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1 in 4 men have genital HPV infections that cause or are linked to cancer

1. Science 101: The plural of anecdotal is not data.

This is the internet age. Anecdotal reporting is accurate and easily accessible in an aggregate way, and it's important to do so at this point in history when there is financial and political bias in drug companies. I strongly recommend you watch the documentary I posted. I know you won't, but you should. It's not just lay people weighing in but medical professionals as well.

If you only take drugs based on what data says while not considering other people's experience reports, then I feel sorry for you. Whenever a new drug is suggested to me I read the research and also search the internet for what people said the drug did to them. I don't know why anyone in this day and age wouldn't do that and would choose to blindly follow research alone when there is such an abundance of alternative points of view available. I am doubly vigilant when it comes to my children.

2. We don't know definitively what causes many autoimmune disorders, but everything we do know points to a genetic origin, not vaccines.

That's simply not true. I have an auto-immune disease and with my particular disease, the rates in North America have increased 300% in the past 12 years alone. By 2025 auto-immune will be an epidemic in the United States. Genetics is the smoke and mirror approach to stringing people along with corporately funded research. Environment (including pharmaceuticals) and food systems are the #1 suspect, in actual fact. Less than 1% of people with auto-immune disease have known genetic markers upon testing, across the board: whether it's MS, IBD, CFS, etc. They usually have a parent or grandparent with the same condition.

3. Big pharma doesn't make a lot of money on vaccines.

What? The U.S. government spends huge amounts of money on the flu vaccine yearly, and it has a negligible impact on stopping the flu. It spent billions of dollars on the tamiflu vaccine, for example, following the H1N1 scare. That's government money that went right into private hands. Not only did the vaccine not stop the epidemic, people suffered adverse effects from it.

Vaccines are hugely profitable, so much so that the clinical trial periods are getting shorter and shorter. The ADR reporting is also getting more and more scarce. There is an obvious move to shorten the turnaround time between the creation of drugs and sending them to market, along with suppression of reporting systems so that drugs appear safer than they actually are. If you look at the historical clinical research periods for the classical vaccines, they took upwards of a decade before they hit the market. Now the turnaround time is 6 months to 1 year in the United States.

4. The reason why vaccines are held in such high regard is that most of the improvements in lifespans in the last century are due to vaccinations and antibiotics.

As I said previously, some vaccines are tried, tested and true. That doesn't mean all vaccines are good. You can't just lump all vaccines into one category. Each one has a different methodology, different testing procedures, and different historical research. The newer vaccines like Guardasil have the least amount of research backing them. Guardasil had no longevity studies whatsoever when it went to market, which is insane. It's the first HPV vaccine ever and the biggest longitudinal study done on it was 6 months post-vaccination. They are rushed through clinical trials that are conducted by the companies who make them rather than independent review (which used to be the case), and agencies like the FDA have clear conflicts of interest based on some of those companies having members on the board.

As for antibiotics, they were good in the short term, but may prove hazardous to humanity. Now we have virulent pathogens that gradually can't be treated by modern medicine. A woman in my community died from MRSA three weeks ago because her catheter got infected with it at the hospital. Dying of staph, in the year 2017. Unbelievable.

The #1 problem with medical research in the United States and Europe right now is that it's now all corporate. So pardon me if I don't swallow studies whole, "because science".
 
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The fact is people need to just stop sleeping around with random people without protection.
then you don't have to worry about STD's.

it is amazing concept I know maybe I am just old school.
before engaging in risky behavior maybe people should get tested and get to know their partner better.

according to the CDC the hookup generation is spreading more STD's at a quicker rate than ever before.
 
Pharmaceutical companies make very little off of most vaccines. Even a new one still under patent like Gardasil lists for 525, and you can bet that it will be around half that with when you get the EOB. So would a pharmaceutical company rather sell you a cheap vaccine, or 30k or more a month in cancer drugs?

The routine vaccinations that the CDC recommend children get are literally among the safest drugs on earth.

As to the old smallpox vaccine.

