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Obama tells Democrats: 'Don't rescue' Republicans on 'Trumpcare'

It is the reality. Obamacare has helped prop up the insurance market, insurance companies, crap hospitals and created tons of jobs in the insurance industry. Dropping it will have an economic cost. Like entitlements, it is easy to say you want to end it, but hard as heck to do without it. The bottom line is that government money (taxpayer and otherwise) helps hold together the economy. Right now I think it is 33% of every dollar in the country. So yeah, the Republican mantra sounds great: Drastically reduce spending, cut government....but that would cripple corporate America, dramatically increase unemployment and hurt the country. Most political cries are nothing but bullcrap, on the left and on the right! The average president wants to hold things together during his time in office, and keep growth going. That's why these ideas are nothing but lies, and Trump wants a 1 trillion dollar package - day one! Reality is no joke!

Chris
 
Fletch said:
So Obama and democrats aren't going to help solve Americas health care nightmare. That's a smart approach. :roll:
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That strategy seems to have worked out quite well for the Republicans.
 
pms19650 said:
It is the reality. Obamacare has helped prop up the insurance market, insurance companies, crap hospitals and created tons of jobs in the insurance industry. Dropping it will have an economic cost. Like entitlements, it is easy to say you want to end it, but hard as heck to do without it. The bottom line is that government money (taxpayer and otherwise) helps hold together the economy. Right now I think it is 33% of every dollar in the country. So yeah, the Republican mantra sounds great: Drastically reduce spending, cut government....but that would cripple corporate America, dramatically increase unemployment and hurt the country. Most political cries are nothing but bullcrap, on the left and on the right! The average president wants to hold things together during his time in office, and keep growth going. That's why these ideas are nothing but lies, and Trump wants a 1 trillion dollar package - day one! Reality is no joke!

Chris
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Yep. If the GOP repeal it and leave a void, there will be hell to pay. And, I cannot wait to see that happen. :popcorn:
 
calamity said:
Yep. If the GOP repeal it and leave a void, there will be hell to pay. And, I cannot wait to see that happen. :popcorn:
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Rooting for disaster.....longing for chaos....haven't we had enough of that with the GOP?


Lachesism
 
calamity said:
Yep. If the GOP repeal it and leave a void, there will be hell to pay. And, I cannot wait to see that happen. :popcorn:
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Moot said:
Rooting for disaster.....longing for chaos....haven't we had enough of that with the GOP?


Lachesism
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I agree. Rooting for failure here is like hoping the pilot crashes the plane you're in.
 
pms19650 said:
It is the reality. Obamacare has helped prop up the insurance market, insurance companies, crap hospitals and created tons of jobs in the insurance industry. Dropping it will have an economic cost. Like entitlements, it is easy to say you want to end it, but hard as heck to do without it. The bottom line is that government money (taxpayer and otherwise) helps hold together the economy. Right now I think it is 33% of every dollar in the country. So yeah, the Republican mantra sounds great: Drastically reduce spending, cut government....but that would cripple corporate America, dramatically increase unemployment and hurt the country. Most political cries are nothing but bullcrap, on the left and on the right! The average president wants to hold things together during his time in office, and keep growth going. That's why these ideas are nothing but lies, and Trump wants a 1 trillion dollar package - day one! Reality is no joke!

Chris
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what's the 'other' government money?
 
pms19650 said:
It is the reality. Obamacare has helped prop up the insurance market, insurance companies, crap hospitals and created tons of jobs in the insurance industry. Dropping it will have an economic cost. Like entitlements, it is easy to say you want to end it, but hard as heck to do without it. The bottom line is that government money (taxpayer and otherwise) helps hold together the economy. Right now I think it is 33% of every dollar in the country. So yeah, the Republican mantra sounds great: Drastically reduce spending, cut government....but that would cripple corporate America, dramatically increase unemployment and hurt the country. Most political cries are nothing but bullcrap, on the left and on the right! The average president wants to hold things together during his time in office, and keep growth going. That's why these ideas are nothing but lies, and Trump wants a 1 trillion dollar package - day one! Reality is no joke!

Chris
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You are right. Obama made a real mess and it that is already costing us and will get worse no matter. There is no simple way out of the tight place he's landed us in, while the costs to government continue to climb.
 
azgreg said:
I agree. Rooting for failure here is like hoping the pilot crashes the plane you're in.
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It needs simplification and reorientation plus a set of surrounding legislation and/or enforcement concerning liability of debts for treatment. It is just not certain that Aca needs to be repealed. Maybe parts could be salvaged.
 
calamity said:
Yep. If the GOP repeal it and leave a void, there will be hell to pay. And, I cannot wait to see that happen. :popcorn:
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It will be replaced with something. The main problem is that people do not want to pay for the costs of health care. It is costly to have about the best medical science and technology in the world. That leads to all sorts of problems, when people want more than the can afford.
 
calamity said:
Where was this guy for 8 years?

Obama tells Democrats: 'Don't rescue' GOP on 'Trumpcare' - CNNPolitics.com

Oh well, if this is a sign of things to come, I certainly welcome his shadow presidency for the next four of them.
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You know calamity.. when you get right down to it.. there probably is little cost at all to the republican party to getting rid of Obamacare and failing to replace it.

