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Marijuana DOES cause schizophrenia and triggers heart attacks, experts say in landmar

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Porkuloss said:
Probably people with a tendency towards those types of psychosis can find themselves triggered by weed. Imagine what acis would do...
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Having used both excessively, i can say with confidence that neither one seems to have been able to induce schizophrenic behavior in any meaningful way.
 
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TheGoverness said:
I'm no expert, but I'm fairly sure marijuana doesn't cause schizophrenia.

The latter option is more likely.
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Come to think of it, depending on the strain and dose, it likely counters schizophrenic symptoms.
 
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TheGoverness said:
I'm no expert, but I'm fairly sure marijuana doesn't cause schizophrenia.

The latter option is more likely.
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I can say without a doubt pot doesn't cause schizophrenia.

And so can I.
 
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matchlight said:
Can you tell us when the federal government recognized that it was legitimate to possess and use marijuana to treat the medical problems mentioned in the post you were responding to? In 2005, the Supreme Court clearly supported the Controlled Substance Act's listing of marijuana as a Schedule One substance--meaning one with no officially recognized medical use--in Gonzalez v. Raich.
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Certainly:

The Compassionate Investigational New Drug program, or Compassionate IND, is a United States Federal Government-run Investigational New Drug program established in 1978 that allows a limited number of patients to use medical marijuana grown at the University of Mississippi. It is administered by the National Institute on Drug Abuse. Closed to new entrants, there are four known surviving patients who were grandfathered into the program.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassionate_Investigational_New_Drug_program

The seminal case leading to this program was U.S. v. Randall, D.C. Superior Court, D.C. Crim. No. 65923-75 (1976).

On November 24, 1976, federal Judge James Washington ruled Randall's use of marijuana constituted a "medical necessity." Concurrent with this judicial determination, federal agencies responding to a May, 1976 petition filed by Randall, began providing this patient with licit, FDA-approved access to government supplies of medical marijuana. Randall was the first American to receive marijuana for the treatment of a medical disorder.
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Significant Legal Cases

As the timeline shows on that website, when the Feds tried to prevent access Randal brought suit in 1978 which led to a settlement creating the Compassionate IND, allowing legal access to persons enrolled in the program to Federally produced medical marijuana.

I actually found out about this a few decades ago, having encountered a person who was a program member.
 
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Abbazorkzog said:
Come to think of it, depending on the strain and dose, it likely counters schizophrenic symptoms.
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I have met people with mental health conditions like schizoaffective disorder and bipolar who use cannabis to successfully treat their condition; and I have met others who must avoid cannabis like the plague because it triggers their condition.

That's how pharmacology works. You try different medicines until you figure out the best match. You can't make blanket statements about conditions and medicines because they won't be apply to everyone. There are only statistical probabilities, not certainties. In denying the medicine to everyone you may be denying an effective treatment to some who will be left with mediocre alternatives.
 
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Northern Light said:
I have met people with mental health conditions like schizoaffective disorder and bipolar who use cannabis to successfully treat their condition; and I have met others who must avoid cannabis like the plague because it triggers their condition.

That's how pharmacology works. You try different medicines until you figure out the best match. You can't make blanket statements about conditions and medicines because they won't be apply to everyone. There are only statistical probabilities, not certainties. In denying the medicine to everyone you may be denying an affecting treatment to some.
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Hence why "MARIUANAS CAUSE SCHIZOPHRENIA" got the response from me it deserved. :)
 
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Abbazorkzog said:
Cannabis can trigger dormant schizophrenic brain patterns that were already there in the first place.

So no, marijuana does NOT cause schizophrenia. Way to continue perpetuating the structurally-racist War on Drugs.
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I'm not schizophrenic and neither am I.
 
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azgreg said:
I'm not schizophrenic and neither am I.
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Beat ya to it. Neener, neener.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
Certainly:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassionate_Investigational_New_Drug_program

The seminal case leading to this program was U.S. v. Randall, D.C. Superior Court, D.C. Crim. No. 65923-75 (1976).




Significant Legal Cases

As the timeline shows on that website, when the Feds tried to prevent access Randal brought suit in 1978 which led to a settlement creating the Compassionate IND, allowing legal access to persons enrolled in the program to Federally produced medical marijuana.