1. It has not been in general use in decades.

2. It resulted in the eradication of smallpox. One of the most deadly diseases in human history.


nice diversion.. Sorry sir it doesn't work. Bottom line.. there are risks with vaccines.. sometimes dire risks.. there are risks with medications sometimes dire. Sometimes this is only found out much later after being approved with clinical trials.

So simply assuming that "vaccines are safe" is a dangerous premise.

However.. I will answer your question.

So would a pharmaceutical company rather sell you a cheap vaccine, or 30k or more a month in cancer drugs?

Well that's easy.. a cheap vaccine.

Currently there are 74 million minors in America. so if every minor was mandated to have the HPV vaccine. That's 259 million dollars that year. and then every year going forward more vaccinations.

NOW lets say a cancer drug at 30k a month. taken for say a month a year.. since its given in cycles.

Lets say for 4000 patients.. which would likely be high. that's 120 million.

BUT the reality is that pharma corporation WOULD RATHER SELL BOTH. Its not an "either or" situation.
 
The fact is people need to just stop sleeping around with random people without protection.
then you don't have to worry about STD's.

it is amazing concept I know maybe I am just old school.
before engaging in risky behavior maybe people should get tested and get to know their partner better.

according to the CDC the hookup generation is spreading more STD's at a quicker rate than ever before.

Just to point out...The odds are either you or your wife have HPV or have had hpv. It affects about 70-78% of the population depending on the study. its so prevalent that just about all sexual active people will have it some time in their lives.
 
Scaremongering antivaxxer nonsense. Name them.

well we can start with the small pox vaccine.
and then medications:
Accutane:
Baycol
Bextra
Cylert
Darvocet and Darvon
Phenformin
Diethylstibestrol)
Duract
Levamisole
Hismanal
Lotronex
Meridia
Merital
Micturin
Permax
Metrazol
Raptiva
Raxar
Redux
Rezulin
Selacryn
Vioxx

and that's just a short list of drugs that were FDA approved and then pulled for safety concerns.. sometimes as long as decades later.
 
I don't take it from you. The experts of WHICH I AM ONE.. understand that VACCINES ARE NOT INHERENTLY SAFE.

Just because its a vaccine does not mean that its safe. THERE IS NO MEDICAL DATA THAT PROVES THAT FUTURE VACCINES DEVELOPED ARE INHERENTLY SAFE.

Past research has found that some vaccines have been found to be unsafe. The smallpox vaccine is one of the deadliest.. that's why we discontinued making it mandatory.

Why are you trying to change the subject to a hypothetical future vaccine instead of the actual vaccine for HPV that exists now?
 
The fact is people need to just stop sleeping around with random people without protection.
then you don't have to worry about STD's.

it is amazing concept I know maybe I am just old school.
before engaging in risky behavior maybe people should get tested and get to know their partner better.

according to the CDC the hookup generation is spreading more STD's at a quicker rate than ever before.

And if people just stopped driving there wouldn't be car accidents.
 
Just to point out...The odds are either you or your wife have HPV or have had hpv. It affects about 70-78% of the population depending on the study. its so prevalent that just about all sexual active people will have it some time in their lives.

actually no we don't but thanks for your assumptions that are pretty much meaningless.
 
And if people just stopped driving there wouldn't be car accidents.

still don't have an argument do you? go figure on that one.
 
Why are you trying to change the subject to a hypothetical future vaccine instead of the actual vaccine for HPV that exists now?

Because when the HPV vaccine came out.. pharma and politicians (for example Rick Perry) tried to make it mandatory for children to get the vaccine. USING the emotional plea that the OP used.. basically "you are saving your kids from CANCER".

And at that time the effects of the vaccine were not really known. Sure to get FDA approval.. you need clinical trials. BUT as I have shown plenty of vaccines and medications have been removed from FDA approval when over the long term problems have been found.

It concerns me that people don't have a healthy objectivity when it comes to medications and particularly vaccines. Whats the mantra that's been stated over and over on this? .

"VACCINES ARE SAFE",.. if you don't vaccinate "YOU HAVE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS". "WE NEED TO MAKE IT MANDATORY"

that's a very dangerous attitude.. and sets up patients for problems.