The vast vast vast majority of americans have healthcare insurance either through their employer.. or through medicare.

the rest of America had insurance were buying insurance on their own.. and probably paying less for it.

then there was a small minority of americans that did not have insurance that got helped by the ACA either through subsidy. or expansion of Medicaid.

BUT.. most of that group wasn't really sick. Heck.. its how they went without insurance BEFORE the ACA.. just a few years ago really. not even a decade ago.

so honestly.. I think that the republicans can repeal the whole thing.. and really take little fall out from it.
 
jaeger19 said:
You know calamity.. when you get right down to it.. there probably is little cost at all to the republican party to getting rid of Obamacare and failing to replace it.

The vast vast vast majority of americans have healthcare insurance either through their employer.. or through medicare.

the rest of America had insurance were buying insurance on their own.. and probably paying less for it.

then there was a small minority of americans that did not have insurance that got helped by the ACA either through subsidy. or expansion of Medicaid.

BUT.. most of that group wasn't really sick. Heck.. its how they went without insurance BEFORE the ACA.. just a few years ago really. not even a decade ago.

so honestly.. I think that the republicans can repeal the whole thing.. and really take little fall out from it.
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That certainly was the calculus when they promised to repeal it. But, it seems now there appears to be some concern, especially from the Tweeter in Chief.

http://thedailybanter.com/2017/01/trump-cannot-repeal-obamacare/

While Trump should never be taken at his word (particularly on twitter), his last statement that "It will fall of its own weight" is an indication he plans to do absolutely nothing about Obamacare once in office. In every scenario you can imagine, repealing the ACA is politically toxic for Trump and the GOP.

Should they repeal the ACA with no real alternative, Republicans would have hell to pay in the midterms in 2018. If they wait till 2018 to get rid of it with whatever back up plan they come up with, the risk is again far to high given Trump will have to start running for re-election the following year. Any GOP backed plan will be devastating to the poor, and Trump needs them if he wants any chance of getting re-elected in 2020.
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sookster said:
Why do you guys hate Obamacare?
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Because they don't understand that it is an idea hatched by the Heritage Foundation and believe Obama dreamed it up in Kenya with the help of George Soros. Isn't that obvious?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Notice how fine he is with America suffering if he cant get his way.

That is how PRICK EXTRAORDINAIRES roll.
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Since the pricks on the Right started that ball rolling, "No." He's saying exactly what I would say, "If those geniuses think they can do better, let them figure it out on their own."
 
Fletch said:
So Obama and democrats aren't going to help solve Americas health care nightmare. That's a smart approach. :roll:
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The corrupt GOP house has repealed but not replaced for six years.

Where is replace ?
 
Fletch said:
So Obama and democrats aren't going to help solve Americas health care nightmare. That's a smart approach. :roll:
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Why would they help fix it. It took all they had to pass it and screw it up. They didn't want any help, discussion or debate when they passed it. They had to pass it to find out what was in it.
 
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For lack of a better term, the ACA is a poison pill that can't simply be washed away. There has already been too much disruption of the insurance market, with many companies abandoning healthcare insurance and turning this thing around would be like trying to steer the Titanic away from an approaching iceberg.

Considering Americans general lack of concern about their humungous debt, what should have happened in the first place was a simple expansion of your Medicaid system, expanding the eligibility parameters, to capture far more of the millions of working poor and lower middle class who can't afford basic healthcare insurance on their own. It would cost your government 100s of $billions, but you guys wash down the drain those amounts on an annual basis anyway. Why not spend it on something important. Then, as before, those who could afford the insurance and liked their coverage could continue on their merry way. People bitched a bit about the cost, but I saw reference to upwards of 80% being happy with their pre-ACA coverage - that's pretty damn good, in my books.

Anyway, I wish you guys luck. Unlike President Obama, I don't care who gets credit for what and which party or particular politicians get their name attached to it. Don't let a petty, little thin skinned man like Obama get in the way of fixing the mess he's left behind and I sure hope Democrats, who seem to seriously want government involvement in the healthcare system, get behind a serious look at making things better for all Americans. Healthcare is too important to be used as a political football and with Obama gone and his threatened vetoes of anything touching the ACA, there's a good chance to make changes now.
 
calamity said:
Since the pricks on the Right started that ball rolling, "No." He's saying exactly what I would say, "If those geniuses think they can do better, let them figure it out on their own."
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I think you(F) stuff it because America needs you(F) to stuff it.

Some things are more important than exercising our peevishness.

A lot of things actually.
 
calamity said:
Yep. If the GOP repeal it and leave a void, there will be hell to pay. And, I cannot wait to see that happen. :popcorn:
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Really, I disagree, most who are on it are losers with little motivation. ( I know there is some real hardship cases) I'm sick of paying for all the takers as I am highly motivated and am penalized at every turn. My rates have tripled in the last 3 years!!! I think there is a whole lot like me out there.

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Partsguy57 said:
Really, I disagree, most who are on it are losers with little motivation. ( I know there is some real hardship cases) I'm sick of paying for all the takers as I am highly motivated and am penalized at every turn. My rates have tripled in the last 3 years!!! I think there is a whole lot like me out there.

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But the real Takers are the people you just elected. But I understand that you haven't figured that out yet.
 
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