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Trump just sold us all out on drug pricing

Rogue Valley said:
All has been decided and the big pharma lobbyists won. Of course they won. None of us can directly lobby Trump, and lobbyist visits to the White House are now state secrets under Trump.

Congress? Trump stated he will issue an executive order giving big pharma all they asked for.
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I am hoping that this post is sarcasm with tongue firmly planted in cheek.
 
ibelsd said:
I am hoping that this post is sarcasm with tongue firmly planted in cheek.
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Seems like your reading skills are as poor as your humor. From the OP...

Rogue Valley said:
The New York Times reports that the Trump White House is about to put out an executive order on drug pricing, and it looks as if the whole thing were basically written by big pharma.
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Rogue Valley said:
Seems like your reading skills are as poor as your humor. From the OP...
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About to.... but we really don't know what such an executive order will read like do we?

"To be sure, people familiar with the matter said the administration's plans on drug pricing aren't finalized, and the president is eager to fulfill his campaign promises on the issue. He famously declared the drug industry was "getting away with murder" on its pricing about two weeks before his inauguration."
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/20/trump-drug-pricing-order-may-be-weeks-away.html

OMG!!!! Pharma folks contributed to the discussion, RUN FOR YOUR LIVES.... Or maybe stop hyperventilating over every report which claims to know some inside information. As we've seen over the last six months, these types of reports have been wrong more often than not.

Oh, and while he quoted some line from the NYT, he didn't link to the actual story, so yeah, maybe I didn't put much credence into it. By all means, go clutch your pearls and stay close to your fainting couch.
 
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Rogue Valley said:
Trump just sold us all out on drug pricing



By the time Trump and the GOP are finished, healthcare for the middle class and the poor in the US will resemble healthcare in Haiti. Under the GOP AHCA, anyone and everyone needing healthcare and ℞ will experience paroxysmal sticker-shock.


Additional: White House Task Force Echoes Pharma Proposals

So Much for Trump Going After Pharma
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I just picked up a prescription for someone. $16 for ten prescription aleve. That problem predates Trump.
 
ibelsd said:
About to.... but we really don't know what such an executive order will read like do we?

"To be sure, people familiar with the matter said the administration's plans on drug pricing aren't finalized, and the president is eager to fulfill his campaign promises on the issue. He famously declared the drug industry was "getting away with murder" on its pricing about two weeks before his inauguration."
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/20/trump-drug-pricing-order-may-be-weeks-away.html

OMG!!!! Pharma folks contributed to the discussion, RUN FOR YOUR LIVES.... Or maybe stop hyperventilating over every report which claims to know some inside information. As we've seen over the last six months, these types of reports have been wrong more often than not.

Oh, and while he quoted some line from the NYT, he didn't link to the actual story, so yeah, maybe I didn't put much credence into it. By all means, go clutch your pearls and stay close to your fainting couch.
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By all means keep your head buried in the Trump sandlot. Virtually every independent assayer agrees that the House/Senate AHCA only serves big med and the ultra-wealthy. Trumps EO will likewise serve big pharma.

Dollars to donuts you ignore facets of the CBO score of the Senate healthcare bill that don't jive with the Trump/Ryan/McConnell/Bannon gospel.
 
Absentglare said:
Okay, thanks for specifying. That doesn't change whether Republicans are responsible for this executive order which serves as government helping big pharma exploit customers for excessive profit, the topic of the OP.
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since no executive order has been issued you once again prove you don't know what you are talking about.
 
ludin said:
since no executive order has been issued you once again prove you don't know what you are talking about.
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I recognize your need to deflect from the failure of your argument to a technicality that you erroneously accuse me of violating.
 
Grand Mal said:
"A privately held startup, Turing sparked controversy earlier this year after news reports that it had raised the price of Daraprim (pyrimethamine), a 62-year-old drug used for protozoal infections, to $750 a tablet from $13.50 after acquiring it."

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...50-to-750-arrested-in-securities-fraud-probe/

It's not 'economic freedom', it's predatory price gouging. Real economic freedom, a level playing field with no protection, would bankrupt those vicious bastards
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Have you ever sat down with a professional, from the pharmaceutical industry, who's job it was to market drugs for the company he worked for?

I have.

It will give you a headache listening to them justify why the prices are so high.

They have their talking points down.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Trump just sold us all out on drug pricing



By the time Trump and the GOP are finished, healthcare for the middle class and the poor in the US will resemble healthcare in Haiti. Under the GOP AHCA, anyone and everyone needing healthcare and ℞ will experience paroxysmal sticker-shock.


Additional: White House Task Force Echoes Pharma Proposals

So Much for Trump Going After Pharma
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This is consistent with Trumps policy of putting corporations in charge of the Govt. so they can make changes that make them even more money. It is how Putin does things and Trump is nothing but a Putin wannabe. That's what he meant when he said he didn't want poor people making the decisions. His cabinet is chock full of foxes out to gut the henhouse.
 
