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Many on the left point to the Canadian Health Care System, saying that we should emulate it. Well, today, here in my residential state of Kentucky, New Jersey US Senator, Cory Booker, mailed me a pamphlet urging me to fight against health care legislation coming up in the Senate in the coming weeks that could increase the risk of fake drugs entering the nation's drug supply after being imported through Canada. He wants to protect families and our nation's prescription drug supply because some of these Canadian drugs have been found to contain poisonous, deadly substances including drywall, road paint, and anti-freeze. I guess he wants us to pay the extremely high cost of US drugs instead of letting the Republicans pass legislation allowing Americans to purchase prescriptions from Canada. How low can these guys go?
 
This sounds like pure propaganda at its finest but don't act like both parties are not guilty of it.
 
Moderate Right said:
Many on the left point to the Canadian Health Care System, saying that we should emulate it. Well, today, here in my residential state of Kentucky, New Jersey US Senator, Cory Booker, mailed me a pamphlet urging me to fight against health care legislation coming up in the Senate in the coming weeks that could increase the risk of fake drugs entering the nation's drug supply after being imported through Canada. He wants to protect families and our nation's prescription drug supply because some of these Canadian drugs have been found to contain poisonous, deadly substances including drywall, road paint, and anti-freeze. I guess he wants us to pay the extremely high cost of US drugs instead of letting the Republicans pass legislation allowing Americans to purchase prescriptions from Canada. How low can these guys go?
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LOL. Actually, the bill is a Democratic backed one, fought by republicans and Cory Booker, who has a huge number of constituents who work for Pharma.

Nice try though.

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/12...asure-to-import-cheaper-medicine-from-canada/

Guess you'll be against the measure now. Party over country and all that...
 
Are Democrats the ones trying to block it now? In the past Republicans were as well. This particular issue seems to be less about party and more about who gets money from big pharma. Regardless, we should be free to buy drugs from Canada.
 
Moderate Right said:
Many on the left point to the Canadian Health Care System, saying that we should emulate it. Well, today, here in my residential state of Kentucky, New Jersey US Senator, Cory Booker, mailed me a pamphlet urging me to fight against health care legislation coming up in the Senate in the coming weeks that could increase the risk of fake drugs entering the nation's drug supply after being imported through Canada. He wants to protect families and our nation's prescription drug supply because some of these Canadian drugs have been found to contain poisonous, deadly substances including drywall, road paint, and anti-freeze. I guess he wants us to pay the extremely high cost of US drugs instead of letting the Republicans pass legislation allowing Americans to purchase prescriptions from Canada. How low can these guys go?
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1.) Allowing for the importation of Canadian drugs is not a Republican plan, it's Bernie Sanders' plan. You know it's not a Republican plan because they all, with only a tiny number of exceptions, voted it down just two months ago. You're deluding yourself if you think Republican politicians support this plan. Republican voters support this plan, because over 70% of Americans support this plan, but the politicians they choose to vote for typically vote against these bills.

2.) Are you sure the pamphlet is recent? I thought Cory Booker changed his tune on this after he was publicly shamed by Berniecrats? He doesn't really have shame, so there's a chance that he's doing this, but I'd actually like to see you post proof of that online. I know there's a lot of people who'd be pissed.

3.) Yeah, Cory Booker is a total piece of ****. Booker (along with Joe Manchin, another major asshole) voted against Bernie's Canadian import amendment. I really can't stand Cory Booker.
 
Moderate Right said:
Many on the left point to the Canadian Health Care System, saying that we should emulate it. Well, today, here in my residential state of Kentucky, New Jersey US Senator, Cory Booker, mailed me a pamphlet urging me to fight against health care legislation coming up in the Senate in the coming weeks that could increase the risk of fake drugs entering the nation's drug supply after being imported through Canada. He wants to protect families and our nation's prescription drug supply because some of these Canadian drugs have been found to contain poisonous, deadly substances including drywall, road paint, and anti-freeze. I guess he wants us to pay the extremely high cost of US drugs instead of letting the Republicans pass legislation allowing Americans to purchase prescriptions from Canada. How low can these guys go?
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I'll take "Politicians that are bought by Big Pharma" Alex for 2000 please".
 
FieldTheorist said:
1.) Allowing for the importation of Canadian drugs is not a Republican plan, it's Bernie Sanders' plan. You know it's not a Republican plan because they all, with only a tiny number of exceptions, voted it down just two months ago. You're deluding yourself if you think Republican politicians support this plan. Republican voters support this plan, because over 70% of Americans support this plan, but the politicians they choose to vote for typically vote against these bills.

2.) Are you sure the pamphlet is recent? I thought Cory Booker changed his tune on this after he was publicly shamed by Berniecrats? He doesn't really have shame, so there's a chance that he's doing this, but I'd actually like to see you post proof of that online. I know there's a lot of people who'd be pissed.

3.) Yeah, Cory Booker is a total piece of ****. Booker (along with Joe Manchin, another major asshole) voted against Bernie's Canadian import amendment. I really can't stand Cory Booker.
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I like Booker.

