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Vaccine Underreporting

Tell that to the literally billions of people who didn't die of smallpox.
Did I say I was anti vaccine? They do have issues and if your kid ended up severely retarded I bet you would be a bit less of a smart ass. Wise up.

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Did I say I was anti vaccine? They do have issues and if your kid ended up severely retarded I bet you would be a bit less of a smart ass. Wise up.

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Please. You went with the emotional heartstrings nonsense WHAT IF IT WERE YOUR KID HUH? Don't get all pissy when someone flips it back on you.
 
Eating food is not 100% safe. Walking down the street is not 100% safe. Taking a shower is not 100% safe. "Some measure of caution" is a meaningless phrase because it applies to literally anything that any human being does ever.

You've yet to identify the type and quantity of the neurotoxin. There's a good reason you're avoiding this question. Funny that people talk about brainwashing...

I didn't answer because I don't care about the specific amounts. We know for a fact that vaccines cause damage. The inserts for the vaccines themselves admit to that potential. The most likely contributor that creates the side effects listed on the insert are probably the KNOWN neurotoxins the vaccines contain.

Do I know for a fact that it's those chemicals? No, of course not... and neither do you.
 
I didn't answer because I don't care about the specific amounts. We know for a fact that vaccines cause damage. The inserts for the vaccines themselves admit to that potential. The most likely contributor that creates the side effects listed on the insert are probably the KNOWN neurotoxins the vaccines contain.

Do I know for a fact that it's those chemicals? No, of course not... and neither do you.

Got the stats then?
 
Nope. I don't. Please provide and educate me.

You're the one making the claim, right? So let's see the proof. How dangerous are vaccines? We do know there are reactions, and sometimes they can be severe, but how many severe reactions are there? How much permanent damage vs. no permanent damage? How much permanent damage vs. lives saved by eradicating these diseases? Got the stats, or did you just read something on Facebook and now are trying to spout off about the dangers of vaccination?

How about if you want to make these claims, go do some research and educate yourself? Is it the responsibility of everyone else to correct your ignorance? Or should that be a personal daily affirmation?
 
You're the one making the claim, right? So let's see the proof. How dangerous are vaccines? We do know there are reactions, and sometimes they can be severe, but how many severe reactions are there? How much permanent damage vs. no permanent damage? How much permanent damage vs. lives saved by eradicating these diseases? Got the stats, or did you just read something on Facebook and now are trying to spout off about the dangers of vaccination?

How about if you want to make these claims, go do some research and educate yourself? Is it the responsibility of everyone else to correct your ignorance? Or should that be a personal daily affirmation?

It's not a claim. The vaccine inserts support everything I've stated.

Are you saying the inserts are wrong?
 
It's not a claim. The vaccine inserts support everything I've stated.

Are you saying the inserts are wrong?

Everyone knows there can be reactions. Do these inserts say the vaccine is "dangerous"? Or does it list possible reactions and precautions? Do you have the stats to back up this dangerous claim of yours? Aggregately how does this work out?
 
Everyone knows there can be reactions. Do these inserts say the vaccine is "dangerous"? Or does it list possible reactions and precautions? Do you have the stats to back up this dangerous claim of yours? Aggregately how does this work out?

You're arguing a nonsensical point. Every warning is in fact a danger that the user needs to be cognizant of. You're basically arguing against the warning of the vaccine insert, attempting to discount them.

If you want to invalidate the insert, prove it.

Personally, I believe vaccines work to a certain degree. But, it is necessary for each parent to weigh the risk and dangers of the vaccine against the dangers of the diseases they are meant to prevent. Some vaccines make sense, others are dumb and shouldn't be on the schedule at all imo.
 
You're arguing a nonsensical point. Every warning is in fact a danger that the user needs to be cognizant of. You're basically arguing against the warning of the vaccine insert, attempting to discount them.

If you want to invalidate the insert, prove it.

Personally, I believe vaccines work to a certain degree. But, it is necessary for each parent to weigh the risk and dangers of the vaccine against the dangers of the diseases they are meant to prevent. Some vaccines make sense, others are dumb and shouldn't be on the schedule at all imo.

Got the stats then?

Argument by Vaccine Package Inserts ? debunking myths

But the fact is that vaccines save lives, and until such time the vaccine deniers can actually spend the time in getting their Ph.D. or MD, then do research in a world-class laboratory and then publish data that shows either the adverse events are all real and are much higher than stated in the PI, and shows that vaccines have no benefit, the antivaccine cult just has no basis for their claims. They are misinforming and misusing information to support their beliefs, rather than using real science and determine whether all of the evidence supports or nullifies their hypothesis.

