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Listening to Newt today on Hannity, even I have to admit, the guy had a good idea. Paraphrasing, he basically said: we should come together in Washington, have open meetings for the public to hear, working together to develop the best possible healthcare system which gives people the chance to live the longest possible lives at the lowest possible costs. He even added, "Maybe we should drop the idea of repealing Obamacare, but rather simply seek ways to fix it in a bipartisan effort."

If he doesn't flip on this, I think he has a good chance to sell this idea. Sean wasn't too happy about it though. So, the pressure will be on Newt to walk this back. I hope he has the stones to stick to his idea though. We need that kind of sensible thinking coming from a popular Republican voice.

Go Newt!!
 
If he truly supports covering the most Americans while keeping the costs low he should come out in favor of single payer.
 
calamity said:
Listening to Newt today on Hannity, even I have to admit, the guy had a good idea. Paraphrasing, he basically said: we should come together in Washington, have open meetings for the public to hear, working together to develop the best possible healthcare system which gives people the chance to live the longest possible lives at the lowest possible costs. He even added, "Maybe we should drop the idea of repealing Obamacare, but rather simply seek ways to fix it in a bipartisan effort."

If he doesn't flip on this, I think he has a good chance to sell this idea. Sean wasn't too happy about it though. So, the pressure will be on Newt to walk this back. I hope he has the stones to stick to his idea though. We need that kind of sensible thinking coming from a popular Republican voice.

Go Newt!!
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The best solution is to remove Washington DC from the equation.
 
MrPeanut said:
If he truly supports covering the most Americans while keeping the costs low he should come out in favor of single payer.
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Exactly what I have supported way back when Obama was promising real national healthcare...before it devolved into the ACA.
 
If Newt's serious, the answer is obvious enough: build on the ACA. The infrastructure its laid should be (and frankly has to be) the foundation of any future changes to health policy.
 
calamity said:
Listening to Newt today on Hannity, even I have to admit, the guy had a good idea. Paraphrasing, he basically said: we should come together in Washington, have open meetings for the public to hear, working together to develop the best possible healthcare system which gives people the chance to live the longest possible lives at the lowest possible costs. He even added, "Maybe we should drop the idea of repealing Obamacare, but rather simply seek ways to fix it in a bipartisan effort."

If he doesn't flip on this, I think he has a good chance to sell this idea. Sean wasn't too happy about it though. So, the pressure will be on Newt to walk this back. I hope he has the stones to stick to his idea though. We need that kind of sensible thinking coming from a popular Republican voice.

Go Newt!!
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You really think that the Democrats would play along? :lamo

No, I get the impression that the Democrats are going to stand on a single payer system whether it be the UK model or the Canadian model, and that doesn't fly with a good 3/4 or more of the GOP.

Renae said:
The best solution is to remove Washington DC from the equation.
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Block grants anyone? Yeah, that was in there, wasn't it?

Well, as a consolation prize, we all get watch ObamaCare completely blow up and disintegrate before our very eyes, and we get to blame the Democrats for it. They 100% own it.

Who had the brilliant idea to delay / defer the majority of the expenses and costs until 2017? That just appears like yet another Obama and Democrat trap set for the follow on president, or a ploy to addict the electorate to yet another entitlement, free government paid health insurance, in order to force single payer down the nation's throats, total government control of the electorate's health and healthcare, which is what the EU loving and EU chasing Democrats wanted in the first place. :2mad:
More and more government control smothering the electorate's freedom.

That which is most abused is that which you are not responsible for paying. Money sink hole, for everyone else to try and fill.
Just have to look at the billions and billions of medicare, welfare and food stamp fraud to see it in action.
 
calamity said:
Listening to Newt today on Hannity, even I have to admit, the guy had a good idea. Paraphrasing, he basically said: we should come together in Washington, have open meetings for the public to hear, working together to develop the best possible healthcare system which gives people the chance to live the longest possible lives at the lowest possible costs. He even added, "Maybe we should drop the idea of repealing Obamacare, but rather simply seek ways to fix it in a bipartisan effort."

