
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So then what sir is the point of having government regulators?

I think your argument has shall we say flaws..
 
Hawkeye10 said:
So then what sir is the point of having government regulators?

I think your argument has shall we say flaws..
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We had lots of things slide past gvt regulators that ended up being really bad for people. Cigs come immediately to mind. Few people don't blame the tobacco companies for the lung cancer problems of a few decades ago.
 
calamity said:
We had lots of things slide past gvt regulators that ended up being really bad for people. Cigs come immediately to mind. Few people don't blame the tobacco companies for the lung cancer problems of a few decades ago.
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I say 90/10....with the government taking the most.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I say 90/10....with the government taking the most.
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Who knows? That's why the sue each other in court.

My understanding is that getting stuff past government regulators is not that difficult. Lies, bribes, false documentation, more bribes and then voila! you can get one of the most addictive drugs ever out on the market and sell it as "safe."
 
calamity said:
Who knows? That's why the sue each other in court.

My understanding is that getting stuff past government regulators is not that difficult. Lies, bribes, false documentation, more bribes and then voila! you can get one of the most addictive drugs ever out on the market and sell it as "safe."
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And make no mistake, that is our fault...we all did this.

When do we own that truth.

Maybe never?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
And make no mistake, that is our fault...we all did this.

When do we own that truth.

Maybe never?
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Did what, empower corruption? Sure. We do it ever two years. That's why Congress has a 10% approval rating but yet 90% of the incumbents get reelected (not the exact numbers, but you get the drift).
 
calamity said:
Did what, empower corruption? Sure. We do it ever two years. That's why Congress has a 10% approval rating but yet 90% of the incumbents get reelected (not the exact numbers, but you get the drift).
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Well sure, you and me understand that, but I must ask you sir, where's everyone else?

Why so little doing anything about it?

Willingness even.

Like us.
 
calamity said:
Please show where I said one goddamned word about "conservatives."

Why are you ****ting on this thread by spewing a bunch of partisan crap?
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People here aren't stupid, we see the pure hatred that you spew out day after day and when you post your little passive/aggressive comments, it's not hard to figure out just who it is that you're referring to. But I'll play along just to show you for the hyper-partisan clod that you are:

Please explain this sentence form your post:
I primarily mean shedding the really bad idea that government should not be playing a part in providing a solution to social problems
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Who exactly is it that is the source of this idea that you think exists??

You won't answer honestly. You'll divert the discussion, try to rationalize the comment and explain it away, but the cold, hard truth it EXACTLY what I said it is. Now start denying, diverting and doing everything you possibly can to justify your comment....
 
faithful_servant said:
People here aren't stupid, we see the pure hatred that you spew out day after day and when you post your little passive/aggressive comments, it's not hard to figure out just who it is that you're referring to. But I'll play along just to show you for the hyper-partisan clod that you are:

Please explain this sentence form your post:

Who exactly is it that is the source of this idea that you think exists??

You won't answer honestly. You'll divert the discussion, try to rationalize the comment and explain it away, but the cold, hard truth it EXACTLY what I said it is. Now start denying, diverting and doing everything you possibly can to justify your comment....
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Focus.


calamity said:
Huge crisis in West Virginia (and elsewhere) explored in detail.

The Addicts Next Door | The New Yorker

It's a long, long piece. But, if you have the time, I definitely recommend giving it a read.

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My take: We need to be open to the idea that this will not fix itself and that those wrapped up in addiction will not pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. The lack of rehab facilities, money and detox drugs are the biggest hurdles, IMO.

Of course, doing something about it means, perhaps, many of us need to let go of some deep seated ideologies. In this case, I primarily mean shedding the really bad idea that government should not be playing a part in providing a solution to social problems.
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It seems you want to hold onto your deep seated ideology. And, that's fine. But, I must ask this. How do you propose fixing this addiction problem with those ideological beliefs?
 
calamity said:
Focus.




It seems you want to hold onto your deep seated ideology. And, that's fine. But, I must ask this. How do you propose fixing this addiction problem with those ideological beliefs?
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So you're going with diverting then. Got it. You won't answer my simple question because to do so would force you to admit that you did exactly what I said you did...
 
faithful_servant said:
So you're going with diverting then. Got it. You won't answer my simple question because to do so would force you to admit that you did exactly what I said you did...
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I did answer your question, when you quoted it.


I primarily mean shedding the really bad idea that government should not be playing a part in providing a solution to social problems.

So, tell me. What is your solution?
 
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