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Little-known Illness tied to Smoking Weed on the Rise [W:43]

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Fruityfact said:
Exactly, so GTFO out of people's lives conservative limited government my a....
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Thanks, however I will continue to advocate against legalizing weed for recreational purposed.
 
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_Sal said:
so it equates to alcohol poisoning?
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Yes it does. So what's your plan? legalize everything for recreational use? DUIs related to alcohol are problem enough. Should we quadruple that?
 
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ObamacareFail said:
Yes it does. So what's your plan? legalize everything for recreational use? DUIs related to alcohol are problem enough. Should we quadruple that?
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yes I would legalize everything for recreational use

DUI's are a problem, people who drive while under the influence do so now regardless of the legality of the substance

as for quadrupling that...you pulled that out of your butt thus it is an emotional reaction and completely irrational with zero facts to back it

it reduces your argument to zero
 
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ObamacareFail said:
No...Aspirin does not get people high . Weed does. That why there is not an aspirin addiction problem, however there is an addiction problem related to weed.
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yeah, not really. pot is one of the least addictive drugs, and marijuana prohibition is a complete waste of time. states are accepting that one by one. i doubt that the country is going to take a step backwards on this one.
 
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truthatallcost said:
Any medical professionals here want to take a stab at what causes CHS? Have you come across this, or experienced it?

Thoughts?
Comments?
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I would imagine even with weed being generally safer than liquor, it still might have small amounts of toxins in it, which normally would not hurt anyone, but in constant and chronic use might reach enough levels to cause sickness.

Think of it like nicotine which is still far more dangerous than weed, smoke a cigarette might get a headrush, chainsmoke a pack of em you might get really sick and have your face turn green.
 
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_Sal said:
yes I would legalize everything for recreational use

DUI's are a problem, people who drive while under the influence do so now regardless of the legality of the substance

as for quadrupling that...you pulled that out of your butt thus it is an emotional reaction and completely irrational with zero facts to back it

it reduces your argument to zero
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Actually quadrupling is only a modest prediction. If we were to legalize all illicit drugs for recreational use, in effect removing all taboos we would increase the problem ten fold or more. We would also end up reducing the effectiveness of many medicinal drugs when they are actually needed for medicinal purposes. at least to those who use them recreationally.
 
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ObamacareFail said:
Actually quadrupling is only a modest prediction. If we were to legalize all illicit drugs for recreational use, in effect removing all taboos we would increase the problem ten fold or more. We would also end up reducing the effectiveness of many medicinal drugs when they are actually needed for medicinal purposes. at least to those who use them recreationally.
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I am against protecting people from themselves.

The amount of prescription drug use in the first world is mountainous...until we address the issues behind them they will continue...making drugs illegal does not prevent their abuse obviously since we have a major problem

prohibition didn't work, and neither does the war on drugs it just creates bigger problems
 
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_Sal said:
I am against protecting people from themselves.

The amount of prescription drug use in the first world is mountainous...until we address the issues behind them they will continue...making drugs illegal does not prevent their abuse obviously since we have a major problem

prohibition didn't work, and neither does the war on drugs it just creates bigger problems
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It's not just protecting people from themselves, it is protecting others from drug abusers. The vast majority of violent crime in the US is related to drug abuse.
 
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ObamacareFail said:
It's not just protecting people from themselves, it is protecting others from drug abusers. The vast majority of violent crime in the US is related to drug abuse.
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agreed

and in my country too which is why it needs to be decriminalized and the source of money for the gangs would dry up

it's a whole culture that is connected and interwoven, drugs, violence, prostitution...get rid of it...clean house

drug addiction needs to be addressed it can't be in the manner we are doing, it only grows, we are not succeeding thus we need to change tactics just like prohibition
 
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_Sal said:
agreed

and in my country too which is why it needs to be decriminalized and the source of money for the gangs would dry up

it's a whole culture that is connected and interwoven, drugs, violence, prostitution...get rid of it...clean house

drug addiction needs to be addressed it can't be in the manner we are doing, it only grows, we are not succeeding thus we need to change tactics just like prohibition
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Legalizing recreational will not solve the violence issue. The drug related violence is a matter of feeding the habit or keeping your house or car after the drug habit leads you to lose your job or source of income as a result of the drug habit. The same goes with some who abuse alcohol. And drugs are already legal for their intended medicinal purpose. As for prostitution, last time I checked, sex is still legal as long as it's consensual. Some just want to take shortcuts and avoid the romance. As for addressing drug addiction, I agree...however legalization for recreational use would be permanently spinning our wheels by created many more addicts.
 
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ObamacareFail said:
Legalizing recreational will not solve the violence issue. The drug related violence is a matter of feeding the habit or keeping your house or car after the drug habit leads you to lose your job or source of income as a result of the drug habit. The same goes with some who abuse alcohol. And drugs are already legal for their intended medicinal purpose. As for prostitution, last time I checked, sex is still legal as long as it's consensual. Some just want to take shortcuts and avoid the romance. As for addressing drug addiction, I agree...however legalization for recreational use would be permanently spinning our wheels by created many more addicts.
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for the most part I can see where you are coming from

the place where we part is our belief in whether or not legalization would increase use and also addiction

to me prohibition did limit some people from drinking...since it was against the law some people who might have drank did not, however was there less alcoholism during prohibition...no, but it certainly did increase the violence around acquiring it

today do more people drink... yes

are there more alcoholics... no

people are genetically pre-disposed to addiction
 
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_Sal said:
for the most part I can see where you are coming from

the place where we part is our belief in whether or not legalization would increase use and also addiction

to me prohibition did limit some people from drinking...since it was against the law some people who might have drank did not, however was there less alcoholism during prohibition...no, but it certainly did increase the violence around acquiring it

today do more people drink... yes

are there more alcoholics... no

people are genetically pre-disposed to addiction
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I do not accept the comparisons to prohibition. Alcohol has always been recreational. And attempting to illegalize something that can be made from fermented organic matter never stood a chance. We can agree or disagree in regard to marijuana. It's a damn weed. Personally I think smoking it is insanely stupid and harmful. Legalizing existing medicinal drugs for recreational use would be taking stupid to a new level. Not only would we be creating many more addicts, many would be self medicating themselves to the point of dangerously risking their health.
 