If he doesn't flip on this, I think he has a good chance to sell this idea. Sean wasn't too happy about it though. So, the pressure will be on Newt to walk this back. I hope he has the stones to stick to his idea though. We need that kind of sensible thinking coming from a popular Republican voice.

Go Newt!!
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Of course Hannity wasn't happy about it. The Con Media has made billions spewing their hate, including hate directed at ACA. They'll just keep on spewing and blaming the Dems. it's worked for 7 years, why change now. Sad thing is the lemmings who listen to the Con media will believe them.

Hannity and the rest are MILLIONAIRES. Why would he, or Limbaugh, or any or them give a damn about HC and HI costs? Doesn't affect them in the least.

Anyway what Newt said doesn't surprise me. IIRC in the 90's the GOP, and Newt had a very similar plan to ACA in the works. That's why all this hatred the GOP has directed at ACA over the past 7 years was both so funny, and sad.
 
Renae said:
The best solution is to remove Washington DC from the equation.
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I'll have to think about that. I'm usually not in favor of federal solutions to all our problems, but this aging population thing is a national disaster in the making. So, it probably does need a national solution.
 
eohrnberger said:
You really think that the Democrats would play along? :lamo

No, I get the impression that the Democrats are going to stand on a single payer system whether it be the UK model or the Canadian model, and that doesn't fly with a good 3/4 or more of the GOP.



Block grants anyone? Yeah, that was in there, wasn't it?

Well, as a consolation prize, we all get watch ObamaCare completely blow up and disintegrate before our very eyes, and we get to blame the Democrats for it. They 100% own it.

Who had the brilliant idea to delay / defer the majority of the expenses and costs until 2017? That just appears like yet another Obama and Democrat trap set for the follow on president, or a ploy to addict the electorate to yet another entitlement, free government paid health insurance, in order to force single payer down the nation's throats, total government control of the electorate's health and healthcare, which is what the EU loving and EU chasing Democrats wanted in the first place. :2mad:
More and more government control smothering the electorate's freedom.

That which is most abused is that which you are not responsible for paying. Money sink hole, for everyone else to try and fill.
Just have to look at the billions and billions of medicare, welfare and food stamp fraud to see it in action.
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Bravo! You parroted Trump's words from earlier today almost to a Tee. Good job.
 
Greenbeard said:
If Newt's serious, the answer is obvious enough: build on the ACA. The infrastructure its laid should be (and frankly has to be) the foundation of any future changes to health policy.
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This is obviously the most reasonable approach. But, it would require both parties to put on their big boy pants. The GOP would have to admit that ACA is a good foundation. And the D would have to risk handing the GOP, most notably Trump, a success story.

Translation: Fat chance.
 
calamity said:
I'll have to think about that. I'm usually not in favor of federal solutions to all our problems, but this aging population thing is a national disaster in the making. So, it probably does need a national solution.
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The problem is, once it hits DC it becomes POLITICAL not about solutions but about political gain.
 
calamity said:
Bravo! You parroted Trump's words from earlier today almost to a Tee. Good job.
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Which Trump's words? I didn't hear the news coverage.

Must suck for you when it's true.
 
calamity said:
This is obviously the most reasonable approach. But, it would require both parties to put on their big boy pants. The GOP would have to admit that ACA is a good foundation. And the D would have to risk handing the GOP, most notably Trump, a success story.

Translation: Fat chance.
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"ACA is a good foundation" ? How do you figure that when it is clearly failing? So you build houses on sand bars? Really?
 
eohrnberger said:
"ACA is a good foundation" ? How do you figure that when it is clearly failing? So you build houses on sand bars? Really?
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"Clearly failing" is a talking point, not a reality. The only thing more bizarre than the right's project to prove to itself that markets don't work is their glee in falsely believing they've done so.