The HPV vaccine in reality does not have a whole lot of benefit. Almost all sexually active adults will get HPV. Only.. a tiny fraction of them will get a cancer that could even get "linked" to HPV. (and even that's a bit questionable.. because their is a hypothesis that the reason HPV and cancer are linked is not necessarily strongly causal.. but because people that are more susceptible to cancer.. are also more susceptible to hpv) a portion will get genital warts. But remember.. almost all sexually active people will get hpv at one time or another.

BUT at the time.. the negative effects of the vaccine were not really known.. but emotion was used IT WILL KEEP YOUR KIDS FROM GETTING CANCER.. to push making it mandatory.

Now.. years later.. we know a lot more about the vaccine. And though the benefit is not huge... the benefit is still significant enough to justify the minimal risk. But only because what we know now.. (and just to say.. we still don't know completely).

That's why I have a problem with this "vaccines are safe".. "blood on your hands" etc.. the lack of objectivity when it comes to healthcare.
 
actually no we don't but thanks for your assumptions that are pretty much meaningless.

Actually yes.. you probably do or have. Assuming you are sexually active.

go ask your doctor.. he will tell you the same thing. You probably have had it and never known.

See.. its your assumption that's meaningless.
 
Actually yes.. you probably do or have. Assuming you are sexually active.

go ask your doctor.. he will tell you the same thing. You probably have had it and never known.

See.. its your assumption that's meaningless.

well since my wife and I have kids. she has been tested every time for STD's
as routine. she has none.

so there you have it. Since I don't sleep around on my wife with other women, and she has been
the only person I have ever been with you sir would be wrong again.

so next time keep your assumptions to yourself.
 
well since my wife and I have kids. she has been tested every time for STD's
as routine. she has none.

so there you have it. Since I don't sleep around on my wife with other women, and she has been
the only person I have ever been with you sir would be wrong again.

so next time keep your assumptions to yourself.

First.. there is no HPV screening test for men. Second.. for a women to show she has active HPV.. she has to have a pap smear that shows abnormal cells. She can still have HPV and have had HPV and not show up on a "STD test".

Sorry but the person making false assumptions is yourself:

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The fact is people need to just stop sleeping around with random people without protection.
then you don't have to worry about STD's.

this is a false assumption.
 
First.. there is no HPV screening test for men. Second.. for a women to show she has active HPV.. she has to have a pap smear that shows abnormal cells. She can still have HPV and have had HPV and not show up on a "STD test".

Sorry but the person making false assumptions is yourself:

LOL she has her yearly check ups still no signs of any STDs you are throwing crap into left field with nothing to support it.
keep trying though.

if you are worried about it I suggest not engaging in risky behavior. that lowers your chances a great deal.


this is a false assumption.
yes you are making a ton of them.
there are consequences for actions.

engaging in risky behavior increases those risks.

The CDC has even come out and said that the dramatic increase of STD infection is due to the hookup culture.
sleeping around with multiple partners etc ...

doctor tests and proof beat random internet poster all day long.
 
LOL she has her yearly check ups still no signs of any STDs you are throwing crap into left field with nothing to support it.
keep trying though.

if you are worried about it I suggest not engaging in risky behavior. that lowers your chances a great deal.



yes you are making a ton of them.
there are consequences for actions.

engaging in risky behavior increases those risks.

The CDC has even come out and said that the dramatic increase of STD infection is due to the hookup culture.
sleeping around with multiple partners etc ...

doctor tests and proof beat random internet poster all day long.

Sir.. only you are making the false assumptions. I have posted the medical facts regarding hpv incidence and testing.

Doctor tests and medical proof beat random internet assumptions.. all day long.

You sir have been beaten.
 
Sir.. only you are making the false assumptions. I have posted the medical facts regarding hpv incidence and testing.

Doctor tests and medical proof beat random internet assumptions.. all day long.

You sir have been beaten.

yep I have the doctors test and the proof. yep you are the random internet poster.
and yes you have been beaten.