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ObamacareFail said:
I do not accept the comparisons to prohibition. Alcohol has always been recreational. And attempting to illegalize something that can be made from fermented organic matter never stood a chance. We can agree or disagree in regard to marijuana. It's a damn weed. Personally I think smoking it is insanely stupid and harmful. Legalizing existing medicinal drugs for recreational use would be taking stupid to a new level. Not only would we be creating many more addicts, many would be self medicating themselves to the point of dangerously risking their health.
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Where are the data from Colorado that document your assertions above? Please post your sources.
 
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I'm still curious as to what causes this. Do we have an answer? Is there something we don't know about weed? Or maybe how it was grown?


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ObamacareFail said:
Actually quadrupling is only a modest prediction. If we were to legalize all illicit drugs for recreational use, in effect removing all taboos we would increase the problem ten fold or more. We would also end up reducing the effectiveness of many medicinal drugs when they are actually needed for medicinal purposes. at least to those who use them recreationally.
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The thread is about cannabis and you at times are talking about all drugs, as above. You're all over the place. Are you talking above about marijuana when you say "quadrupling" and "ten fold or more" or are you talking about all drugs?

Where are you getting your data for "quadruple" and "ten fold or more"? Please provide sources so that we all may have your knowledge. Without it your posts are just meaningless ass talk.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Folks, there's all kinds of threads to focus on decriminalization, prohibition, and other such things. This one is in the Health Care section and is related to it's possible ties with an illness. Let's try to focus the conversation a bit more onto the topic and things relating to it from a health aspect. If you want to debate the merits of legalization/criminalization, how about doing that in one of the multitude of other threads in other sections. Thanks
 
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ObamacareFail said:
I do not accept the comparisons to prohibition. Alcohol has always been recreational. And attempting to illegalize something that can be made from fermented organic matter never stood a chance. We can agree or disagree in regard to marijuana. It's a damn weed. Personally I think smoking it is insanely stupid and harmful. Legalizing existing medicinal drugs for recreational use would be taking stupid to a new level. Not only would we be creating many more addicts, many would be self medicating themselves to the point of dangerously risking their health.
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unfortunately they already are:
It kills more people than car accidents every year. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) classified it as an epidemic and the World Health Organization (WHO) reported it threatened the achievements of modern medicine.

Prescription drug abuse is a global problem, and the U.S. is the world’s biggest addict.

Americans account for 99 percent of the world’s hydrocodone (Vicodin) consumption, 80 percent of the world’s oxycodone (Percocet and Oxycontin) consumption and 65 percent of the world’s hydromorphone (Dilaudid) consumption, according to the New York Times.
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it's already an epidemic

your solution doesn't work
 
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Zyphlin said:
Moderator's Warning:
Folks, there's all kinds of threads to focus on decriminalization, prohibition, and other such things. This one is in the Health Care section and is related to it's possible ties with an illness. Let's try to focus the conversation a bit more onto the topic and things relating to it from a health aspect. If you want to debate the merits of legalization/criminalization, how about doing that in one of the multitude of other threads in other sections. Thanks
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fair enough

we wandered, but civilly :peace

I'm out
 
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blackjack50 said:
I'm still curious as to what causes this. Do we have an answer? Is there something we don't know about weed? Or maybe how it was grown?


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It is ironic that the Feds won't reschedule cannabis to at least Class ll so that it can be properly researched. There are so many variables I doubt anyone has an answer. Is this issue a major concern? Is it even large enough to warrant major concern? Chronic consumption of many things will cause unwanted side effects.

I once had an employee who discovered that lentils, kale, onions and garlic in certain amounts and frequencies caused her to have extreme nausea and/or severe bouts of diarrhea. Turns out after many tests and consultations that she had low tolerance levels for these and few other vegetable. There was even a specific condition and medical explanation.

Not all things are good for all people all the time. That cannabis might not be good for all people all the time shouldn't be surprising.
 
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Helix said:
i don't actually advocate kicking in doors and shooting dogs to prevent Advil abuse. i'm pointing out that the war on pot is just as ****ing stupid.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
truthatallcost said:
Any medical professionals here want to take a stab at what causes CHS? Have you come across this, or experienced it?

Thoughts?
Comments?
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I've not heard of this before, but I would guess that it probably has something to do with long term downregulation of cannabinoid receptors, causing a low threshold for nausea.

THC stimulates cannabinoid receptors in the brain, and this has an anti-nausea effect. With long term use, I could see those receptors basically dropping in number over time, and minor stimuli ends up causing nausea and vomiting.

It might be a syndrome similar to alcohol or opiate withdrawal - a physical dependence upon the drug. Since I've never even heard of it, and that physical dependence isn't generally seen with marijuana, it might be only happening in a subset of heavy long term smokers.

This is all pretty much just an educated guess though - I haven't read anything on it.
 
truthatallcost said:
Any medical professionals here want to take a stab at what causes CHS? Have you come across this, or experienced it?

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Comments?
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Just a guess. But you know how weed gives you cottonmouth? Well, maybe it depletes enough moisture in the system to bring on dehydration too, especially if someone does not take in enough fluids or smokes the **** like cigarettes.
 
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