He voted against it because it would hurt his constituents. A huge amount of NJ residents are pharma employees.

I think importation is a bad idea. It won't change pricing, except for dramatically increasing Canadian prices.
 
FieldTheorist said:
1.) Allowing for the importation of Canadian drugs is not a Republican plan, it's Bernie Sanders' plan. You know it's not a Republican plan because they all, with only a tiny number of exceptions, voted it down just two months ago. You're deluding yourself if you think Republican politicians support this plan. Republican voters support this plan, because over 70% of Americans support this plan, but the politicians they choose to vote for typically vote against these bills.

2.) Are you sure the pamphlet is recent? I thought Cory Booker changed his tune on this after he was publicly shamed by Berniecrats? He doesn't really have shame, so there's a chance that he's doing this, but I'd actually like to see you post proof of that online. I know there's a lot of people who'd be pissed.

3.) Yeah, Cory Booker is a total piece of ****. Booker (along with Joe Manchin, another major asshole) voted against Bernie's Canadian import amendment. I really can't stand Cory Booker.
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Just got it in the mail yesterday.
 
Moderate Right said:
Just got it in the mail yesterday.
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So you're going to say now that Republicans are assholes for not letting americans buy low cost and affordable prescriptions from canada? Or is that only the case when it's a democrat?
 
FieldTheorist said:
1.) Allowing for the importation of Canadian drugs is not a Republican plan, it's Bernie Sanders' plan. You know it's not a Republican plan because they all, with only a tiny number of exceptions, voted it down just two months ago. You're deluding yourself if you think Republican politicians support this plan. Republican voters support this plan, because over 70% of Americans support this plan, but the politicians they choose to vote for typically vote against these bills.

2.) Are you sure the pamphlet is recent? I thought Cory Booker changed his tune on this after he was publicly shamed by Berniecrats? He doesn't really have shame, so there's a chance that he's doing this, but I'd actually like to see you post proof of that online. I know there's a lot of people who'd be pissed.

3.) Yeah, Cory Booker is a total piece of ****. Booker (along with Joe Manchin, another major asshole) voted against Bernie's Canadian import amendment. I really can't stand Cory Booker.
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While he may back out of it, this is one of the programs that both Trump and Bernie supported. It was one of the Trump policies I liked and fits his "America first" theme since all of those other countries are practically screwing us with higher costs.

If it were something the entire Democrat party was behind, they would have snuck it into the ACA.
 
Nap said:
While he may back out of it, this is one of the programs that both Trump and Bernie supported. It was one of the Trump policies I liked and fits his "America first" theme since all of those other countries are practically screwing us with higher costs.

If it were something the entire Democrat party was behind, they would have snuck it into the ACA.
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It doesn't matter what Trump wants, it matters what congress wants. The majority of the people who voted for Trump also voted for the Republican congress. The Republican congress almost unilaterally voted this amendment down. Again, it's not a secret how people voted. ~10 Republicans voted for it, ~10 Democrats voted against it. That means 40 some Democrats voted for it, and 40 some Republicans voted against it. That means the majority of Republicans voted against it, and the Republican voters literally voted against their own interests (indeed, they seem incapable of stopping themselves from doing otherwise).
 
FieldTheorist said:
It doesn't matter what Trump wants, it matters what congress wants. The majority of the people who voted for Trump also voted for the Republican congress. The Republican congress almost unilaterally voted this amendment down. Again, it's not a secret how people voted. ~10 Republicans voted for it, ~10 Democrats voted against it. That means 40 some Democrats voted for it, and 40 some Republicans voted against it. That means the majority of Republicans voted against it, and the Republican voters literally voted against their own interests (indeed, they seem incapable of stopping themselves from doing otherwise).
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I never said that the majority of Republicans were for it, and it does matter if Trump wants it. If it is as you said that around 40 Democrats want it and around 10 Republicans are for it then that means Trump only needs to apply some pressure to a handful of Republicans to get the votes for it. The key question is will Democrats put aside their differences with Trump to work with him on getting it pushed through.
 
Threegoofs said:
I think importation is a bad idea. It won't change pricing, except for dramatically increasing Canadian prices.
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That seems correct to me. I don't see how savings from importation of drugs from Canada could exceed Canadian spending on drugs. Meaning that the maximum possible theoretical savings would be 7-9% of American drug spending. But before you'd get anywhere near to that the effect in practice would be to, as you note, drive up prices for Canadians. So you'd get somewhere south of those savings (3-4%? who knows).
 
Greenbeard said:
That seems correct to me. I don't see how savings from importation of drugs from Canada could exceed Canadian spending on drugs. Meaning that the maximum possible theoretical savings would be 7-9% of American drug spending. But before you'd get anywhere near to that the effect in practice would be to, as you note, drive up prices for Canadians. So you'd get somewhere south of those savings (3-4%? who knows).
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And, of course, drug spending is responsible for about 10% of medical spending.

It's the spending that everyone sees, however, so it's a major target.
 
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