These are interesting times.
 
calamity said:
Listening to Newt today on Hannity, even I have to admit, the guy had a good idea. Paraphrasing, he basically said: we should come together in Washington, have open meetings for the public to hear, working together to develop the best possible healthcare system which gives people the chance to live the longest possible lives at the lowest possible costs. He even added, "Maybe we should drop the idea of repealing Obamacare, but rather simply seek ways to fix it in a bipartisan effort."

If he doesn't flip on this, I think he has a good chance to sell this idea. Sean wasn't too happy about it though. So, the pressure will be on Newt to walk this back. I hope he has the stones to stick to his idea though. We need that kind of sensible thinking coming from a popular Republican voice.

Go Newt!!
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Waste of time. When is the last time people in DC agreed on anything? Hell, most of them probably struggle to agree what day of the week it is! Then when you open it up to public scrutiny, can you even imagine the Twitter war it would create?

You have a large number of Americans with utter disdain for free markets. Those people will oppose pretty much anything that isn't run by the federal government. You have others with equally strong opinions about government run health care. Perfectly valid arguments can be made for either system but you'll NEVER get agreement on one system. Furthermore, should a compromise idea be put in place each side will IMMEDIATELY begin working to sway the rules to favor their preferred system.
 
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eohrnberger said:
Which Trump's words? I didn't hear the news coverage.

Must suck for you when it's true.
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The words you used were far too close to exactly what he said for them to be coincidental.
 
Lutherf said:
Waste of time. When is the last time people in DC agreed on anything? Hell, most of them probably struggle to agree what day of the week it is! Them when you open it up to public scrutiny, can you even imagine the Twitter war it would create?

You have a large number of Americans with utter disdain for free markets. Those people will oppose pretty much anything that isn't run by the federal government. You have others with equally strong opinions about government run health care. Perfectly valid arguments can be made for either system but you'll NEVER get agreement on one system. Furthermore, should a compromise idea be put in place each side will IMMEDIATELY begin working to sway the rules to favor their preferred system.
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Well, that's why it takes compromise to work through these things and not stubborn adherence to ideology. But, yeah. I agree--fat chance.
 
eohrnberger said:
"ACA is a good foundation" ? How do you figure that when it is clearly failing? So you build houses on sand bars? Really?
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A cash pool where everyone is covered, with the healthy people subsidizing the sick is exactly how insurance works. ACA had a good start on creating that on a national level.

What creates problems is when a currently healthy person, subsidizing the sick, fails to understand that at any given moment they themselves can become one of the unhealthy ones benefiting from that pool. In fact, odds are 100% that they will be in exactly that position at some time in their life. So, in a way, it's a lie to say you are healthy and therefore do not need to belong to the insurance pool.
 
Renae said:
The problem is, once it hits DC it becomes POLITICAL not about solutions but about political gain.
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We need to change that. Partisan politics is ruining this country...and worse, it's the reason why we cannot have nice things.
 
calamity said:
The words you used were far too close to exactly what he said for them to be coincidental.
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I have very little control of your reading in things that aren't there.
 
eohrnberger said:
I have very little control of your reading in things that aren't there.
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Just own up to the fact that you are repeating what Trump said. Should be easy enough.
 
calamity said:
We need to change that. Partisan politics is ruining this country...and worse, it's the reason why we cannot have nice things.
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The well is very poisoned, I don't see a way out that's not very painful.
 
calamity said:
Just own up to the fact that you are repeating what Trump said. Should be easy enough.
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Nope. My words are my own. Deal with it. Or not. Your opinion really matter not to me.
 
Renae said:
The well is very poisoned, I don't see a way out that's not very painful.
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It's a lot less painful than what happened today. The GOP and trump lost by time for not working with the Dems on this. Vice versus the Dems lost big in the past for not working with the GOP.
 
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