Funny how people that don't sleep around with random people don't get STD's.
amazing how that works.

you should probably do more study on HPV.
You can only get it through sexual contact with someone that has it.

since the fact I have only been with my wife and no one else. there you have it.
 
yep I have the doctors test and the proof. yep you are the random internet poster.
and yes you have been beaten.

Funny how people that don't sleep around with random people don't get STD's.
amazing how that works.

you should probably do more study on HPV.
You can only get it through sexual contact with someone that has it.

since the fact I have only been with my wife and no one else. there you have it.


yeah.. you don't.

But whatever.. you won't listen.. and that's not surprising given your belief in your own moral superiority over medical facts. :peace
 
yeah.. you don't.

But whatever.. you won't listen.. and that's not surprising given your belief in your own moral superiority over medical facts. :peace

Yep medical fact says you can't get HPV unless you have sexual contact with someone that has it.

Yep I don't sleep around with random women so I don't get STD's I know I know hard to believe.
then again most of the people I know that don't sleep around with random women don't have STD's either.

so yes continue to ignore medical fact.

Tinder and hookup apps blamed for rise in STDs - May. 26, 2015
wow imagine that. random hook up with random people = increase in STD rates.

however you keep thinking that a married couple that do not sleep around can still get STD's.
lol so funny.

the only way to get an STD is to introduce it. since neither one of us sleeps around with other people
again she had her yearly checkups etc ...

so again I will take her tests over random internet poster.
 
Yep medical fact says you can't get HPV unless you have sexual contact with someone that has it.

Yep I don't sleep around with random women so I don't get STD's I know I know hard to believe.
then again most of the people I know that don't sleep around with random women don't have STD's either.

so yes continue to ignore medical fact.

Tinder and hookup apps blamed for rise in STDs - May. 26, 2015
wow imagine that. random hook up with random people = increase in STD rates.

however you keep thinking that a married couple that do not sleep around can still get STD's.
lol so funny.

the only way to get an STD is to introduce it. since neither one of us sleeps around with other people
again she had her yearly checkups etc ...

so again I will take her tests over random internet poster.

Like I said.. you don't understand the medical facts.

Just because you are married and don't sleep around.. doesn't mean that you cannot have had the STD and be a carrier from prior relationships. And sexual contact is a large range of activity.. not just intercourse.. or "sleeping around".

Sexual contact can be kissing on the lips. Even in a "non sexual way".

but you know more than the medical people..

There is a reason that most people get HPV over the course of their life and its not because the vast majority "sleep around with random women". :doh
 
Like I said.. you don't understand the medical facts.

your projection argument is well just that.

Just because you are married and don't sleep around.. doesn't mean that you cannot have had the STD and be a carrier from prior relationships. And sexual contact is a large range of activity.. not just intercourse.. or "sleeping around".

She si the only person I have ever been with so your assumptions are just that assumptions.

Sexual contact can be kissing on the lips. Even in a "non sexual way".

You need to read the medical website. again because the only way to get it is to touch someone's private area that already has it.
however continue to act like you know more than even the sources you are citing.

but you know more than the medical people..
There is a reason that most people get HPV over the course of their life and its not because the vast majority "sleep around with random women". :doh

Nope I just know what the medical people say about it.
again tests prove me correct and you not so much but
I am not going to go over it again.
 
your projection argument is well just that.



She si the only person I have ever been with so your assumptions are just that assumptions.



You need to read the medical website. again because the only way to get it is to touch someone's private area that already has it.
however continue to act like you know more than even the sources you are citing.



Nope I just know what the medical people say about it.
again tests prove me correct and you not so much but
I am not going to go over it again.

First..you can still get STD's from kissing.

You are wrong stating it can't occur from non genital contact.

Second.. IF either of you have ever kissed another person.. or had other sexual contact with another person/.. you could have an std.. and may not know it. Its why almost all sexual active people will get HPV in their lifetime.

And tests do not prove you correct because the tests are not sensitive enough to catch everyone with an std.

You don't know what medical people say about it.
 
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