Getting real evidence takes real hard work. It takes education, time, sweat, sleeping in labs, sitting at a computer, writing documents, getting yelled at by superiors and peers. It’s hitting dead ends, then finding a way around that dead end. One cannot just pull a package insert out of a box and say “here, I win.” If only it were that easy.

Package inserts have excellent and useful information, important for physicians and other healthcare workers in treating patients. However, package inserts must be read fully, without cherry picking data that supports your point of view.

Taking information out of context, or cherry picking one or two lines, without spending the effort to understand it completely, just shows the level of denialism. The anti-vaccinationists are focused on finding any data, no matter the quality, that supports what they want to believe.

But if you are truly on the fence about vaccinations, then the adverse events information in a package insert is not the place to start. There is so much information out there, but if you have an open, critical mind, you will find that the scientific consensus strongly supports the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.

One young woman did just that, despite initially being antivaccine. Her open mind lead her to eventually vaccinate her two children. Good for her.

Vaccines save lives, and we have evidence that supports it. And package inserts do not dispute those facts.

Sums it up accurately.

let me know when you have the statistics to back your point.
 
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Got the stats then?

Argument by Vaccine Package Inserts ? debunking myths

Sums it up accurately.

let me know when you have the statistics to back your point.

What the heck are you asking for? Proof that the inserts are correct? YOU'RE saying the inserts are incorrect. PROVE YOUR POINT. I don't need to prove a point that the vaccine manufacturers have already agreed is a possibility.

As for your opinion piece... worthless.

Here, for sh*ts and giggles I'll post a factual article for your enjoyment.

Vaccine Court Awards Millions to Two Children With Autism | The Huffington Post
 
What the heck are you asking for? Proof that the inserts are correct? YOU'RE saying the inserts are incorrect. PROVE YOUR POINT. I don't need to prove a point that the vaccine manufacturers have already agreed is a possibility.

As for your opinion piece... worthless.

Here, for sh*ts and giggles I'll post a factual article for your enjoyment.

Vaccine Court Awards Millions to Two Children With Autism | The Huffington Post

Courts award a lot of things for a lot of reasons, one case from 4 years ago doesn't go to prove any quantifiable risk. There is absolutely no proof that vaccinations are correlated to autism.

What I'm asking for is proof of your claim. The inserts do not say that a vaccine is dangerous. It gives precautions and possible side effects, some of which are for litigation purposes. The statistics bear out the proof. What are the actual risks? You want to say people nee to weight them, well what are they?

This is the problem with anti-vaxxers, push comes to shove, they have no proof.
 
You're arguing a nonsensical point. Every warning is in fact a danger that the user needs to be cognizant of. You're basically arguing against the warning of the vaccine insert, attempting to discount them.

If you want to invalidate the insert, prove it.

Personally, I believe vaccines work to a certain degree. But, it is necessary for each parent to weigh the risk and dangers of the vaccine against the dangers of the diseases they are meant to prevent. Some vaccines make sense, others are dumb and shouldn't be on the schedule at all imo.

How can someone possibly weigh a risk when they don't know what the rate of side effects are?

How can you pretend to do any such thing?
 
I didn't answer because I don't care about the specific amounts. We know for a fact that vaccines cause damage. The inserts for the vaccines themselves admit to that potential. The most likely contributor that creates the side effects listed on the insert are probably the KNOWN neurotoxins the vaccines contain.

Do I know for a fact that it's those chemicals? No, of course not... and neither do you.

Dosage makes the poison, my friend. Literally anything is toxic in a sufficient quantity. People have died from drinking too much water.

As for not caring about how much, you can't even list the types.

You don't care about the facts, or the data. That's why you're unfamiliar with these "known neurotoxins" in both type and quantity.
 
You're arguing a nonsensical point. Every warning is in fact a danger that the user needs to be cognizant of. You're basically arguing against the warning of the vaccine insert, attempting to discount them.

If you want to invalidate the insert, prove it.

Personally, I believe vaccines work to a certain degree. But, it is necessary for each parent to weigh the risk and dangers of the vaccine against the dangers of the diseases they are meant to prevent. Some vaccines make sense, others are dumb and shouldn't be on the schedule at all imo.


I would much rather pay attention to the scientists and the doctors and the researchers then some fly-by-nighter
 
What the heck are you asking for? Proof that the inserts are correct? YOU'RE saying the inserts are incorrect. PROVE YOUR POINT. I don't need to prove a point that the vaccine manufacturers have already agreed is a possibility.

As for your opinion piece... worthless.

Here, for sh*ts and giggles I'll post a factual article for your enjoyment.

Vaccine Court Awards Millions to Two Children With Autism | The Huffington Post


You are living in the past there are so many studies that show that autism has no relationship to vax that you're just plain living in the past
 
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