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Absentglare said:
I recognize your need to deflect from the failure of your argument to a technicality that you erroneously accuse me of violating.
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then please show everyone here where that EO was signed because I can tell you it wasn't signed yet.
it was right there in the article. It isn't my fault you are not paying attention to the article or the information in the article.
 
ludin said:
then please show everyone here where that EO was signed because I can tell you it wasn't signed yet.
it was right there in the article. It isn't my fault you are not paying attention to the article or the information in the article.
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Please show everyone here how the triviality that they haven't signed it yet somehow magically absolves them of responsibility if they do.
 
MaggieD said:
Then there is no problem. If it's not protected, someone else will make it cheaper.
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Not if it has restricted distribution and other companies are prevented from purchasing it and submitting a generic NDA to the FDA.

The whole thing was exploiting a loophole. It has nothing to do with patents or crooked politicians.
 
Captain America said:
Have you ever sat down with a professional, from the pharmaceutical industry, who's job it was to market drugs for the company he worked for?

I have.

It will give you a headache listening to them justify why the prices are so high.

They have their talking points down.
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The very hot drug representatives with expense accounts don't come cheap. Also the drug company sponsored conventions (ie vacations) cost a lot of money. So do the politicians
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
The very hot drug representatives with expense accounts don't come cheap. Also the drug company sponsored conventions (ie vacations) cost a lot of money. So do the politicians
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I thought the same. The gifts. The travel. But that is small by comparison, according to the <cough-cough> pharma dude.

A couple things I remember from the conversation was that the costs for R&D and navigating the federal regulations to get the drug from idea to market is astronomical. And some of their investments never make it past the F.D.A. Then, IF, the drug hits the market, they only have 5 years to recoup their investments, cover their lost investments, and try to make a profit. Apparently, after 5 years the drug can be made generic and other companies can duplicate the same drug and profit off the back of the developing pharma company. They only have 5 years to make a profit. Also, since it costs so much to get the drugs to market, big pharma tends to focus on the top money making diseases while not giving due study for less common, often deadly, diseases.

Like I said. It will give you a headache.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
The very hot drug representatives with expense accounts don't come cheap. Also the drug company sponsored conventions (ie vacations) cost a lot of money. So do the politicians
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In the US, at least, this sort of stuff doesn't exist anymore.

There still are some hot reps, but they really can't buy anything for docs.

Of course, politicians made these rules and exempted themselves, so wining and dining politicians is par for the course.
 
Absentglare said:
Please show everyone here how the triviality that they haven't signed it yet somehow magically absolves them of responsibility if they do.
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Sorry but you were the one that made the argument. It is up to you to prove your argument correct.
You can't prove it correct because they haven't signed any EO.

it was that simple.
 
ludin said:
Sorry but you were the one that made the argument. It is up to you to prove your argument correct.
You can't prove it correct because they haven't signed any EO.

it was that simple.
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My argument is that republicans are responsible for the policies they draft. You seem unable to counter that argument.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Trump just sold us all out on drug pricing



By the time Trump and the GOP are finished, healthcare for the middle class and the poor in the US will resemble healthcare in Haiti. Under the GOP AHCA, anyone and everyone needing healthcare and ℞ will experience paroxysmal sticker-shock.


Additional: White House Task Force Echoes Pharma Proposals

So Much for Trump Going After Pharma
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Since big-pharma doesn't offer assistance programs for the drugs they manufacture...oh wait they do. And if its Govt mandated price controls your wanting, move to some Left wing Socialist hell hole, dont seek to impose the disastrous effects of Govt mandated price controls on everyone else
 
Absentglare said:
My argument is that republicans are responsible for the policies they draft. You seem unable to counter that argument.
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Nope you are now moving the goal posts. Please show where someone has signed the EO as you argued.
If you can't it is ok just admit it.
 
ludin said:
Nope you are now moving the goal posts. Please show where someone has signed the EO as you argued.
If you can't it is ok just admit it.
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That doesn't address my core criticism in any meaningful capacity.
 
Absentglare said:
That doesn't address my core criticism in any meaningful capacity.
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Thanks for proving that you can't support your argument. No EO was signed therefore all this is talk.
 
Remember this Trump statement?

Donald Trump - 11 January 2017 said:
“Drug companies are getting away with murder.”
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Another Trump lie...

After tough talk, Trump is poised to deliver for the drug industry

Why the change?

The pharmaceutical industry spent $78 million lobbying Washington in the first quarter, a 14% increase over the previous year. Obviously, big pharma recognized the Trump administration as fertile and friendly lobby ground. The Trump administration assisted in this with the Trump order that lobbyist visits to the White House are now secret. Same swamp. Same game by big money.
 
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