I actually found out about this a few decades ago, having encountered a person who was a program member.
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Interesting. It sounds like there are only four people in this program.
 
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American said:
Marijuana DOES cause schizophrenia and triggers heart attacks, experts say in landmark study that slams most of the drug's medical benefits as 'unproven'

Marijuana DOES cause schizophrenia and triggers heart attacks, experts say | Daily Mail Online


Study: Pot Increases Heart Attack Risks - ABC News


More controversy over pot.
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Everyone I've met who has Schizophrenia got it from smoking pot.
 
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American said:
Marijuana DOES cause schizophrenia and triggers heart attacks, experts say in landmark study that slams most of the drug's medical benefits as 'unproven'

Marijuana DOES cause schizophrenia and triggers heart attacks, experts say | Daily Mail Online


Study: Pot Increases Heart Attack Risks - ABC News


More controversy over pot.
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What kind of negative health effects are associated with being locked in a cage with violent criminals for owning a plant?
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
What kind of negative health effects are associated with being locked in a cage with violent criminals for owning a plant?
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WTF are you talking about?
 
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Porcupine said:
Everyone I've met who has Schizophrenia got it from smoking pot.
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Good for them. :)
 
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American said:
Here's my problem with people that are pushing for legal recreational use. They never seem to want any facts to come out; they don't want anything negative to be said about it. Just make it legal and STFU, that's how it looks. And of course the old refrain is always, "it's not as bad as real tobacco or alcohol....blah blah blah. Pot is completely harmless..........as harmless as fresh air".

Well I have a problem with that kind of thinking. No one complains about facts coming out about alcoholism or tobacco smoking..........not a word. But bring up pot, and all hell breaks loose.
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Please name one benefit to society delivered by marijuana prohibition. Take your time and think about it.

One benefit brought by prohibition.
 
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Thoreau72 said:
Please name one benefit to society delivered by marijuana prohibition. Take your time and think about it.

One benefit brought by prohibition.
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That's a ridiculous question, since I never made it that black and white. Did you even bother to read anything, or just do your libertarian knee-jerk reaction. Everyone knows that libertarians are the potheads on the political spectrum, so there's no rationalizing with them.
 
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American said:
That's a ridiculous question, since I never made it that black and white. Did you even bother to read anything, or just do your libertarian knee-jerk reaction. Everyone knows that libertarians are the potheads on the political spectrum, so there's no rationalizing with them.
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You were the one to bring up facts, in your post to which I replied. Sorry, I thought you were interested in facts and would be able to offer some in support of your claim against any proposed legalization. Heck, I thought you would be well-armed with facts to support your claimed position.

I guess that's what I get for thinking, eh? ;) Live and learn about posters.....
 
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Thoreau72 said:
You were the one to bring up facts, in your post to which I replied. Sorry, I thought you were interested in facts and would be able to offer some in support of your claim against any proposed legalization. Heck, I thought you would be well-armed with facts to support your claimed position.

I guess that's what I get for thinking, eh? ;) Live and learn about posters.....
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I posted an article supported by a study. You have failed to argue against the study.
 
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American said:
I posted an article supported by a study. You have failed to argue against the study.
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True, but other posters here have pointed out the details of the study, and I have agreed with them. The study is essentially an apology for current marijuana policy of prohibition. Is that too subtle for you?
 
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Absentglare said:
I'm still not convinced. Does marijuana cause schizophrenia? Or are schizophrenics more prone to marijuana use?

The only way i can imagine that they could honestly evaluate that is with a long-term, double blind study that i consider unfeasible (and perhaps unethical).
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I think if we see a sudden uptick in schizophrenia in Colorado in the next 10 years, a pretty solid correlation can be made between the two variables.
 
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American said:
WTF are you talking about?
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The question was pretty straightforward. Being locked in a cage with violent criminals has health effects a thousand times more damaging than consuming cannabis. There's no rational reason or benefit to society to the drug war and even if cannabis were the most dangerous substance in the world locking people in cages doesn't help them or society.

American said:
That's a ridiculous question, since I never made it that black and white. Did you even bother to read anything, or just do your libertarian knee-jerk reaction. Everyone knows that libertarians are the potheads on the political spectrum, so there's no rationalizing with them.
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That's funny considering you used to label yourself as a libertarian. I guess you gave it up when you became a social conservative and stopped valuing personal liberty.
 
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